Remove the fact that hourglass make adventure server more empty than they should be

@burnbacon players playing hourglass doesn't play adventure, and yet their ship are active and present in an adventure server, even if rare designed a way for players to do hourglass while defending loot, nobody is using it.

Diving has a problem yes, but at least people can't dive without loot (also people who dive tend to be super easy to tuck on, or they run in naval fight so it's not fun anyway), it's way less of a problem than hourglass, Servers are designed to always be full in players anyway and with the last upgrade they did it's even less frequent to have a "locked" server that doesn't accept players anymore.

SS has been fixed.

There is no problem if you look to fight in adventure, it's only a problem when there is actually nobody playing on your server, we just spent our weekend fighting people doing hourglass and ruining their sessions.

@blazebeard2313

it wouldn't cost more servers, or at the very least not enough "more servers" to have any impact on Rare, because Rare already know how many server slots are being used in HG, they just have to dedicate those slots on servers that will only receive HG players instead of adventure players.

on our side we just continue chasing HG matches in adventure so people stop playing the mode

@coopers-rum

at first i would have agreed, but it goes a bit further than that.

Yes if the TWO ships are counted outside the limit it's nice (currently it's only 1 ship being added on the top of the 6 max).

But the other issue is that those HG ships aren't HG until they vote for it, therefore you have ships on your server, stocking in ressources for a match, that doesn't play adventure, and once this ship has
dove, you might as well get another ship joining your server that will also dive for a match.

So unless you can vote for HG before starting a game (so it might as well be counted as a separated mode), adventure players will be affected by that, less ships playing adventure was never something we needed.

@coopers-rum

Currently the servers can only reach 7 ships (1 being entierely dedicated to HG fights), if you have only one hourglass fight happening on your server, you only "lose" one ship slot, you start losing 2 ships slot per HG fight if you have more than 1 fight happening on your server.

But even if you remove completely the fact that HG fights takes slots on your server, you still lose slots for the entire duration of ships preparing to dive for a match, that's honestly the main issue here, you should be able to vote HG before going into the seas so you don't end up wasting "adventure time" on adventure servers

@potatosord said in Remove the fact that hourglass make adventure server more empty than they should be:

Hourglass is dead because you saw 3 matches at once? Also how did you see 3 matches at once? Each match is 2 ships, plus yours would be 7 ships, and the server maximum is 6.

I never said hourglass is dead

You can see matches when checking the map at the tavern legendary hideout.

You can also see why it can happen with my comment below yours : there is always 1 ship slot entierely dedicated to HG, which can bring the limit to 7 ships

@thegrimpreacher said in Remove the fact that hourglass make adventure server more empty than they should be:

@hieroglyphe7 said in Remove the fact that hourglass make adventure server more empty than they should be:

@blazebeard2313
on our side we just continue chasing HG matches in adventure so people stop playing the mode

You are delusional if you think you will have any effect at all on the number of people playing the hourglass mode by wandering the servers for the purpose of attacking ships mid-match.

Most hardcore HG players welcome the challenge and HG is literally baked into adventure mode with commendations and cosmetics specifically for DEFENDING against HG invaders that surface while you're representing SotF or GoF but not actively diving to matches.

It was purposefully designed that way and neither your distaste for it nor the faulty reasoning behind your assumptions of why servers seem dead to you will ever change that.

@blazebeard2313
you still lose slots for the entire duration of ships preparing to dive for a match, that's honestly the main issue here, you should be able to vote HG before going into the seas so you don't end up wasting "adventure time" on adventure servers

The devs specifically do NOT want HG and Adventure mode to be separate instances on segregated servers and have been painfully clear on that intention since HG was added to the game. It's supposed to be all part of one single world out there on the seas and one of hundreds of things you can encounter. Literally designed to be that way. On purpose. INTENTIONALLY.

As for losing slots during "the entire duration of ships preparing to dive for a match", OH DEARS!! You mean the 5-10 minutes spent buying resources and emptying barrels before they proceed off into the seas and immediately disappear from your consideration forever?? That 5-10 minutes before someone else joining the game in your region logs in and gets added to your server in their place? THAT WHOLE 5-10 MINUTES? Whatever will you do with yourself for that interminable stretch of time??

Going 3rd party into HG is the only thing to do during HG bonus weekend anyway, so i don't really care about your opinion on that matter.

No way, devs are making stuff intentionally ? i thought it was just random stuff they were doing. Of course they are doing that intentionally, but does it remove the fact that people have the right to discuss about it ? Jeez.

You have to think a bit further about your last argument tho, because it's 5-10 min + the fact that you can have another ship joining, also wanting to go HG, and also adding of those other slots of ships that might just do the same as well (and i won't even mention afk ships that disappear only after being afk for 15 min which is an anomaly, ships that doesn't raise ancor with a player that haven't moved once should disappear in 5 min like before).

You simply cannot deny that the adventure servers are more empty because of HG, as soon as you dedicate slots of adventure to other "type of ships", you lose activity on adventure server, and nobody want that.

@thegrimpreacher said in Remove the fact that hourglass make adventure server more empty than they should be:

@hieroglyphe7 said in Remove the fact that hourglass make adventure server more empty than they should be:

You simply cannot deny that the adventure servers are more empty because of HG, as soon as you dedicate slots of adventure to other "type of ships", you lose activity on adventure server, and nobody want that.

I can and categorically do, in fact, deny it. People keep getting added to servers until they're full. Even if EVERY other ship on the server besides yours were all stacking supplies at an outpost before diving, they'd all be gone within ten minutes and five new ships would join in their place. This process would keep occurring until no more ships are diving out to fight and you've got a full server.

The fact that there are fewer total players out on the seas than there used to be is true, but that has nothing at all to do with HG being part of Adventure.

...and just because you don't want that doesn't mean that "nobody want that". Judging by the overwhelming number of people on the forums whining about wanting to expand Safer Seas to have everything that High Seas does, there are hundreds and hundreds of SoT players that would enjoy nothing more than seeing fewer ships out on the seas. Something as equally unlikely to happen as the developers reversing the entire foundation of Adventure Mode to make HG separate.

It stopped being a discussable thing when you start denying the obvious, you are now blocked, feel free to rant about non-common-sense things with someone else.

Your argument also goes for you, just because you think other people shouldn't have the right to express feedback because the devs intentionally do stuff doesn't mean everyone should just not talk and let dev to whatever they want without having to hear feedback.

Safer seas is separate and has nothing to do with the subject outside of the fact that HG should also be separate, no HG people want to be in adventure either, in fact they complain as soon as you bother them, end of the matter.

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@hieroglyphe7 I will note that the person you blocked is correct about how that system works. As for why the devs do stuff, you can criticize it, but the reason why hourglass is not separated from adventure is because if it was separated, it would be removed from the game for the same reason as arena, lack of player use.

I'm not sure what point you are trying to make, fair it's hard to follow all the arguments taking place in this discussion, but this isn't quite the topic.

Of course he is right on how that system works, i myself work on microsoft azure and load balancing softwares to optimize ressource usage (along with all the statistics management that comes with that), but the matter discussed here is how hourglass ship affect adventure servers.

The only fact a ship wanting to do HG join an adventure server is a problem, because this HG ship join a server instead of an actual adventure ship, no matter if this HG ship stays 1 or 30min, it's still minutes lost in the end, both when a ship is joining a server to start HG, or is currently fighting his HG match.

And this person i blocked claimed denying that fact, i cannot help him further.

As for the fact that Rare want it that way, well it's their choice, they didn't wanted an arena situation with dedicated servers, and it's a complex matter to put in place, but if i had to think about how they could make it i would configure it following this logic :

• Rare has the necessary statistics to know the numbers of servers needed depending of the day and the time they are currently.
• Depending of those statistics, you can configure your cluster in a way that depending of the day and time you are, you have more or less servers dedicated to receive only HG ships (both when they spawn or emerge for a match).
• Those dedicated servers will have specific rules such as "you cannot sail outside of your outpost since you will dive to a match anyway", and other rules to avoid any glitch or exploit that may come with it that may allow users to abuse this type of "adventure server" dedicated to HG.
• If you don't have enough HG servers at a certain point (because more player than expected play HG), you will let the extra HG ships join an adventure server as we currently know, and let them dive as usual and go fight into an adventure server.
• If you have too much HG servers, after a certain time you just let those servers become normal adventure servers.
• To put this in place you also need to put an option to directly join as HG ship when launching a session.

That's about the basics, of course it's more complicated than that once you have to configure it, Rare just didn't wanted to put too much effort in a mode that not so many people will be playing.

I hope it help better understanding my vision !

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@thegrimpreacher said in Remove the fact that hourglass make adventure server more empty than they should be:

@solobrig5954

Does no one understand how the servers actually work??

There is no subtraction going on. It's not taking up a place on the server.

You start with, say, four ships on the server. A fifth player logs in for the purposes of diving to hourglass. That ship stocking up at the outpost to hourglass is on the server for a brief period of time before diving to a match and is then immediately replaced by the next person in your region that is logging in to play.

I don't think it's immediately though, as if you cancel or can't find a match you end up on the same server. So it will have the fifth crew added to a server crew when the HG or diving crew finds a new server.

There is that indeed, that's one of the reasons the 7th slot exist.

But it's not really a matter of being immediately or not in the end, because the loss of time i'm talking about is everything else outside of the actual time it takes for the servers to put a new ship once the HG one dived.

The simple existance of an HG ship that won't contribute to adventure during its whole existance (both before diving and during the fight) is the issue.

One of the big major issue that contribute to HG being an issue is the diving mecanic, because you could in fact be lucky and have 6 ships actually playing adventure, so no HG can take place on your server, but people are now diving here and there (or leave once defeated or session ended) which again can let space for HG ships to join your server and eat your slot.

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@hieroglyphe7 The issue you have is not with hourglass, but diving in general. Diving is what makes servers seem more empty, since it will mostly be depositing dived players in areas not close to you.

That is correct, i just mentionned that in my very last answer, i'm very glad you are following on the subject.

The combinaison of HG and dive mecanics makes things worse (or just people leaving your server as i mentionned too).

My vision about this subject is that we have more chances of seeing HG being changed on that regard (due to the increase of complains about HG, and less players playing HG) rather than diving in general, i don't see Rare simply removing diving ever, i could have made a topic about diving, but i guess many other people have made that topic when diving got released anyway.

If HG is removed from adventure servers, we will have at least emerging ships that are playing adventure, no matter how bad diving is, at least it's not ships that doesn't play adventure.

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@thegrimpreacher said in Remove the fact that hourglass make adventure server more empty than they should be:

@TheGrimPreacher
...wrong in the supposition that adventure servers are more empty because of HG.

This.

It's possible that 2 of your server's 6 slots have people HGing in them, but as soon as 1 ship sinks and is removed the server will open and try to fill the 6th spot. The servers are coded to try to always be full. That's why when your server gets low on population, it merges you to another server (or people to yours)

Also, I'll state that it's highly improbable for you to have seen 3 hourglass matches on your server at the same time as that would make you the 7th ship, which, I believe, isn't possible.

Maybe you should read the last comments, the matter has already been answered, as soon as a HG ship exist on an adventure server, it means less ships actually doing adventure for the amount of time the HG ships exists , so both when a HG ship is preparing a fight, or fighting, or selling his hourglass, etc.

The subject isn't at all about how fast a server put a new ship on your server when one of the HG ships dive/sink.

@heslashthem a dit dans Remove the fact that hourglass make adventure server more empty than they should be :

The amount of ships diving in and out of the servers will affect the overall quietness of the server temporarily, but as said once those ships stay rigid and inside that server then it feels full and the way it should be. They won’t be removing hourglass from adventure so that suggestion goes nowhere.

Not sure what point you are trying to make outside of the low probability that rare will change HG (which is true, we just need to look at how much they take care of it).

@heslashthem I guess thats the point OP is trying to make.

Overall diving and activity around hourgalss like stocking then diving will make servers feel more quiet/empty for sure.

Probably by chance folks spawning from diving cloud make it feeling more alive.

Also some folks should quit preaching and start touching more grass.