Commendations Changes - The Numbers

  • Auxbr0
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    I posted this on the subreddit so I figured I'd repost the information to the forums.

    (These are Grade V with the title unlock)

    Gold Hoarders

    "Golden Voyager"

    • Old: 500 voyages
    • New: 250 voyages

    "Hoarder of the Barnacled Gold"

    • Old: 1000 shipwrecked chests sold
    • New: 300 shipwrecked chests sold

    "Hoarder of Grog Soaked Gold"

    • Old: 700 grog chests sold
    • New: 100 grog chests sold

    "Hoarder of Lost Artefacts"

    • Old: 1000 artefacts sold
    • New: 450 artefacts sold

    "Hoarder of the Captain's Gold"

    • Old: 1000 captains chests sold
    • New: 360 captains chests sold

    "Hoarder of the Castaway's Gold"

    • Old: 1000 castaway's chests sold
    • New: 90 castaway's chests sold

    "Hoarder of the Marauder's Gold"

    • Old: 1000 marauder's chests sold
    • New: 270 marauder's chests sold

    "Hoarder of the Seafarer's Gold"

    • Old: 1000 seafarer's chests sold
    • New: 180 seafarer's chests sold

    "Hoarder of Treasured Tears"

    • Old: 700 chests of sorrow sold
    • New: 100 chests of sorrow sold

    Merchant Alliance

    "Black Powder Merchant"

    • Old: 1000 gunpowder kegs delivered on time
    • New: 100 gunpowder kegs delivered on time

    "Cast Iron Merchant"

    • Old: 1000 cannonball crates delivered on time
    • New: 50 cannonball crates delivered on time

    "Merchant Forager"

    • Old: 1000 banana crates delivered on time
    • New 50 banana crates delivered on time

    "Merchant of the Grand Fauna"

    • Old: 700 golden animals delivered on time
    • New 200 golden animals delivered on time

    "Merchant of the Dawn Caller"

    • Old: 1000 chickens delivered on time
    • New: 200 chickens delivered on time

    "Merchant of the Serpents Scale"

    • Old: 1000 snakes delivered on time
    • New: 200 snakes delivered on time

    "Merchant of the Wild Hog"

    • Old: 1000 pigs delivered on time
    • New: 200 pigs delivered on time

    "Merchant Shipwright"

    • Old: 1000 wood crates delivered on time
    • New: 50 wood crates delivered on time

    "Merchant Voyager"

    • Old: 500 merchant voyages completed
    • New: 250 merchant voyages completed

    Order of Souls

    "Hunter of Cursed Crews"

    • Old: 1,000 skeleton crews defeated
    • New: 180 skeleton crews defeated

    "Hunter of Fort Skulls"

    • Old: 500 skeleton fort skulls sold
    • New: 60 skeleton fort skulls sold

    "Hunter of Hateful Skulls"

    • Old: 1000 hateful skulls sold
    • New: 270 hateful skulls sold

    "Hunter of Villainous Skulls"

    • Old: 1000 villainous skulls sold
    • New: 360 villainous skulls sold

    "Hunter of Disgraced Skulls"

    • Old: 1000 disgraced skulls sold
    • New: 180 disgraced skulls sold

    "Hunter of Foul Skulls"

    • Old: 1000 foul skulls sold
    • New: 90 foul skulls sold

    "Raider of Cursed Strongholds"

    • Old: 500 skeleton forts cleared
    • New: 120 skeleton forts cleared
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  • FeaturingTurtle
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    @auxbr0 thanks for posting these to read in list form. Much easier to read than going to each in the game individually.

    It's a great change!

  • fluidsc
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    yet another change to the game to pander to casuals... why are people so impatient about "getting things"?

  • PomalotacusMk3
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    @aod-fluid said in Commendations Changes - The Numbers:

    yet another change to the game to pander to casuals... why are people so impatient about "getting things"?

    instant gratification generation.
    'I want it NOW , daddy.'
    *Stamps feet on floor and/or throws toys out of pram.
    *

  • KING DEKA
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    @aod-fluid sagte in Commendations Changes - The Numbers:

    yet another change to the game to pander to casuals... why are people so impatient about "getting things"?

    You don’t get it, I’m playing since release I sold 5 Chests of Sorrow and I’m 39/38/42/3 how long I need to 700?? Think about it and stop complaining and crying!

  • EGGamer13
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    @king-deka No, casual players need to stop complaining. This game is NOT for casual people. This game if you want to get all commendations, reach PL AT. 10 you need a TON of hours. Now, this is stupid. It doesn't make sense. Before it was a challenge to get those commendations, and it was a good objective for those who want to have SoT 100%.

  • FishSt1ck
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    @pomalotacusmk3 said in Commendations Changes - The Numbers:

    @aod-fluid said in Commendations Changes - The Numbers:

    yet another change to the game to pander to casuals... why are people so impatient about "getting things"?

    instant gratification generation.
    'I want it NOW , daddy.'
    *Stamps feet on floor and/or throws toys out of pram.

    The last part seems to be the way you react too. I can understand that if you actively worked on reaching this and therefore grinded a lot of hours on getting this, it's a hard pill to swallow. What I don't understand is people that can only find gratification when other people don't have something, everything about this is invisible to others. How does reducing the mindless grind, making the banner pop more often and reaching grade V within the realm of possility for more people dimish your accomplishment?

    Rare stated that these were looked at after the outcry for changes on the banana crate situation, after that they looked at the numbers and saw only a small number of people got grade V or got close to it. They stated these commendations were a added to be unlocked along the way to PL, not a thing you had to grind a 1000h for after reaching PL. I believe @Auxbr0 posted that more commendations for after PL will be added soon.

  • British Legends
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    @auxbr0 Much appreciated list buddy!

  • Da German420
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    it takes still a longtime to get this commendations,thats not casual.and btw that game is everyone

  • GreenCamillion1
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    Well it have been said, but this just means for me, that I'm almost done with most of the commendation. an have no more to play for in-game.

    For some of my other crew member that have gotten 1000, seafarer, marauder an captain, this update/adjustment is a real slap in the face.

    Don't understand the rush, I like the commendation at 1000.
    cause SoT is far from being done, an IF this game is truly successful??? then you will be playing it years to come, an will at some point have unlock it all.

  • fluidsc
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    @king-deka said in Commendations Changes - The Numbers:

    @aod-fluid sagte in Commendations Changes - The Numbers:

    yet another change to the game to pander to casuals... why are people so impatient about "getting things"?

    You don’t get it, I’m playing since release I sold 5 Chests of Sorrow and I’m 39/38/42/3 how long I need to 700?? Think about it and stop complaining and crying!

    i absolutely get it... im athena's 10, and have played since the game was released...and have released a hell of a lot more than 5*chest of sorrow. that is what "pandering to casuals" is...

    in other words: ACHIEVEMENTS SHOULD BE JUST THAT... ACHIEVEMENTS

  • William Flint
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    @aod-fluid Personally, Ive always found achievement hunting to be baffling. If a game is enjoyable I play it for the enjoyment. If its not enjoyable enough to play for its own sake than no bauble or title is going to make me keep playing to "100%". Others are of course free to enjoy games however they want, I mearly mention this to say I dont care one way or the other what the achievements are, so I believe I am fairly unbiased.

    Which brings me to my point. I am not convinced that anyone is being fair to Rare. I believe there is a lack or umderstanding as to what kind of game Rare has attempted to create: a game in which the point is the enjoyment of being in the moment of sailing the seas as a pirate. Unfortunately most people are too programmed by other games to focus on leveling up, aquiring equipment, and achievement hunting to appreciate this. So Sea of Thieves is getting hammered by players and more importantly in REVIEWS for not having enough content, and specifically for having achievements that are too hard to reach. So Rare is attempting to adress those complaints, and while I think they are rushing content too much, I do believe we should make allowences for the amount of pressure they must be under, and have faith that the problems that arise will be delt with.

    The only group I think Rare has actually done wrong are (as much as I think they are entitled pains) Pirate Legends. Rare did explicitly state that legend as the real beggining of the game, and has yet to deliver. Though I am far from being a legend myself, I do hope that once Cursed Sails comes out and adds a new area to the map, the next major content update is tailord towards fulfilling promises to legends.

  • KnifeLife
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    @eggamer13 This game is designed to appeal to a variety of game styles. Read the reply they made on Reddit about the reasoning why they changed them. They are now in line with exactly what the original purpose of them was for.

  • Admiral RRRSole

    I think that the degree of difficulty in achievements are a personal decision.
    If you think a particular achievement is unreasonably high, then don't go for it, do something else. It's that simple. Nobody is forced to do them.
    One day the pop-up achievement notification will come as a pleasant surprise regardless of what sort of a day you've been having.

    If you don't have the game time due to commitments then that's life, your life.
    Why should the game and it's dedicated players revolve around any short term or part-time casual?
    I don't see any successful business operating in this manner.

    Everything they have ever "tweaked" has been done with a heavy handed overkill extremity or such a light-handed delicate buff that nobody notices. They're aimlessly, throwing pasta at the wall to see what sticks (a.k.a. "clueless").

    Rare initially had vision for this to be an on-going game for many years to come but between short-term timed events and now moving the hard to reach achievements into the kiddies pool it shows a confused group of nonprofessionals clutching at straws.

    They would earn more respect as professionals if they stuck to their guns in every decision, good or bad, instead of using public media as the remote control for the game's direction.

    They have a pioneer program of seasoned players for exactly this purpose, test and report feedback. If they paid attention to these dedicated people, polled any future plans before hand and only responded to the pioneer feedback we'd be a lot further along the road to a successful game with far less hold-ups, server crashes, rollbacks and tweaks.

  • William Flint
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    @admiral-rrrsole I dont necessarily disagree with you. Unfortunately seasond playeres are not going to buy the game again. And if Sea of Thieves keeps getting hammered in gaming publication reviews, including explicit complaints about the harder achievements, and Rare ignores it, the game is not going to survive in the long term.

  • Biter Wylie
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    @king-deka said in Commendations Changes - The Numbers:

    @aod-fluid sagte in Commendations Changes - The Numbers:

    yet another change to the game to pander to casuals... why are people so impatient about "getting things"?

    You don’t get it, I’m playing since release I sold 5 Chests of Sorrow and I’m 39/38/42/3 how long I need to 700?? Think about it and stop complaining and crying!

    Been playing since launch... 45/46/46 and I had I think 2 out of 1000 Grog Chest!

  • Admiral RRRSole

    @william-flint I can understand that however wouldn't it be logical to simply add the lower achievements as a stepping stone or a rung on the ladder?
    In cae anyone missed it, I said add, not replace.

    Sometimes there is a way to please all of the people all of the time. :o)

  • fluidsc
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    @william-flint said in Commendations Changes - The Numbers:

    @admiral-rrrsole I dont necessarily disagree with you. Unfortunately seasond playeres are not going to buy the game again. And if Sea of Thieves keeps getting hammered in gaming publication reviews, including explicit complaints about the harder achievements, and Rare ignores it, the game is not going to survive in the long term.

    Maybe they should not break 10 new things every time they try and fix one or introduce a new feature. Drop the pandering and go back to their original roadmap -- that might help...

    No one has spoken out for this game more than me that I can think of...and I have lost almost all interest in this game this week. So tired of the sloppy patches. So tired of hearing "this is fixed" to find it not fixed within 5 minutes.

    I fought for them, I am done fighting for them.

  • Vaca Hombre
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    It's kinda funny, I forgot about commendations pretty quickly, but I can remember my initial reaction to them was along the lines of "hmph; that's a bit if a blatant way to try and stretch play times".

    I sorta viewed them lowering the numbers as a less extreme version of, let's say, dropping the store features from Shadow of War.

    Not the same thing, of course; but similar in the "yeah sorry; that was silly of us" kinda thing.

    Obviously others feel differently, but those were just my own initial reactions.

  • Crimsonraziel
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    @eggamer13 said in Commendations Changes - The Numbers:

    @king-deka No, casual players need to stop complaining. This game is NOT for casual people. This game if you want to get all commendations, reach PL AT. 10 you need a TON of hours. Now, this is stupid. It doesn't make sense. Before it was a challenge to get those commendations, and it was a good objective for those who want to have SoT 100%.

    The Xbox achievements didn't change. Those who want to go for it still can …

  • GreenCamillion1
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    also think they should go back to their own road-map, an only listen to burning topics, small changes idea's are good, but nothing they have to focus on right now.

    Even think that the deadline for each update is to early/close to each other, I like new content, but not at the cost of "5" thinks breaking, an would rather have them spend 2-4 more weeks on each major update.

    Think that using manpower on STUPID change like this, is a waste of resources, an they will soon run out of planks, to fix it.

    now they have us talking about this topic, an it would again be a stupid waste of manpower to just change it back again, for it to be change again, an again.
    Take a STAND how you want you game to be, an stop listen to every little complaint.

  • KattTruewalker
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    @auxbr0

    Thanks for taking the time to post this list - I hadn't really even begun to look at commendations in game, just acquiring them organically as I go but what surprises me here is the lack of round numbers - from 1000 to 270, from 1000 to 90??
    Just seems a strange choice of new totals.

  • Schwammlgott
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    @crimsonraziel sagte in Commendations Changes - The Numbers:

    @eggamer13 said in Commendations Changes - The Numbers:

    @king-deka No, casual players need to stop complaining. This game is NOT for casual people. This game if you want to get all commendations, reach PL AT. 10 you need a TON of hours. Now, this is stupid. It doesn't make sense. Before it was a challenge to get those commendations, and it was a good objective for those who want to have SoT 100%.

    The Xbox achievements didn't change. Those who want to go for it still can …

    Yes...but why they didn't change it, I got the title, but not the achievement
    Or will it be changed? Someone knows?

  • Crimsonraziel
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    @schwammlgott Xbox achievements are not only a Rare thing but a Microsoft thing too. Maybe they decided it isn't worth it. After all lowering the numbers might be a bigger problem with people that crossed the new threshold than it is within the game itself. Maybe MS insists on it. I think the only ones who do know are Rare employees and MS staff.
    Wouldn't expect an answer.

  • snikefriend
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    Surely time is needed to change the achievements as they have to talk with the Xbox Platform team and they have certain rules towards achievements and changes regarding them. But it would be nice to know if Rare is working on it or not.

    Regarding the commendation changes, I sympathise with those affected and believe that they shouldn't change the commendations since people have put their time and effort towards them. However, the achievements should be changed 100% . There are people that like to complete their games and you can't require for them to play the game for 1000000 hours for completion. Sure you can go ahead and say "don't play the game" but it's a really great game and it would be a shame to keep people away from it. If they only change the achievements then people can keep their commendations and show that they have really played this game A LOT, and achievement hunters can have their achievements and the game completion.

  • Trickrrrtreat
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    I was 150/250 Skull Forts. Now it says I am 59/60
    RIP Sea of Thieves. This game belongs in Davey Jones locker along with all the ships me and my crew sunk getting those Skull Forts cleared.

  • Schwammlgott
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    @trickrtreat01 sagte in Commendations Changes - The Numbers:

    I was 150/250 Skull Forts. Now it says I am 59/60
    RIP Sea of Thieves. This game belongs in Davey Jones locker along with all the ships me and my crew sunk getting those Skull Forts cleared.

    Finish one and it counts back to where you were

  • King Brouille
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    @aod-fluid pandering to fun more like it.
    First off, it is unfair to the people that spent countless hours grinding to get those achievements only to change it at this point. I think it should have been tested pre-launch to avoid this. It seems they threw out an arbitrary number and said 'yeah, that seems right'. Or maybe they just needed to give an impossible milestone in order to fill the hole left by a title that was launched with such a small amount of content - which isn't so much the case today.
    That being said, I have done the grind on many games (this game included) and when I reach the end I look back and think, why? I missed the point of the game somewhere in the process because that grind was NOT filled with fun.

    TL:DR
    These markers feel right but Rare should have had these current milestones set at launch

  • PomalotacusMk3
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    @fishst1ck said in Commendations Changes - The Numbers:

    @pomalotacusmk3 said in Commendations Changes - The Numbers:

    @aod-fluid said in Commendations Changes - The Numbers:

    yet another change to the game to pander to casuals... why are people so impatient about "getting things"?

    instant gratification generation.
    'I want it NOW , daddy.'
    *Stamps feet on floor and/or throws toys out of pram.

    The last part seems to be the way you react too. I can understand that if you actively worked on reaching this and therefore grinded a lot of hours on getting this, it's a hard pill to swallow. What I don't understand is people that can only find gratification when other people don't have something, everything about this is invisible to others. How does reducing the mindless grind, making the banner pop more often and reaching grade V within the realm of possility for more people dimish your accomplishment?

    Rare stated that these were looked at after the outcry for changes on the banana crate situation, after that they looked at the numbers and saw only a small number of people got grade V or got close to it. They stated these commendations were a added to be unlocked along the way to PL, not a thing you had to grind a 1000h for after reaching PL. I believe @Auxbr0 posted that more commendations for after PL will be added soon.

    'the last part seems to be the way you react too.' Its not the way i react at all. I stopped playing weeks ago. The next time i log in, i'll get all the commendations.. But i totally understand where the upset players are coming from. Thats the only reasoni humorously commented to fluids post The only time that i'll start throwing toys out of the pram is in the xplay debate :) which is the only reason i visit these forums nowadays. Peace out.

  • zodemere

    @katttruewalker said in Commendations Changes - The Numbers:

    @auxbr0

    Thanks for taking the time to post this list - I hadn't really even begun to look at commendations in game, just acquiring them organically as I go but what surprises me here is the lack of round numbers - from 1000 to 270, from 1000 to 90??
    Just seems a strange choice of new totals.

    **
    Strange choices indeed plus you can see how almost ALL weree lowered except the hunter of cursed captains is still 1000 out of 1000. Very strange. I wish they had ONLY LOWERED SOME vs ALL!!!
    . **

  • JacketedLawyer6
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    @eggamer13 this game isn’t for casual people? Should the download come with a warning? “WARNING: Game not for casuals. Any casuals found here or on forums will be hunted down, beheaded, and/or burned at the stake. They don’t belong here, this game is only for try hard elitists who make up a smaller player base. Only for people who grind at least 23 out of the 24 hours a day. No sunlight or fresh air required.”
    Is that what you wanted?

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