The Grief is real...

@saint-void said in The Grief is real...:

@narwhal-pirate Yeah, but why punish the people just because they don't have many online friends? or ones that want to play with thier kids? We paid the same price for the game, its not like I'm playing the division an complaining about the DZ. Its option, not the whole game. I'm not saying the free-for-all shouldn't be an option or even the main mode, but why not allow the players who don't want to be griefed/spawnkilled/etc... over and over enjoy the game too? Letting me play in a 2v2 only pool doesn't mean you can't play in a 4v2v1 pool, they aren't mutually exclusive.

So you're complaining about the play style saying you didnt pay for this, when you really did?

The first thing the creators say about the game is

"Exotic islands. Hidden treasures. Riddles, battles and shanties. The essential pirate experience. Sea of Thieves is a new type of multiplayer game that delivers all you need to live the free-roaming pirate life. Whether adventuring as a group or sailing solo, you'll encounter other crews... but will they be friends or foes, and how will you respond?"

They laid it out for you, sounds like you didn't read the description. You literally bought an open world PVP game, and dont want it to be open world PVP..... uhhhh wut?

Stop complaining, killing is a part of the game. If you think people are killing you too often, it’s probably from the beta. Let them get it out of their system before release

@ssjvegeta420 said in The Grief is real...:

@mattydove74
This is not pubg or battle royale... you kids are turning every game regardless of its mechanics or features into a mindless killing field

This is not Hello Kitty Online or Monster Hunter...you Trammelites are turning every game regardless of its mechanics or features into a mindless PVE snorefest

I would just suggest keep playing on the 2 man sloop if you don't have any friends that play. You're bound to meet someone like minded and then you guys can team up. As far as the griefing it takes a minute for you to be able to respawn to a new ship. If you don't want to try and board them then I suggest you just scuttle your ship and get a new one.

Good luck , I'm sure you will have time to find someone to play with before the launch, check out the looking for crew forums.

@mattydove74 said in The Grief is real...:

@ssjvegeta420 said in The Grief is real...:

@mattydove74
This is not pubg or battle royale... you kids are turning every game regardless of its mechanics or features into a mindless killing field

This is not Hello Kitty Online or Monster Hunter...you Trammelites are turning every game regardless of its mechanics or features into a mindless PVE snorefest

How exactly does a request for an additional option of a more casual player-pool effect your game in any way? No one is suggesting taking out the free-4-all. If you don't like "snore fest" games, thats your taste, but some people do. Giving more options expands the playerbase, not contracts it, thus expanding the game and making it more money. I don't tell you how to enjoy your games, what gives you the right to tell me how to enjoy mine?

@mattydove74 said in The Grief is real...:

@dironox said in The Grief is real...:

@bigchickenbutt On top of that, it's completely your own fault if you're being spawn camped while solo or on a 2-man ship. Just scuttle your ship or leave the game and rejoin to be machmade into a different server or outpost. It's rather obvious but for some reason people still complain about it.

People like their victimhood status

I would love to hear their devs input on this. Is MattyDove74 really the type of player they want? Honestly mate, you just come off like a [mod edited for language]. I've played games since the Atari, my intense PvP game experiences are way behind me in my youth. Us older players are the ones who gave life to the gaming generation, I don't think its too much to ask for a more casual option, which in no way impacts you, without getting insulted by punks or told to GET GUD. I'm almost 40, this is my hobby, not my life. Its meant to be fun, not a e-sport. Here's a thought, why don't you go play Ark or LoL or Overwatch one of the 100 other [mod edited]-fest toxic games. Rare made Banjo Kazooie, I doubt they want only the gaming "elite" to play thier titles.

@dark-shadow9056 said in The Grief is real...:

Stop complaining, killing is a part of the game. If you think people are killing you too often, it’s probably from the beta. Let them get it out of their system before release
@Aenima123
@QuixoticFolly

That is a good point (s). I couldn't play the first two days from the "Too Late" Error, so by day 3 boredom could absolutely be a large factor in this. Constrained map with limited activities of the game. Hopefuly it is more of a 'beta-syndrome' than how the release game servers are.

@cheesehamburger said in The Grief is real...:

@saint-void I agree that spawn camping sucks, but that happens in nearly all PvP games. There will always be jerks who do it.

As for small crews vs large, it really depends on the coordination of each sailor/crew. I've run with 4 man crews that couldn't run down a sloop to save their lives, and also the opposite. That's what makes it exciting! Each play session is different.

True. I think that giving an choice of areas to re-spawn, instead of just being one island over at might also alleviate running into the same ship who is harassing you over and over.

@memmymo said in The Grief is real...:

Can tell you about my playtime with a friend yesterday.

We started out with a quest. (playing alot so not much to do regarding getting treasure) So trolling was the way to go.

Found another sloop.. sank it and found out he was solo player and he had an captains chest. Well som evil words came out of voice etc etc... and we felt sorry for him. so stayed at the same place so he would have a chance och getting his chest back. when he got closer we ran around and didnt shoot back at all and after 30 mins of trolling he got his chest back when we boarded him.

Then we set sail again to find something else to do. found another sloop that was a solo player that was out hunting for a chest so i went onboard his ship. Noticed he had a hole and wasent there so a repaired it for him rang the bell and waved. scared him alot but was fun helping him out.

Then finaly we found what we was looking for. A 4 man ship. Lets make them have a run for the money... took some time.. but they where more on the run and when we sank them we found out they had 7 chests on them. (winner winner) and then the hunt was on. they respawned not far away and we knew they would go for us 1 more time. while we where at an island and checked for our Quest. (but) they stayed at another island before going after us.... should have not done that. beq we sank them again and got another 2 chests from that.

All with a sloop duo.

And i can say everything is about tactics. even when they are 4 agains 2 with 4 times the cannon power. We won!

That does sound like fun. I did finally stay up late and play with my west-coast friends over the weekend, and it was much more enjoyable with a 4-man (mostly). Something I did notice about ship to ship combat between the different experiences Ive had with different size crews and such is that sometimes a gally will go down pretty fast and other times it will just literally never sink even though you are nailing it over and over. I wonder if the placement of shots, needing to make sure they are spread out, has anything to do with how much damage you actually inflict.

@saint-void said in The Grief is real...:

@mattydove74 said in The Grief is real...:

@dironox said in The Grief is real...:

@bigchickenbutt On top of that, it's completely your own fault if you're being spawn camped while solo or on a 2-man ship. Just scuttle your ship or leave the game and rejoin to be machmade into a different server or outpost. It's rather obvious but for some reason people still complain about it.

People like their victimhood status

I would love to hear their devs input on this. Is MattyDove74 really the type of player they want? Honestly mate, you just come off like a p***k. I've played games since the Atari, my intense PvP game experiences are way behind me in my youth. Us older players are the ones who gave life to the gaming generation, I don't think its too much to ask for a more casual option, which in no way impacts you, without getting insulted by punks or told to GET GUD. I'm almost 40, this is my hobby, not my life. Its meant to be fun, not a e-sport. Here's a thought, why don't you go play Ark or LoL or Overwatch one of the 100 other b******e-fest toxic games. Rare made Banjo Kazooie, I doubt they want only the gaming "elite" to play thier titles.

I'm 43. Im pretty average as gamers go. This game is not hard nor impossible to play solo, I cashed in 12 chests this morning solo. If you want to learn how to play, friend me up. Without PvP, im sorry but there is absolutely zero challenge to this game. None.

@saint-void About Galleons, you got to hit them below the waterline and with 2 equal crews it will come down to who runs out of planks or cannonballs first.

@saint-void said in The Grief is real...:

@cheesehamburger said in The Grief is real...:

@saint-void I agree that spawn camping sucks, but that happens in nearly all PvP games. There will always be jerks who do it.

As for small crews vs large, it really depends on the coordination of each sailor/crew. I've run with 4 man crews that couldn't run down a sloop to save their lives, and also the opposite. That's what makes it exciting! Each play session is different.

True. I think that giving an choice of areas to re-spawn, instead of just being one island over at might also alleviate running into the same ship who is harassing you over and over.

Only if you can choose, because some people would like a chance to get their treasure back.

@mattydove74 Matty, mate, I agree with you, without PvP, this game is hallow. What I have been promoting, and will continue to advocate for, is a means for players to progress at Outposts grief/camped/PK and harassment free, this does NOT MEAN non-Pirate free. I still believe in that, meaning if you leave your treasure alone, its free game, but to be killed at an outpost? I think since the spirit of what it is, imho, no. I have posted a rather lengthy post in the mega safe zone thread about some possible solutions on how to go about this, if you wish to read it. Look forward to your opinion on it, if you want to comment.

@jonatomm said in The Grief is real...:

@mattydove74 Matty, mate, I agree with you, without PvP, this game is hallow. What I have been promoting, and will continue to advocate for, is a means for players to progress at Outposts grief/camped/PK and harassment free, this does NOT MEAN non-Pirate free. I still believe in that, meaning if you leave your treasure alone, its free game, but to be killed at an outpost? I think since the spirit of what it is, imho, no. I have posted a rather lengthy post in the mega safe zone thread about some possible solutions on how to go about this, if you wish to read it. Look forward to your opinion on it, if you want to comment.

Alright story time.

We had just loaded up our 6th chest on our galleon and we were being harassed by a sloop the whole way back to the outpost. On the way we encounter another sloop and galleon fighting and steer close enough so that the sloop following gets engaged and we make a break for it. After a few minutes we see that random Galleon has dispatched their sloop, but our sloop is following us again. I manage to hit the captain with a sniper but he doesnt go down. Everyone is rushing the outpost, we slow down to circle(so the crew can swim to shore and mermaid back), the galleon rams onto shore and the sloop hits us from the back.

I jump onto the sloop and shoot the gunner with the blunderbuss at point blank and he crumbles. Next I cut the captain down with my cutlass(who must of not eaten a banana). Their boat is already taking on water from the collision so I steer it into the rocks them jump overboard. I mermaid back to the ship and see the galleon is also going down after the foolish rush to the outpost.

With all ships sunk we drop anchor and finish unloading our chests.

Now I imagine it would have been a whole lot less fun, if everyone were just able to sail right into an invulnerability field.

I also played with someone when were 2 manning who had been tent camping with a gunpowder barrel. He said he waited for over an hour and not one person showed up. AN HOUR! Yes you may get killed on occasion turning in chest, but if it is happening repeatedly, you need to take a long hard look in the mirror and say "Am I man enough to play this game?"

*edited for c****y grammar(yeah I know it's still bad...but not as bad)

@mattydove74 Mate, not to counter you, but... you are under the assumption that all players have the experience, friends and equipment you have... everyone has to start somewhere, and they may not have the experience, shouldn't have to play with friends (if they don't want to) or the equipment you do, and to be honest, this isn't the game play I am talking about, this is the game play I am trying to protect... The game play I am talking about is when a Galleon of 4, drops of 3 of its crew, then sails off somewhere else (which has been talked about on the forums, and also confirmed by players) to kill other players, not to take their treasure, just to kill them... over and over... Or a 2 man Sloop, who's sole purpose is to Hunt/Kill players across the map... That's the type of game play I am against, and I think you can identify with that. I am not trying to hinder nor impede your ability to Pirate, I am trying to protect other players, new players, players who may have disabilities ability to play with minimal griefing/harassment/camping or PKing... and that, in the end will expand the player base and provide YOU with more experiences like you had in your story. :)

@jonatomm said in The Grief is real...:

@mattydove74 Mate, not to counter you, but... you are under the assumption that all players have the experience, friends and equipment you have... everyone has to start somewhere, and they may not have the experience, shouldn't have to play with friends (if they don't want to) or the equipment you do, and to be honest, this isn't the game play I am talking about, this is the game play I am trying to protect... The game play I am talking about is when a Galleon of 4, drops of 3 of its crew, then sails off somewhere else (which has been talked about on the forums, and also confirmed by players) to kill other players, not to take their treasure, just to kill them... over and over... Or a 2 man Sloop, who's sole purpose is to Hunt/Kill players across the map... That's the type of game play I am against, and I think you can identify with that. I am not trying to hinder nor impede your ability to Pirate, I am trying to protect other players, new players, players who may have disabilities ability to play with minimal griefing/harassment/camping or PKing... and that, in the end will expand the player base and provide YOU with more experiences like you had in your story. :)

I know zero people who plays this game, except those I have meet playing the game. None of us have an equipment advantage(except the blunderbuss, save gold and BUY IT!(For reals its good if you are a bad shot like me(but make sure your close(I love you))).

I don't know what you mean by dropping off 3 guys?

Don't let yourself be spawn killed, use the scuttle option to spawn far away(it's not like you are getting that treasure back).

And yes 2 man sloops are without a doubt hunter/killers. They are good if they have an experienced crew, if your solo then run, that's what i do most of the time. You can also set the wheel straight and jump in the water and try to board them. At least try to drop ther anchor before they realize whats going on the you respawn back in your ship. If you are in a galleon then the best way to beat them is by boarding.

Boarding can also end stalemates. We defeated a galleon we had been fighting for 10 minutes, when one of our crew members boarded them and detonated gunpowder they had below decks.

You are really robbing yourself of some amazing adventures.

Also I don't really Pirate, it just happens. I would rather be left alone, but I need the danger to be there.

@jonatomm said in The Grief is real...:

@mattydove74 Mate, not to counter you, but... you are under the assumption that all players have the experience, friends and equipment you have... everyone has to start somewhere, and they may not have the experience, shouldn't have to play with friends (if they don't want to) or the equipment you do, and to be honest, this isn't the game play I am talking about, this is the game play I am trying to protect... The game play I am talking about is when a Galleon of 4, drops of 3 of its crew, then sails off somewhere else (which has been talked about on the forums, and also confirmed by players) to kill other players, not to take their treasure, just to kill them... over and over... Or a 2 man Sloop, who's sole purpose is to Hunt/Kill players across the map... That's the type of game play I am against, and I think you can identify with that. I am not trying to hinder nor impede your ability to Pirate, I am trying to protect other players, new players, players who may have disabilities ability to play with minimal griefing/harassment/camping or PKing... and that, in the end will expand the player base and provide YOU with more experiences like you had in your story. :)

@MattyDove74

Exactly. Never once did I say a no PvP mode. All I suggest is a option to play in a map with only sloops, no galleons (aka big groups.) If a moderately well-skilled 4 man wants to kill a 2 man craft, they will do it. The gally is faster, more durable and more offensive.
I akin it to something like Destiny 1 pvp did. If you are in a group of 6 people, you will get matched up with other groups of 6 people. If you join solo, you will be (typically) in a solo or low man group pool. Thats all I'm suggesting. Maybe not exactly like that, but something similiar.

@saint-void said in The Grief is real...:

@jonatomm said in The Grief is real...:

@mattydove74 Mate, not to counter you, but... you are under the assumption that all players have the experience, friends and equipment you have... everyone has to start somewhere, and they may not have the experience, shouldn't have to play with friends (if they don't want to) or the equipment you do, and to be honest, this isn't the game play I am talking about, this is the game play I am trying to protect... The game play I am talking about is when a Galleon of 4, drops of 3 of its crew, then sails off somewhere else (which has been talked about on the forums, and also confirmed by players) to kill other players, not to take their treasure, just to kill them... over and over... Or a 2 man Sloop, who's sole purpose is to Hunt/Kill players across the map... That's the type of game play I am against, and I think you can identify with that. I am not trying to hinder nor impede your ability to Pirate, I am trying to protect other players, new players, players who may have disabilities ability to play with minimal griefing/harassment/camping or PKing... and that, in the end will expand the player base and provide YOU with more experiences like you had in your story. :)

@MattyDove74

Exactly. Never once did I say a no PvP mode. All I suggest is a option to play in a map with only sloops, no galleons (aka big groups.) If a moderately well-skilled 4 man wants to kill a 2 man craft, they will do it. The gally is faster, more durable and more offensive.
I akin it to something like Destiny 1 pvp did. If you are in a group of 6 people, you will get matched up with other groups of 6 people. If you join solo, you will be (typically) in a solo or low man group pool. Thats all I'm suggesting. Maybe not exactly like that, but something similiar.

You are so wrong, the sloop is a beast.

@mattydove74 said in The Grief is real...:

@saint-void said in The Grief is real...:

@jonatomm said in The Grief is real...:

@mattydove74 Mate, not to counter you, but... you are under the assumption that all players have the experience, friends and equipment you have... everyone has to start somewhere, and they may not have the experience, shouldn't have to play with friends (if they don't want to) or the equipment you do, and to be honest, this isn't the game play I am talking about, this is the game play I am trying to protect... The game play I am talking about is when a Galleon of 4, drops of 3 of its crew, then sails off somewhere else (which has been talked about on the forums, and also confirmed by players) to kill other players, not to take their treasure, just to kill them... over and over... Or a 2 man Sloop, who's sole purpose is to Hunt/Kill players across the map... That's the type of game play I am against, and I think you can identify with that. I am not trying to hinder nor impede your ability to Pirate, I am trying to protect other players, new players, players who may have disabilities ability to play with minimal griefing/harassment/camping or PKing... and that, in the end will expand the player base and provide YOU with more experiences like you had in your story. :)

@MattyDove74

Exactly. Never once did I say a no PvP mode. All I suggest is a option to play in a map with only sloops, no galleons (aka big groups.) If a moderately well-skilled 4 man wants to kill a 2 man craft, they will do it. The gally is faster, more durable and more offensive.
I akin it to something like Destiny 1 pvp did. If you are in a group of 6 people, you will get matched up with other groups of 6 people. If you join solo, you will be (typically) in a solo or low man group pool. Thats all I'm suggesting. Maybe not exactly like that, but something similiar.

You are so wrong, the sloop is a beast.

You show me a video of a skilled 4 man taken on by a sloop and win, then I will believe you. Over the beta I have played a bunch of both, and my 4 man wrecked house on every sloop we found. There was zero chance. We also chased one across the map to see if we could. Yes, you definitely can. 1 man stearing and all sails manned to make best use of the sails the gally catches up pretty quick.

@saint-void said in The Grief is real...:

@mattydove74 said in The Grief is real...:

@saint-void said in The Grief is real...:

@jonatomm said in The Grief is real...:

@mattydove74 Mate, not to counter you, but... you are under the assumption that all players have the experience, friends and equipment you have... everyone has to start somewhere, and they may not have the experience, shouldn't have to play with friends (if they don't want to) or the equipment you do, and to be honest, this isn't the game play I am talking about, this is the game play I am trying to protect... The game play I am talking about is when a Galleon of 4, drops of 3 of its crew, then sails off somewhere else (which has been talked about on the forums, and also confirmed by players) to kill other players, not to take their treasure, just to kill them... over and over... Or a 2 man Sloop, who's sole purpose is to Hunt/Kill players across the map... That's the type of game play I am against, and I think you can identify with that. I am not trying to hinder nor impede your ability to Pirate, I am trying to protect other players, new players, players who may have disabilities ability to play with minimal griefing/harassment/camping or PKing... and that, in the end will expand the player base and provide YOU with more experiences like you had in your story. :)

@MattyDove74

Exactly. Never once did I say a no PvP mode. All I suggest is a option to play in a map with only sloops, no galleons (aka big groups.) If a moderately well-skilled 4 man wants to kill a 2 man craft, they will do it. The gally is faster, more durable and more offensive.
I akin it to something like Destiny 1 pvp did. If you are in a group of 6 people, you will get matched up with other groups of 6 people. If you join solo, you will be (typically) in a solo or low man group pool. Thats all I'm suggesting. Maybe not exactly like that, but something similiar.

You are so wrong, the sloop is a beast.

You show me a video of a skilled 4 man taken on by a sloop and win, then I will believe you. Over the beta I have played a bunch of both, and my 4 man wrecked house on every sloop we found. There was zero chance. We also chased one across the map to see if we could. Yes, you definitely can. 1 man stearing and all sails manned to make best use of the sails the gally catches up pretty quick.

The fact that they didn't know they could sail against the wind and out sail you, tells me they weren't that experienced. Other than my very first solo voyage, no galleon has run me down(or sloop for that matter).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzGCx_EjvBo

*edited for video

Completely true, also the galleons tends to show up right when you got the chests. I got a lot of patience but i gave up on solo play already which is a shame.

I've seen people claim they took down a galleon as a solo player, sorry but i have to laugh at people eating their own lies.

Even 4 new players would have no issue taking down a solo ship.

@narwhal-pirate said in The Grief is real...:

Honestky, I almost primarily sail alone and I rarely have issues with other players griefing me. As long as you are cautious and constantly on the lookout for other players, they are fairly easy to avoid.

I realize that can become tedious and annoying but Rare has stated that the game is meant to be played with friends. So a 4-man crew is what you should be running with most times.

If that's true, then why even have the option to play solo at all? They've given us single players the option to play alone, but then threw us "under the bus" by putting us in the same instance as 4 player squads. I'm not saying people are incapable of taking on 4 player squads alone. But the whole reason we don't have stat based progression is because they want to balance it out. Yet that logic is totally broken when you consider the imbalance of 4v1.

@claus1978 said in The Grief is real...:

Completely true, also the galleons tends to show up right when you got the chests. I got a lot of patience but i gave up on solo play already which is a shame.

I've seen people claim they took down a galleon as a solo player, sorry but i have to laugh at people eating their own lies.

Even 4 new players would have no issue taking down a solo ship.

I just posted a video of a guy who does it(with some on again off again help).

@wicked-recluse4 said in The Grief is real...:

@narwhal-pirate said in The Grief is real...:

Honestky, I almost primarily sail alone and I rarely have issues with other players griefing me. As long as you are cautious and constantly on the lookout for other players, they are fairly easy to avoid.

I realize that can become tedious and annoying but Rare has stated that the game is meant to be played with friends. So a 4-man crew is what you should be running with most times.

If that's true, then why even have the option to play solo at all? They've given us single players the option to play alone, but then threw us "under the bus" by putting us in the same instance as 4 player squads. I'm not saying people are incapable of taking on 4 player squads alone. But the whole reason we don't have stat based progression is because they want to balance it out. Yet that logic is totally broken when you consider the imbalance of 4v1.

I turned in 12 chests solo this morning, even managed to storm a ship, steal a marauder chest and crash their ship into the rocks.

Sir have you not seen the many many post on this subject?
Roll with a 4 man crew or get tricky with the way you sail....
I have blown up 2 galleons today by putting explosive barrels on the very very front of my ship and rammed the galleons..... guess what, there 8 salty pirates in the water as I LOL on by.
Remember, "there is a fine line between insanity and genius".

@cable0312 said in The Grief is real...:

Sir have you not seen the many many post on this subject?
Roll with a 4 man crew or get tricky with the way you sail....
I have blown up 2 galleons today by putting explosive barrels on the very very front of my ship and rammed the galleons..... guess what, there 8 salty pirates in the water as I LOL on by.
Remember, "there is a fine line between insanity and genius".

Impossible, I am very terrible at this game, so there is no way a sloop can down a galleon. I have tried and crashed into rocks everytime! IMPOSSIBLE I SAY!

In the great words of the meme lords.... GIT GUD