Recently Joe Neate said on the my 29th developer update said that they might "Revive the pioneer programme." For people who don't know what that is it is a testing environment for people who play the game a lot or go on the fourms a lot. If you're an active player, that plays everyday there's about a 50% chance of getting in. They will replace inactive pioneer players with active players and they will keep doing that. This would be great for players and the game since it does need more optimization and testing when it comes to dlc. What do you think to this? Do you want it to come back or not?
Revival of the pioneer programme
so...in such...Rare is actually thinking about starting a test server for updates and other stuff that will be accessible for the pioneers?
1.) no, thank you...I'm here to play a finished, polished, released product.
2.) getting that idea 3 months after release, after at least 1 update went through a [Mod edited] is a bit late anyway.3 months...for an update called Hungering Deep that my crew played through in 90 minutes...and you think Rare needs "testers" to tell them how thin this is? I think grownups are working there that have a basic (at least) understanding of what quality is (as everyone does).
Alone the fact...that they kept shipskins and other stuff back that were in betas but not part of the release is clearly odd in every way...as if releasing those later allows them to write "expansion" on them and allows them to say "look how the game is progressing".
To everyone wanting to be that pioneer...please tell Rare to hire twice the developers and hurry to create content besides grinding before your agree on anything...you will have done a good job on your first day.
Doesnt change the fact that I'm right.
Do your pioneering...put hours of your days into it...as a consumer I can only profit from it.
Couple of discussions along these lines here also -
https://www.seaofthieves.com/forum/topic/60109/how-can-someone-be-a-pioneer?page=1
https://www.seaofthieves.com/forum/topic/60042/pioneers-or-ptr
@ant-heuser-kush sagte in Revival of the pioneer programme:
@kustho Right about what? Just because you're unhappy, that doesn't make you right.
Dont try to read my emotions, you cant and it doesnt help this discussion. I'm stating simple facts. Please do the same to keep this discussion going forward. Thanks.
@kustho sagte in Revival of the pioneer programme:
1.) no, thank you...I'm here to play a finished, polished, released product.
Noone is forced into the program, players are invited and can choose if they want to join.
2.) getting that idea 3 months after release, after at least 1 update went through a [Mod edited] is a bit late anyway.
The program already existed, it was just not used after release. So it's no new idea, the idea of working with pioneers again was already mentioned at release.
A basic point of the pioneer programme seems to be that Rare get's a first feedback from the community about features, so they can react before publishing it to the masses. So basically it's more about how the players feel with new features, highly technical tests will still be done by Rare.@BritishTwin-One I hope it's coming back for the bigger updates, and i hope Rare allowes me to keep my pioneer status. If it comes back, it will be interesting to see how many pioneers they will recruit.
@kustho said in Revival of the pioneer programme:
Doesnt change the fact that I'm right.
Only that there is no "right" in "I don't want to do it". ;-)
@kustho said in Revival of the pioneer programme:
Dont try to read my emotions, you cant and it doesnt help this discussion. I'm stating simple facts. Please do the same to keep this discussion going forward. Thanks.
Very fair point.
If you notice the problem that an opinion (which is basically what you are having) simply can't be right by definition :D@warmcreator8491 sagte in Revival of the pioneer programme:
The last pioneer program and the 20 betas didn’t help the game at release.
How do you know this?
@sirliborius said in Revival of the pioneer programme:
@warmcreator8491 sagte in Revival of the pioneer programme:
The last pioneer program and the 20 betas didn’t help the game at release.
How do you know this?
Because the release state was panned across the board. Literacy will set you free.
@mrgrim67686 Ok, my question maybe wasn't precise enough: How do you know, that the pioneer programme and the betas didn't help?
@sirliborius said in Revival of the pioneer programme:
@mrgrim67686 Ok, my question maybe wasn't precise enough: How do you know, that the pioneer programme and the betas didn't help?
Brother, if that helped then Rare is in worse shape than I thought:
I mean, this is low level side quest stuff.
Are you telling me this is the best the pioneers could muster?
I think they were more focused on selling the idea of their game than making a game. Graphics mean nothing to me. Where is the gameplay?
They were TOLD in the Betas that their voyage loop sucked. Yay. We got more if it. Woo. Hoo.
As a Pioneer, I think it might be useful to "call us to arms" if there's an update every two weeks or a month. If there are new mechanics that need testing. But honestly, in 2.5 months, there was "just" the Hungering Deep update that might have needed testing and Pioneers could have tested it for like 2 days and know everything. What I'm trying to say I don't think it's a good idea to revive Pioneers if they are going to give us job once in 3 months. Half of the Pioneers would forget the date and get kicked out of the programme for no reason. So unless there's work to do at least one weekend a month I don't think we are needed.
My understanding is that without the pioneers and alpha/beta testing we wouldn't of even had sloops. Rare wanted a totally co-op orientated game full of galleons. It was player feedback that encouraged them to introduce the sloop and single player gaming.
I'm convinced that the reintroducing the pioneer program is the best thing they can do at this point. The development team cannot test content to destruction. If you've been part of the development you are naturally going to use the new content as it was designed. It takes people from outside the process to show the developers where they've gone wrong. I believe THD could of been quite a bit better if they had implemented many of the community suggestions.
No matter if you don't like the game(For some reason them people are still on the fourms) or you like the game, we all can agree that it needs better quality of life improvements. Sorting out crashes, bugs and glitches, then us pioneers can report that stuff to make the game just a little bit better. @TutorialChimp I do agree with you with it being limited in time. They might make us test the weekly events, though if they need testing for that then god help us all. I think they would just let us test little parts of the next dlc as they develop that dlc. This would give them a lot more time to fix stuff. All under NDA of course, maybe, I don't know.
@kustho If you disagree with the pioneer program then please give a descent debate and disscussion with constuctive critism rather than hopelessly ranting. Pssssttttt Whispers Hungering deep was 2 months after release. The title also says revival of the pioneer programme as well as at the end I said do you want it to return and you think it's new. Also why are you still on the fourms? You don't play the game anymore that's clear. Are you just going on every post saying there's a lack of content? Because everyone knows this, so does rare that's why they've got free content updates.
@mrgrim67686 To me you sound like the pioneer programme didn't help at all, which is very hard to prove.
BTW: which kind of gameplay are you missing?
The quest system is quite simple, yes.
On the othe hand, the sailing system works well. The movement work fine, even whil it isn't perfect yet. Combat works well.@sirliborius said in Revival of the pioneer programme:
@mrgrim67686 To me you sound like the pioneer programme didn't help at all, which is very hard to prove.
BTW: which kind of gameplay are you missing?
The quest system is quite simple, yes.
On the othe hand, the sailing system works well. The movement work fine, even whil it isn't perfect yet. Combat works well.I agree. Hard to prove. Combat is meh. Hit reg is pure trash, but the rest is passable. The rest kinda proves the point. 😜
There's a lot of theories, false claims and assumptions about the whole program being thrown around in here, and sadly the program remains under NDA, so I can't get into any kind of detail about it to help clear things up.
But I will say; assuming anything about it will do no one any good. The program was of such a benefit to the developers before that they're bringing it back, and that's great for all players.
It's not a question of "Should they bring it back?" It's just a question of "When?".
@BritishTwin-One I hope to get pioneer status, but I think 50% chance of getting it if you play everyday is a little more than generous. Currently there are 5611 pioneers 113220 founders and 211860 insiders. Pioneer test group has historically been very small.
@mrgrim67686 said in Revival of the pioneer programme:
Are you telling me this is the best the pioneers could muster?
There seems to be this idea that the pioneers were somehow co-developers to the game. Or that the developers were at our every beck and call and ready to implement whatever ideas we generated during our feedback. We were this elite group that could help make all of the game's problems go away.
Truth be told, we were nothing more than QA testers selected from the community using unknown metrics. Rare got to see their next patch get tested in a larger scale than their in-house testers without the regular forum backlash due to bugs and we got to play the game. Our primary role was to play the game and test the features that were implemented and provide feedback and bug reports on them as per point 8 in their Pioneer FAQ.
I really don't know where people get this notion that we were more than what we actually were.
@sirliborius dijo en Revival of the pioneer programme:
@mrgrim67686 Ok, my question maybe wasn't precise enough: How do you know, that the pioneer programme and the betas didn't help?
Every problem I saw (and reported) on the pioneer program went straight to the release. We Pioneers pointed out things that really needed to change (preview the cosmethics you are buying, change the position of the bell next to the ladder, allow private crews...), they knew about this months before the release, and some of them were just fixed now... I mean, I really want to love this game, but it is hard to say "Rare listen to us" when this kind of mess happens...
I still have faith someday this game will be what it deserves to be. But now it's still an early access, just the same as when we tested it.
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Doesnt change the fact that I'm right.
Do your pioneering...put hours of your days into it...as a consumer I can only profit from it.
Right about what? You're just complaining. Oh wait, I'm supposed to not enjoy myself because you don't. I get it now.
@nukete9 geez... Why are you necro-ing this?!
This post is from a time when pioneers were inactive. We active now, again, for about 2 months...
This isn't a relevant post that requires a necro...I think...As this thread was 3 months old, and revived today, it will now be locked. Please feel free to start a new discussion on this topic!
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