@messiah-x6 said in Sea of Casuals:
@ghostpaw @Tre-Oni are you two even relevant in sot? Last i heard you two just bb sit forums?
Thats all im saying i dont want this to get closed.
Doesn't take any extra effort to maintain a forum presence alongside playing games
Im not a "hardcore" gamer per say, I wish I could be because I love my video games but for me I just dont have the time. With that said though some of the commendations were stupid like the banana crate on, give me a break. I think a few like that needed tweaking but not sure why so many others were changed. Im not like an accommodation person, I really could careless if I get them or not but I know some people do really care and work towards them.
Like I said in another post I been living under abit of rock lately so im not up to speed yet on all the changes from this update.
@combatxkitty said in Sea of Casuals:
I really could careless if I get them or not but I know some people do really care and work towards them.
I don't begrudge people for enjoying the grind. People have fun in different ways.
What I do take issue with is when people start suggesting that less grinding automatically equals bad, implying that "hardcore" gamers are more important/'relevant', and throwing around the word 'casual' with the same tone as 'infected boil'.
I mean, I can understand a bit of frustration, but let's keep some perspective on our goofy pirate game.
@marsmayflower When they are the only means of distinguishing oneself in terms of dedication they are hardly superfluous. This is a symptom of Rare's incredibly bad development pipeline/process. If they had changed the requirements within the first month of the game, that would have been one thing. Instead, they wait until people have sunk hours into the game purely for the titles (which are basically the only end game there is) and then screw over those that spent time by making it easier for everyone. Commendations were the only thing that you couldn't cheese in this game and served as least as some kind of distinguishing factor. Now nothing does.
@flying-poopla said in Sea of Casuals:
@marsmayflower When they are the only means of distinguishing oneself in terms of dedication they are hardly superfluous. This is a symptom of Rare's incredibly bad development pipeline/process. If they had changed the requirements within the first month of the game, that would have been one thing. Instead, they wait until people have sunk hours into the game purely for the titles (which are basically the only end game there is) and then screw over those that spent time by making it easier for everyone. Commendations were the only thing that you couldn't cheese in this game and served as least as some kind of distinguishing factor. Now nothing does.
** So tru! **
@combatxkitty The banana, cannonball, and wood crates were the only commendations that were flawed. Rare literally could have fixed it by folding those quest types into regular merchant missions. Instead, they make all commendations easier and don't even apply the most obvious fix for the crates. Now they just have a higher chance to spawn in bottle messages. What a joke. Who is responsible for problem solving on Rare's product team, because that person should be fired...
@flying-poopla said in Sea of Casuals:
screw over those that spent time by making it easier for everyone.
Eeeeehh, I gotta say. I'm a little nervous of the notion, "this is less fun because more people can do it". I mean, you still have those commendations; the newer people are still gonna have to put in time to get them. Literally the only thing you're losing is a small measure of elitism.
And... I don't know, that seems a little petty to me. But maybe I just don't get it since I've never really derived any enjoyment out of that aspect of gaming.
@flying-poopla said in Sea of Casuals:
@combatxkitty The banana, cannonball, and wood crates were the only commendations that were flawed. Rare literally could have fixed it by folding those quest types into regular merchant missions. Instead, they make all commendations easier and don't even apply the most obvious fix for the crates. Now they just have a higher chance to spawn in bottle messages. What a joke. Who is responsible for problem solving on Rare's product team, because that person should be fired...
** SPOR ON! WHO DECIDES THIS CRUD?**
@v**a-hombre I never said it was less fun because more people can do it. The distinction here is that reaching these commendations takes effort and dedication. Everyone can do it. Whether they want to put the time in or not is the deciding factor. If this had been changed at launch, it wouldn't have mattered because the time wouldn't have already been invested. But they didn't. And now you have people whose pursuit in the end game was to get those commendations. Now the rug has been pulled out from under them and essentially wasted their time. If you are running a marathon and after you cross the finish line they move it so more people can finish, is that not an injustice. Not everyone deserves everything. Some things take dedication. Society is crumbling because of this new attitude that because I want it the environment must change to suit my needs instead of me changing to suit the environment. It is laughable and a slap in the face to those who worked hard. I didn't even have any of those commendations, but the injustice is clear. There is no gray area here.
@sabordier said in Sea of Casuals:
Since there is no monthly payment to play this game, Rare must appeal to new players to continue having revenue from the game.
So yeah, sad for you, but it's normal that Rare makes content for new & casual players before "hardcore" gamers which this game never targeted in the first place.
Taking away regular players achievements is not normal or ‘making content’. Very fickle move and I think shows a lack of respect for the ones who’ve invested the most into the game.
@blownboats a dit dans Sea of Casuals :
Taking away regular players achievements is not normal or ‘making content’. Very fickle move and I think shows a lack of respect for the ones who’ve invested the most into the game.
There are a lot of hardcore players in here that wants this game to be "Sea of farmers", but devs always said they wanted each game session to feel unique and fun. They don't want to push tryhard gaming, because 1. it doesn't make them anymore cash and 2. a tryhard community is not exactly a fun and welcoming community for new/casual players.
I am not aware of the achievment "taking away" that you refer to. But those achievments are clearly not something Rare wants to push. They want to reward fun and casual gaming in order to make the game more appealing to its target audience.
SoT is not and never will be a tryhard game. Sorry.
And finally, Rare owes you nothing for the time you've invested in the game. You invested this time for your own enjoyment, because it was fun. Not because it made Rare happy.
@octopus-lime getting those so called irrelevant numbers meant you got a title most people didnt have it was something to be proud of and was an actual accomplishment. Now its nothing more than a joke Rare isnt making this game easier on new players all they are doing is making the game feel like its not that hard till players start rage quitting because now we have nothing better to do than terrorize them. Since I no longer need treasure I can raid ships and throw the loot into the redsea the whole time letting them know they only have Rare to blame ever white sail I see is getting destroyed.
@blatantwalk4260 Having those acehivments didn't make the game 'hard' either, it's just how much time people are willing to invest/waste grinding items.
Lets be real for a moment, Most people where never going to get the 1000 coms. It's not like there are not long grinds for coms still. And also this entire game is a grind, a fun one, but a grind. Sorry but they should not keep stuff for the 1-2% that can grind 12 hours a day 7 days a week. It also shouldn't be easy enough to do in no time. I think they found a pretty good spot, some could make use slight increase but overall its fine.
I like it anyhow, to each their own right?
Guess I just don't see it that way. I've never bothered to even check the commendations. For me, they've just been something that happens naturally as I play the game.
I've had play sessions where I'm on for two or three hours and through bad luck or personal stupidity have ended up making zero progress. But that didn't bother me because I had fun playing, and having fun is the main objective for me.
The idea that I would do something I didn't find fun just to get the commendation is a rather foreign one, personally. And if you DID have fun doing it; well then, at least you still had fun, right?
I said before, I can understand a little frustration. I've played games where this kind of thing has happened before, so I can get the "really, guys?" attitude. What I really don't get is the "BETRAYAL! PARTICIPATION TROPHIES! HORRID CASUALS! SOCIETY IS CRUMBLING! GAME OVER, MAN! GAME OVER!!!" And all over a wacky, cartoon pirate game. Commendations always reminded me of that old t-shirt joke anyway. Y'know, "I spent months grinding forts in SoT, and all I got was this stupid shirt".
With Dark Souls bringing back the idea, the super challenging game has made a big comeback recently, but not every game needs that level of punishment. Especially like here, where it's not really about skill; more just how much time you have to slog it out. People thought the commendations were a bit steep and Rare apparently ended up agreeing. Annoying for those doing the heavy grinding, sure; but hardly the end of western civilization as we know it.
I'm fine with some frustrated venting, but this level of bitterness and ire seems a might childish.
@octopus-lime yea well new players get to suffer for it I am also recruiting any Player that just wants to blow up ships, kill peoples chickens, spawn trap them, attack people trying do events, and throw other ships loot in the red sea. For anyone that wants to be a real dirty Pirate let me know.
@octopus-lime actually i use to be nice I even did like 130 skeleton fleet battles helping people get the coms who couldnt find anyone to fleet with. This however killed all that if people want to complain about commendations that were really simple outside of the supply crates and ruin the game for me well here i come
@blatantwalk4260 Well aslong as you enjoy them game, whatever you're doing, that's all that matters.
Oh look, I haven't seen one of these responses in awhile. "I don't like this change, so I'm gonna troll people! Rar, rar, grrrrr!" Saw a lot of these just after launch, but they kinda fell off after that. Nice to see a callback to an old classic.
By all means bro, have yourself a good time. I'm sure you'll get a few people who'll get real upset over it. Just don't be disappointed when nothing much comes of it. We've been dealing with "trolls" ever since we started playing. It's old hat by now.
Personally, I'm glad they've balanced the requirements for commendations! It was long overdue. However, I do not agree with halving the number of X that we've already completed! I'd only done 200 gold hoarder missions, but now it says I've done 99...
I'm sure many of you have lost even more. I fail to understand why they chose to prolong the life of the game by reducing the stats of all players. We'd already done the work to reach X, why take that away?
@blatantwalk4260 said in Sea of Casuals:
@octopus-lime yea well new players get to suffer for it I am also recruiting any Player that just wants to blow up ships, kill peoples chickens, spawn trap them, attack people trying do events, and throw other ships loot in the red sea. For anyone that wants to be a real dirty Pirate let me know.
Hey, I want to be a total p***k too! Oh, wait, no I don't.
@blatantwalk4260 said in Sea of Casuals:
the whole time letting them know they only have Rare to blame ever white sail I see is getting destroyed.
Don't forget to mention the sociopathy and childlike tantrum while you are at it! ;)
@british-legends
When you deliver one chest/skull or whatever for the commendation you're having that problem with, it turns the values back to the way they were before the patch.
@v**a-hombre said in Sea of Casuals:
For being so hardcore, they sure seem to bruise easy.
Thats offensive! If you can not understand how people who have dedicated countless hours feel cheated because the goal post was moved after having grinded significantly towards it or actually achieving a rare title thru hard work and dedication then youre simply being willfully dismissive
Rare seems desperately and mindlessly try to dumb there game.
Start of without bringing any real content until the brought in the skeleton ships but these also didn't bring new long term commendations or goals
Fleets without limit with just 6 ships/server also kills a big part of the game and the 100%/50% loot also is devastating long term.
instead of looking and thinking into that they jump ahead. devalue even more of the long term goals by cutting down almost all the commendation to a joke and destroy the supply item looting system.
For now i am done with sea of thieves. I rly hope they take a big step back soon but from my experience it wont happen and the game will die for me and for most other fans.
No point in cosmetics (which are meant to be shown off) if everyone has them. IDK why Rare can't seem to grasp that concept. Everyone is going to look the same and have the same titles every update. I just don't even care to log on and do those commendations for that reason.
I've said it once and I'll keep saying it, this game needs power progression so people can stand out again.
@count-drogos a dit dans Sea of Casuals :
Thats offensive! If you can not understand how people who have dedicated countless hours feel cheated because the goal post was moved after having grinded significantly towards it or actually achieving a rare title thru hard work and dedication then youre simply being willfully dismissive
Are you sure you talk about a game, not a job ?
Nevermind, are you really talking about Sea of Thieves ? The pirate party game with no scoring system, no power-leveling, which the core gameplay is traveling the sea while barfing on your friends ?
My god, I am all for taking leasures at heart, but I think a lot of players are entangled in their gaming habits and confuse SoT for a random MMO, and don't see how relaxed and casual SoT's DNA is.
I am not saying that having your achievments divided by two is normal. But it's probably a bug and will be fixed. In the meantime, can't we relax a bit and remember what game we are talking about ?
@sabordier said in Sea of Casuals:
@blownboats a dit dans Sea of Casuals :
Taking away regular players achievements is not normal or ‘making content’. Very fickle move and I think shows a lack of respect for the ones who’ve invested the most into the game.
There are a lot of hardcore players in here that wants this game to be "Sea of farmers", but devs always said they wanted each game session to feel unique and fun. They don't want to push tryhard gaming, because 1. it doesn't make them anymore cash and 2. a tryhard community is not exactly a fun and welcoming community for new/casual players.
I am not aware of the achievment "taking away" that you refer to. But those achievments are clearly not something Rare wants to push. They want to reward fun and casual gaming in order to make the game more appealing to its target audience.
SoT is not and never will be a tryhard game. Sorry.
And finally, Rare owes you nothing for the time you've invested in the game. You invested this time for your own enjoyment, because it was fun. Not because it made Rare happy.
So wrong in so many ways... Rare owes us hardcore gamers. When the game came out and people cried about content, Hardcore gamers stood by them. When gamepass ended and the seas became sparse, hardcore gamers stood by them. When the word needed to be spread via word of mouth or when the game seemed aimless it was the grind spearheaded by the hardcore that trudged on. Before closed crew it was the hardcore that mentored the new and the casual on how to sail and how make the progress they wanted. Rare owes us... it owes us RESPECT. At every turn either by promoting the " Buy Paper Pirate legend Title" doubloon project, creating a cheese Athena Alliance or by nerfing the commendations; Rare is spitting in the face of those who have the dedication and commitment to excel. The same folks who most often buy their hard drives, controllers , coins and comics. Those most truly invested in sea of thieves.
@count-drogos a dit dans Sea of Casuals :
So wrong in so many ways... Rare owes us hardcore gamers. When the game came out and people cried about content, Hardcore gamers stood by them. When gamepass ended and the seas became sparse, hardcore gamers stood by them. When the word needed to be spread via word of mouth or when the game seemed aimless it was the grind spearheaded by the hardcore that trudged on. Before closed crew it was the hardcore that mentored the new and the casual on how to sail and how make the progress they wanted. Rare owes us... it owes us RESPECT. At every turn either by promoting the " Buy Paper Pirate legend Title" doubloon project, creating a cheese Athena Alliance or by nerfing the commendations; Rare is spitting in the face of those who have the dedication and commitment to excel. The same folks who most often buy their hard drives, controllers , coins and comics. Those most truly invested in sea of thieves.
I am a new player and everything you said about word-to-mouth and how hardcore are helping growing the base player is wrong.
At the release of the game, I didn't bought it because of the lack of content critic AND because of the aggressive pvp reputation the community had at the time. What made me buy the game two weeks ago was the content released AND the growing review saying that the community was much more relaxed and friendly with the Alliance system.
What made me nearly quit the game was the very bad first game session I had with my wife, were Pirate Legends had their fun spawn-killing us while we didn't even knew how to sail...
What made me stay was... other casual gamers I met and played with. People not obsessed with optimal ways to farm quests and up your rep, but enjoying the simple pleasures the game delivers with such generosity.
So yeah, no. Rare don't owe you nothing. You are not a special snow flake because of the number of chests you farmed. You are not making the game better for others because you are grinding everything there is to grind. What makes this community are open and relaxed people, willing to do anything, especially spending hours in the game for no trophy/reward.
@sabordier well you can expect that same aggressive behavior to return now the only thing protecting the casuals from the 10 athena players was the commendations.
@count-drogos said in Sea of Casuals:
@sabordier said in Sea of Casuals:
@blownboats a dit dans Sea of Casuals :
Taking away regular players achievements is not normal or ‘making content’. Very fickle move and I think shows a lack of respect for the ones who’ve invested the most into the game.
There are a lot of hardcore players in here that wants this game to be "Sea of farmers", but devs always said they wanted each game session to feel unique and fun. They don't want to push tryhard gaming, because 1. it doesn't make them anymore cash and 2. a tryhard community is not exactly a fun and welcoming community for new/casual players.
I am not aware of the achievment "taking away" that you refer to. But those achievments are clearly not something Rare wants to push. They want to reward fun and casual gaming in order to make the game more appealing to its target audience.
SoT is not and never will be a tryhard game. Sorry.
And finally, Rare owes you nothing for the time you've invested in the game. You invested this time for your own enjoyment, because it was fun. Not because it made Rare happy.So wrong in so many ways... Rare owes us hardcore gamers. When the game came out and people cried about content, Hardcore gamers stood by them. When gamepass ended and the seas became sparse, hardcore gamers stood by them. When the word needed to be spread via word of mouth or when the game seemed aimless it was the grind spearheaded by the hardcore that trudged on. Before closed crew it was the hardcore that mentored the new and the casual on how to sail and how make the progress they wanted. Rare owes us... it owes us RESPECT. At every turn either by promoting the " Buy Paper Pirate legend Title" doubloon project, creating a cheese Athena Alliance or by nerfing the commendations; Rare is spitting in the face of those who have the dedication and commitment to excel. The same folks who most often buy their hard drives, controllers , coins and comics. Those most truly invested in sea of thieves.
Wow that is all soooo true, especially how the hardcore players were the ones buying limited edition controller & etc. I'm soooo glad i held off on those extras. I'd not be surprised if Rare started giving out ferryman & other paid dlc for free soon!
ps ou can block the trolls on this forum so u never have to readd their garbage again.
