New Duke Shop missed the mark….

Just get over it. I'm in your same situation, but I stopped caring about those things. What's important are the memories you have when you unlocked that cosmetic in the first place.

@pure-xreactions
Hey pure haven't played with you in forever (I used to be with RaptorrKlaw and RedChief109 before I stopped playing)

I 100% agree with this, I think the way they handled the reskinned brave vanguard sails with the PS5 launch was a good example.

considering I have some stuff from that era of the game, I really hope they change this so these things I've had since I was literally in 5th grade wont be pretty much free for anyone to get if they have half a prefrontal cortex and an hour to do a voyage.

Test run. First weekenders.
There's going to be some trouble, hiccups, and many upset players.

Players happy to see old stuff they missed because game came out before them.
Players unhappy to see old stuff return and get nothing for it since they already own it.

@roborob-r66y windrose a sot killer... but lol... its a survival game....................

@roborob-r66y said in New Duke Shop missed the mark….:

just add to the list of poor choices around this change. and the reason why they deleted everyones doubloons because the only 2 new cosmetics available would cost 3000 total which even the poorest of pirates could have easily come up with. the design of this weekend garbage is also just confirmation that my choice to make this my final season is the right move. they are actively killing their own game.... good news. windrose looks like the sea of thieves killer that skull & bones was supposed to be. time to move on

I'm currently playing Windrose cuz I love survival crafting + pirate themes, and it's a very well made game. Potential AAA material from an indie studio, depending on how they keep developing it now that the early access started.

...But you gotta lay off the drama pipe 😂 this will never be a "SoT Killer", it's an absolutely different type of game, and simply can't replace it in the slightest.

If you said it would replace Atlas (which is actually a pirate survival crafting game), it would've made sense. Though Atlas is already dead as a doorknob for a few years now. Nothing to replace to being with.

time to move on

by all means, please move on. 😅 you're ~150 posts late.

@ewokbuilder its not even FOMO, it operates like a normal cosmetic shop.

FOMO is now just a buzzword, lost all its meaning.

Only cosmetics that should never be available this way are the ones relating to "Shrouded Meg" i don't have those (pretty sure the meg is a rumour started by a hard night on the rum from some pirates anyway)

@celuikilisaecon Yes, they are different games to be sure, but the numbers speak for themselves. It's an incredibly fun game and a breath of fresh air for the pirate genre.

My entire issue with this whole event is how (unsurprisingly) the players who play non-stop (streamers/CCs most notably) somehow didn't have their doubloons reset, and were just able to outright buy all the new stuff, no issue, only to have Rare patch it hours later, but they all get to keep their goodies.

Meanwhile, I get on, have my doubloons reset, and to add salt to the wound, I had one of my doubloon crate voyages lost because of a server crash. So yeah, not a big fan of this new format of "live-events" - especially when the feedback was there to make it a week-long event.

Cosmetic gatekeeping is lame and you're corny for doing it. SoT is pirate dress up. We want to have cool looking pirates, with cool looking boats. There are over 1100 time limited cosmetics that can no longer be obtained in the game. The "rarity" of a cosmetic should not be a reason for you to like it. As well, nothing is taken away from you because other players can now access cosmetics other than your false sense of superiority from having pixels another player doesn't because they didn't play on one specific weekend 7 years ago. I have the best moustache that has ever been added to game, and you can no longer get it anymore. I got it because I did 5 skeleton forts one weekend. I do not think that the game is made worse if more people can get that moustache because its a cool cosmetic and people can use it in many ways to make cool looking pirates. I think the game IS made worse by people asking how to get a cosmetic and needing to be told that they can't because they didn't play the game soon enough.

Don't be so protective of previous cosmetics.
Nobody knows or cares or what you are flexing.

Look on the bright side - given the set up of the doubloon economy only 'ploiters will have the currency to purchase your precious sniper, sails, figurehead.....ad infinitum.

@pure-xreactions Why do you think that items only have value as they pertain to other peoples lack of ability to get them? I agree, none of the items have any value aside from the personal value you put on them. I don't want those cosmetics because I want to have something rare, I want to have them because they let me make the pirate and the ship I want in this pirate doll dress up game. Like you said, the only unlocks are cosmetics. SoT is pirate dress up. So what value is there in the game making it so people can't dress up their pirate the way they want? I don't want things because of a perceived rarity or oldness, I want them because they are things that make my pirate dress up experience the way I want it to be.

BTW the "You're just a newgen who wants something they didn't earn" is one of the cringiest things I have ever read. It's a video game. The point of a video game is to enjoy yourself. Stop taking it so seriously. YOU are deciding to put value on the opinions of others and the perceived rarity of pixels. Your experience should be guided by what YOU enjoy about the game, not what you can lord over other people for some false sense of superiority. What a sad type of superiority it is anyways. You're somehow more deserving of in game pixels because you played at a specific time that someone else didn't? I have the best moustache in the game because I did 5 skeleton forts on one specific weekend. I don't think I'm more deserving of it because I played those 2 days than people who didn't play on those days, and I think it makes the game experience worse overall for most players to make it so that there are items you can only get if you play at a specific time.

I've had players ask me where they can get my moustache and I always have to tell them they can't. They ask if it will be available again in the future and I have to tell them that it will not. It genuinely makes me feel sad and mad inside to have to tell them that the cool cosmetic they saw me with in the cool pirate cosmetic game is something they will never be able to get because they didn't play once specific weekend.

@potatosord Because that's how video games, and unfortunately real life work. People assign rarity to things that are scarce/not easily attainable by others. It's the same reason why gold, diamonds, other gem stones, etc are so expensive, it's the same reason why there are literal pieces of cardboard worth hundreds of thousands of dollars, the same reason why Bentley cars are half a million or more - rarity/scarcity.

Is it good overall? I'm not really knowledgeable enough to say. But what I can say is that people are raised in this scenario of scarcity, and grow to believe in and value the things they work hard for. That's the reason people are upset; they worked for these cosmetics when they were rewards for current content, and are now being practically given away.

We can discuss FOMO being good or bad until we turn purple, but it's part of life whether we like it or not - sometimes things happen and we miss out on unique opportunities, but unlike in real life, gamers clamor for unlimited chances at getting x or y unique item.

You say it's a "sad type of superiority" to want to maintain uniqueness for items, but I say it's a sad type of entitlement to be expected to be given everything to you on a silver platter, regardless if you've earned it or not, simply because you want it. You say that a video game is meant to be enjoyed, to which I agree - but let me ask this; why is your enjoyment of a game hindered/barred because you're unable to have full access to some cosmetics you weren't around for?

Do you also go to Taco Bell and demand that they make you the discontinued chicken taquitos, nacho fries, or spicy gordita crunch wraps, and then get huffy when they won't make it? So why are video games different? It's the same principle, yet people expect video games to be somehow absolved of FOMO, when the rest of the world practically runs on it.

@valor-omega You are conflating real life physical things that have real life physical values and require resources (which cost money) with digital items that require no resource to make, there is no limitation on the number of digital items that can exist. A gem takes time and a lot of energy to make, whereas once the cosmetic has been made and released to the game, there is nothing that makes it limited aside from the devs. This is not a valid comparison.

There is no entitlement in wanting to earn a cosmetic in a cosmetic based game. At no point did I say I wanted them all given to me for free, I said I wanted them to be accessible. It still took work to get the bone crusher and famous pirate stuff. I'm still willing to do commendations, whatever it may be to earn them, but saying I'm not allowed to earn them (again, they do not require resources to remain in the game once released) because I didn't play at a specific time is not only gatekeeping for a false sense of rarity and superiority, but it actively makes the game worse for every player who joins after that point.

I have the best moustache in the game because I did 5 skeleton forts on one specific weekend. I don't think I'm more deserving of it because I played those 2 days than people who didn't play on those days, and I think it makes the game experience worse overall for most players to make it so that there are items you can only get if you play at a specific time. I've had players ask me where they can get my moustache and I always have to tell them they can't. They ask if it will be available again in the future and I have to tell them that it will not. It genuinely makes me feel sad and mad inside to have to tell them that the cool cosmetic they saw me with in the cool pirate cosmetic game is something they will never be able to get because they didn't play once specific weekend.

@valor-omega said in New Duke Shop missed the mark….:

Is it good overall? I'm not really knowledgeable enough to say. But what I can say is that people are raised in this scenario of scarcity, and grow to believe in and value the things they work hard for. That's the reason people are upset; they worked for these cosmetics when they were rewards for current content, and are now being practically given away.

Go look at the values of old cars. You can buy an old Jaguar for $10k. Used to be a $100k car. You can get a used 2005 lamborghini for under $80k when it used to be $300k. Is that unfair to the guy who paid hundreds of thousands of dollars for it new to buy it from him for a tiny fraction of the cost? What about consoles? I remember when Gamestop was selling used GameCubes for $8. Is it unfair to all the people who spent $250 on them when it was new? You talk about "this is just how things work" but neglect that digital items don't require resources and that as things get older they lose value. I have a Xerox computerised typewriter that sold for nearly $5000 USD in 1984 when it was made. I spent $20 to get it at a thrift shop. Is that unfair to the people who spent 250x as much as I did 40 years ago?

Is it "uNfAiR" to the people who bought emporium stuff that a lot of it is now free on twitch drops? Should they be compensated because they spent money on something and now someone else is getting it for free?

@potatosord Respectfully, I'm not conflating anything, nor is it an invalid criticism. If you take away the physicality of the idea, the root of the discussion (wanting a unique item that is no longer accessible), remains the exact same, no matter the medium.

My point is that in life, you don't always get what you want/get to do what you want. In every aspect of human life, and from birth, we're taught to value the things in which we put hard work into, and in life sometimes we miss things that we'd otherwise like to have taken part in, and we accept it and move on. I missed the wailing barnacle weapons due to work, but I'm not going to beg Rare to bring them back, just to satisfy my own selfish desire for some pixels - that's entirely selfish.

That is the pure textbook definition of entitlement, friend: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/entitlement - "belief that one is deserving of or entitled to certain privileges" You want access to cosmetics that were special/limited from before you even played, and expect to be able to get said items.

Your entire counter-argument is hinging on the idea that because these cosmetics hold no apparent value, that means it should just be openly accessible. Yet you yourself are applying said value to these cosmetics by implying they need to be readily available for your own gain. Why is what you want and your experience more important/valid than what others want/experience? Yea, the game is entirely based on cosmetics, but there's not a single major set that doesn't have at least one recolor (bonecrusher has at least two currently). What is so horrible about letting the original one be exclusive to the folks who actually participated?

But in either case, all that is to say that none of this discourse matters anyway, since Rare is clearly fine with devaluing people's past time/effort. But hey, at least you get to play dress up, meanwhile all veterans get is lame doubloon cosmetics we'll never use.

@pure-xreactions said in New Duke Shop missed the mark….:

@pc-monkfish oh look another new gen feeling entitled to something they didn’t earn.

New Gen? haha - is that nomenclature used in the elitist discords? Guard your precious things o my brother. Nothing is sacred.

I earned over 3k doubloons this weekend by doing my voyages and then stealing the remainder throughout the rest of the weekend. If you’re somewhat competent and put just a little time in it’s really not that hard to do.

Nah I wont't bother. Don't get my kicks from stealing the new currency off other pirates.
You also need 4.5k to buy everything in Dukes emporium (if you need it) so you better spend a bit more time stealing.
Oh and more stock will be added at the next Weekender and on and on and on it goes.
My point not exactly disproved.