This game isn't No Man's Sky

Says game isn't No Man's Sky, spends post talking about Red Dead Redemption.... Slightly confused readers incoming.

@lemonwave236035 Forts is a real thing to do, frustrating thing, but a real thing. I agree quests can be bad but they are not always and they tend to lead to some different experiences, so its not fully rinse and repeat.

Most open world games have the same rinse and repeat with variations, such as assassins creed, far cry, destiny, etc etc. Rinse and repeat is a big part of games today because of size of games and for them be able to be "time-sinks" where you dont finish the game in 6 hours like some years ago.

I havent played either of those games you mentioned. But I dont its fair to say there is nothing to do. What would be more fair is what there is to do does not appeal to you, which means the game wasnt for you currently, which happens, plenty of games where this is the case. Its all about what you expect from it. And just because it is not what you expected from it, does not mean its bad, it means it wasnt for you.

For me this game is more than the extent of the content. Its the feeling when youre hauling something good and you and your friends keep scouting the horizon worried that someone would like to take it off your hands.

People who feel the only thing to do is kill eachother is gonna grow bored real fast, this game isnt deathmatch or survival, its an adventure.

@jedi-firefly Then I feel bad for those confused readers and hope their caretakers are nice people.

@ohrstrom I wasn't going to reply to this at first but at this point this sort of reply is just too annoy to ignore.

So many of you constantly say "the point of this game is to find your own fun. It's about going on an adventure. You just don't get what this game is about" any time somebody says anything negative or is taken as negative. What if their fun is to kill every boat they find? What if their adventure is to be the most brutal pirate on the seas? What if the game to them is just sinking ships with their friends? The first thing you guys do is say they're playing it wrong and that they don't how to play the game correctly.

So you tell people to make their own fun. What you really mean is "play the game my way and how I play or don't play at all" though right?

@lemonwave236035 I think people use the comparison of NMS, not because of the launch problems, but because what you see and what you read, isn't what you got, which was player assumptions/hype. Hello Games promised an exploration title, the multiplayer thing was sketchy at best, but it was mentioned and the faction wars(Which I would really like.) never came out, so that kind of sucks. The biggest thing was the content in NMS, it was lacking, likely severely.

Go here, scan this, pick this up, upgrade this, rinse repeat process. Now? It has a ton of content and even more if you play on PC, but all that aside? It's not worth talking about and the reason for that? Because the players don't care anymore. They trusted Hello Games to deliver on the game they wanted ON LAUNCH, not overtime. Granted the additions to make the game so much better, so little of the people that actually own the game could careless about it because they lost the gamer's trust the moment they decided to release it in the state they did.

SoT is similar in that regard, releasing with limited content, with the first additional content planned 3 months after the release and having a stock price of 60 dollars. That's where the comparison comes in. Both games released with the intent on adding more for free(NMS stated this and have been honest so far.) but if the game doesn't captivate the audience from moment one. What makes you think they will stick around to see what else the devs have up their sleeves, that they couldn't of put into the game from the get go?

Hello Games has a semi pass on this imo, they tried something completely new, procedurally generated universe with supposedly billions of different planets, which came to a screeching hault the moment you realized the generator just kind of had limited numbers of things to deal with for the generator, from vegetation to fauna to actual landscaping. SoT is trying to create a social interaction type of game, but limits the content you can actually use to be social, outside of poorly crafted emotes and a lackluster voice program. So, where SoT falls short is the player base is already dropping, they also had a pass, which could be used for free so that kind of limited their sales, probably by a wide margin and when those things are added together? Well, let's just see what Microsoft does. All we can do now, is wait.

@tyson6127 I think I am one of the few people that actually enjoyed NMS at launch. Love the game, so relaxing, but it would go a LONG way if the alien factions started with a sense of spite or fear of you and you had to build it up.

@lemonwave236035 said in This game isn't No Man's Sky:

@ohrstrom I wasn't going to reply to this at first but at this point this sort of reply is just too annoy to ignore.

So many of you constantly say "the point of this game is to find your own fun. It's about going on an adventure. You just don't get what this game is about" any time somebody says anything negative or is taken as negative. What if their fun is to kill every boat they find? What if their adventure is to be the most brutal pirate on the seas? What if the game to them is just sinking ships with their friends? The first thing you guys do is say they're playing it wrong and that they don't how to play the game correctly.

So you tell people to make their own fun. What you really mean is "play the game my way and how I play or don't play at all" though right?

I think youve entirely misread my post.

I am in no way saying that people should have to play specific way or not play at all. What I am saying that sometimes you hope that a game will have a certain type of gameplay and then it turns out it doesnt really. That might mean that you will enjoy the game but differently than you anticipated, or that you might leave it where it is and enjoy other games, thats what I meant with that the maybe wasnt for you.

In a way, all games are "find you own fun", what I meant that it isnt really fair to say that there is nothing to do, because there are things to do, and its subjective wether its enough or not. I for one welcome more content, but I tendo to do that with most games. I feel there are things to do in the game, but they need to build on their base and add a lot, as many games do.

What Im saying is that if your idea of fun is sinking every ship you can find, being the most brutal pirate on the seas and the extent of the game is sinking ships with your friends, that is perfectly fine. But the way the game is designed is likely to going to leave wanting more, because you dont run into people wanting battle overly frequently, some want battle, some will run, and if they run you are gonna spend a lot of time just chasing, not really engaged in battle.

Ive never claimed you dont know what the game is about or anything like that, I merely stated that the game by design in really not optimized for or focused on pvp. I personally believe that the people in it only for the pvp will grow bored, I might be wrong, its just my suspicions.

Finally Id just like to add that if my post annoys you that is 100% on you mate, I was in no way confrontational or claiming any of the c**p you accused me of, just telling you my thoughts and my own feelings. But saying that there is nothing to do is just wrong and that is on you.

@ohrstrom After reading your post, then my question to you is this, what is fun to you? What is it you're doing that no one else is? What fun do you get out of this sandbox at 60, that you don't from another sandbox better crafted and with more content to do other things and is a cheaper price? Just curious really.

@lemonwave236035 big, lol its tiny 10mins and you can get to the other side if not less. It no mans sky because they have basically just gave us a shell and the game will flop in a few short months p*****g off all their customers, but im sure a few loyal players will enjoy the coinstore, forced PVP and lack of content and shortly players.... oh yeah red dead had missions and voice acters and well a story you didn't have to pay extra for...

@kashaarafall I enjoy most parts, I like the questing even though there is loads of room for improvement, and needs for optimization. (like when you finish a 25 hoarder voyage and all you got was a castaway or seafarer chest)

The biggest things I dont like in this game currently is the dragged out chaos a Fort tends to lead to, the huge difference in speeds between the sloop and the galleon and the fact that I cant alt tab without losing connection because Im on a laptop (a high end gaming laptop but still a laptop).

The rest for me is a decent base to build on and even if I always want more from every game I play Ive had great fun on most occasions.

But everything is subjective and just because I have doesnt mean the next person will. But people really shouldnt go around saying things that are untrue just because something doesnt match up to their hopes and expectations. There are things to do in this game, and you can play it as PVP only as well, even if in my eyes its far from a pvp oriented game. Sure you can sink a ship and get "phat lewt" as a bonus, but you can also end up in a 2 hour chase that ends with your prey scuttling and you missing out on the combat you desired. Subjective, but true.

@ohrstrom The thing is and this is probably one of the biggest issues. Is the questing is only 3 variations, all of which end up the same. The fort ends up the same, with the result being fetch it, turn it in, get some rep. The PvP is either for something or for nothing and honestly? It's pretty poorly balanced, becomes a battle of who has the most planks on board and see who can repair faster, so the solution? Board em of course! Then it comes to the blunderbuss which is severely imbalanced according to multiple reports and the exploration is littered with reused assets, which imo, shouldn't be a thing in a game that took four years to develop.

I mean, I get where you're coming from. The game is fun to you or how you play it, but the problems are indeed real, opinions, but real non the less. Game was released with limited content to have fun with in the first place and while it is respectable to not want to go from arrow to arrow, you're doing just that. You're following a map, which leads to an arrow be it pointed out or riddled out and go back to the quest giver aka the faction people. So while people say "This game isn't like others." it is, but it is disguised well enough that it makes you think otherwise. Kudos if you enjoy it though! It's always great to find that title you enjoy, I've found plenty and SoT had my hopes on it and it still does.

The problem though? I am wondering how much long term damage is done here and with RARE in somewhat radio silence? It gives me Hello Games vibes all over again.

@kashaarafall I have no problem agreeing that content is limited. But not that there is no content except killing eachother, which was OP's claim.

@ohrstrom Well, in a sandbox game, content is what you make of it. The PvP is infact content and if that is how OP wants to play, then it is on him. The problem is the PvP is infact limited in that regard and doesn't offer much. A 3 button melee system, gun gameplay that normally results in blunderbuss madness(Which's reload time is entirely too short for a BB) or the naval warfare which I don't have much issues with outside the medium cannon's firing range being too long.

I played so many hours on "No Man's Sky" and got my money's worth of that game.

I guess I am lucky because I don't try to find the meaning of life in a sandbox video game. No game will ever meet the expectation of this generation's needs, ever.

SOT is amazing. Pure and simple. I also have something many do not have, patience. The game just came out. Enjoy it and go have a nice sea quest with a battle!

If you need something to do because you lack imagination, here is a task for you: Put 4 or more people on a sloop and go travel the red sea looking for that rumored ship wreck with a special booty. Have 2 bailing and patching while you go find it.

Just a thought. I'm loving everything about this game. Guess I' lucky.

@naoshadowpaws I bet they will be selling coins so there is little chance of having gambling I hope my presumptions are wrong but the evidence is stacking up. pick one RARE either charge for your game or have a store please don't try to pillage us on both fronts. specialy with the tiny amount of content on offer, only reason GTA can pull it off is because the world is huge! also it only takes a few hours to earn enough to buy most items unlike the grind you have created here.

@kashaarafall I agree that pvp variety is limited, but your reasoning can be applied to any game. Buy game with content A,B,C,D and E but you only want to do content E and therefor feel content is lacking. Someone said before release that this game is 90% pve and 10% pvp, which I feel is fairly accurate, so if all you want to do is do PVP finding limitations is understandable. But there is so many games where you could state that content is lacking because youre only interested in a fraction of what the game contains.

I feel we wont get any further doing this back and forth. OP stated that there was nothing to do but kill eachother. Nowhere does he state in his post that PVP is all he interested in, he just says there is nothing else to do, which is incorrect, and I called him on it, Im going to leave it there.

@theunknownd You're lucky! You bought NMS when it was on sale, I preordered it and was one of those people on launch going "Oooh and Ahh!" for the first two hours and then went "Is this it?"I still enjoyed the game non the less and defended portions of it, but I still accepted room for improvement. I am honestly wondering what the new update is going to be.

@naoshadowpaws I would hardly say that is a great deal of wealth at most I've seen 4 powder kegs on an island, and you may of got back to land safely but its seems I am destined to hunted by Galleons on my solo journeys, I like solo so don't try and change that either just let me enjoy a private session on my own or with my friends in our own boats not that they will come to the game now they know there is no way out of PVP. Sometimes people just want to relax however boring you might find that.

I am not familiar with RDR so much, but your analysis of it compared to NMS, which one would you recognise to have more depth. RDR or NMS in their launch suit?

@mythicalfable RDR had a fully functioning singleplayer with no problems and a ton of things to do. The only problem was the multiplayer which had very limited things to do and hardly worked at the start.

@kashaarafall said in This game isn't No Man's Sky:

@mythicalfable RDR had a fully functioning singleplayer with no problems and a ton of things to do. The only problem was the multiplayer which had very limited things to do and hardly worked at the start.

Roger that. Thanks.

@lobofh NMS was Hello Game's baby, they wanted it to succeed despite it all and if the new updates adds the multiplayer that people wanted? You might see just that. I personally love the game.

@lobofh I agree with those words, but I will also say that despite the game not being crafted for MP, if they added faction wars(Like the trailer showed in space.) that it would be fun taking on freighters or battleships with a buddy.