Sloop/Galleon Speed - A Tale of Woe

@logansdadtoo Aye. That be how it actually works. Galleons need three sails because they be so much larger and heavier. Three sails does not equate to 3x as fast. Three sails are needed to just get it to move.

It be like comparing gas consumption of a two-door sedan to a monster truck.

Yes, a sloop is faster than a galleon.

Sloop = lighter (less water displacement/resistance), more streamlined hull, and thus a fast mover (with the wind).

Galleon = heavy (water displacement and corresponding friction (i.e. resistance), cumbersome (i.e. not streamlined), and less fast than a much smaller sailed vessel.

The laws of physics applies to maritime vessels as it does to most everything else in life.

Aye agreed

@buildableshark1 Glad me be not the only one.

@logansdadtoo said in Sloop/Galleon Speed - A Tale of Woe:

@fullcheli
So you are saying a small ship with 1 small sail should be faster than a large ship with 3 large sails?

Yes, the larger ships are so heavy that they are slower.
The sloop was by far the most commonly used ship by pirates simply because they could outrun and evade the larger ships that hunted them.

That said, it would really suck for actual gameplay. I think the sloop should be faster than it is but not faster than the galleon. Right now it's just too hard to shake a galleon, they should have a better chance at getting to an island at least.

Even if you tack your way against the wind to outrun a galleon, eventually you'll come to the edge of the map.

I think sloops need a bit more of a chance to escape. But they shouldn't be able to evade every galleon all the time.

You want something OP, add a Frigate those are built to be fast and had the greater firepower.

Some people suggest an especially fast unarmed solo ship, like a skiff. All you could do in it is run away. I wouldn't even allow weapons to the solo user that uses it.

@casesugar401098 I be liking these optins me think perhaps rare should add em post launch at some point

@casesugar401098 Aye. Though adding ships feels like headaches waiting to happen. But of the two, thy skiff option seems the most fair.

As a general rule, additions to cover up flaws elsewhere rarely solve the initial issue. Just by making the sloop a touch faster than the galleon solves the problem. It be an easy fix too.

EDIT: After further contemplation, a frigate option would make a complete mess of things. No ship should be both fast and powerful. It need be one or the other to maintain balance. If small, fast and maneuverable be what you seek, then fancy yourself a sloop. If firepower and cabin space be your need, then set sail in galleon. A third or fourth option would just muddy the waters says I.

@skaary27 Alas, you only escape if they let you. Furthermore, a sloop does not catch a galleon unless you happen to catch one off-guard or it be crewed by fools. This ain't lore, it be fact. In the end, physics win out.

The fear of over-powered sloops be a real concern, though. That much I agree. Hence why I only suggest they be slightly faster than a galleon. Just enough to make wake should a pirate wish to flee. No single man crew should ever have to spend an hour (or worse still perhaps longer) trying to shake a 1v4 encounter.

@shisizle Aye. But this strategy only works for so long - and not to mention goes against common sense. Most pirates won't understand this and fall victim over and again until they grow weary and move on to another game.

But beyond that, sailing against the wind only works minimally, as it be only on distinct direction you can sail to have a shot of evading. I'd say that be far too limiting of a defense to argue as fair.

@shaderomega There be no sailing away. Not unless they allow it. Sailing against the wind ain't making you faster than a galleon. At best it be level footing. But sooner or later you will run out of options and have to deal with the wind in yer sails. And when you do, that galleon will once again be at the tremendous advantage.

To be true, I ain't seeing any real argument to be made against this. It be arguing over things that be already decided.

@fullcheli the sloop is getting 4-man crews in an update after launch. Until that time, it's 'play at your own risk.'

@shadowstrider-7 Fools gold. Don't be believing those wise tales. Nothing but falsehoods. Galleons be four, sloops be two. Those be your full crews.

Source http://www.ign.com/articles/2018/02/13/sea-of-thieves-dev-explains-why-the-maximum-crew-size-is-4-players

@fullcheli I dont post rumors. It's been confirmed on Twitter by Joe Neate. They will indeed have 4-man sloops.

@shadowstrider-7 This be news to me. Can you drum up the post?

@devilettuce What say you to a speed boost on the sloop if - and only if - she be piloted solo? That way to account for the fact you be without a mate to help ye along.

@fullcheli said in Sloop/Galleon Speed - A Tale of Woe:

@shadowstrider-7 This be news to me. Can you drum up the post?

Proof. Click to expand.

https://twitter.com/shadowstrider7/status/963547632147812353

@shaderomega You want me to talk normal to make my point more legitimate? Fine, I can do that.

You're entitled to your opinion, obviously. I see your point and perhaps if I had gone even further into juking and pivoting that I had already it would have been easier to elude my pursuers. It wasn't as though they ever caught me, though. I was always able to stay just a bit out of their reach.

But that's kind of the point. For nearly two hours they gave chase and my time was wasted trying to get rid of them. Then, to accomplish that, I have to do a ton of arbitrary work to do so? And should I slip up and make an error I get to deal with the ramifications of them just having the persistence to just keep at it? I guess that is where you lose me.

To me, this is simple. Either you elect for a small, fast and nimble ship or a large, slow but powerful one. I don't see how one ship gets to have most of the positive attributes and the sole argument for it being "well, if you couldn't figure out how to beat them that's honestly on you." It isn't when the deck is obviously stacked in one ship's favor.

@shadowstrider-7 Huh. Well, that's interesting. Thanks for sharing. I stand corrected.

@fullcheli said in Sloop/Galleon Speed - A Tale of Woe:

@shadowstrider-7 Huh. Well, that's interesting. Thanks for sharing. I stand corrected.

You're welcome. No one ever believes me when I mention it. I can't tell you how many times I have had to post that tweet.

@shadowstrider-7 I believe it. Seems like a real reversal to the gameplay mechanics we have experienced up to this point. Four people in a sloop seems unbalanced even just as-is - more so if the speed increase I'm suggesting were to be implemented. Kind of makes you wonder why anyone would want a galleon when they could have a four person sloop.

@fullcheli said in Sloop/Galleon Speed - A Tale of Woe:

@shadowstrider-7 I believe it. Seems like a real reversal to the gameplay mechanics we have experienced up to this point. Four people in a sloop seems unbalanced even just as-is - more so if the speed increase I'm suggesting were to be implemented. Kind of makes you wonder why anyone would want a galleon when they could have a four person sloop.

I just love the galleon. The crew makes the journeys so much more enjoyable and there's always work to be done. Battles are intense and require everyone to work together in order to survive. The sloop is much more simplified and can be efficiently piloted solo, even allowing for decent combat capabilities. My time on a 2-man sloop taught me that it is something to be feared in the right hands. A friend and I sank 15 ships in one session of play during the last Scale Test.