Impossible to Solosloop the burning blade. Sceletons are useless.

  • Tried to solo the burning blade and ended up being attacked by brig and they just bunnyjump around ship and avoid skellys, meanwhile i'm supposed to defend against the ship aswell and manage, 3 sails(Very slow ship), bucketing, rasing anchor, stopping borders(skellys suck at that aswell) and fireing cannons not to talk about he front gun which is very hard to hit unless you ram enemy.

    Burning blade is only thing that made me come back to game, I think it's the coolest function in the game by far and I which they made it possible to have bots crew ship for players who don't have people to play with.
    I played since beta but all my friend grew tired when the promises devs made weren't kept at game launch and because it took an aproach towards children, that's why im solo but I also grew tired on the repetitive and lack of progress gameplay, I don't care about cosmetics and rep which is 50% of the game). To focus on the burning blade, the only thing the scellys do well is repairing the ship and as a solo player the burning blade isnt balanced and useless unless you are on a dead server with only sloops.

    I wish the scellys were buffed and perhaps you could have sceely sloops to help depend you if you are solo, duo, trio or squad. Since burning blade is the world event, a pair of scelly sloops would hurt server that much.

    4 ladders to defend as solo xD I mean come on.

    Took me total of 8 hours to find a burning blade only to be crushed by 3-man with doublegun who hit every bullet and scellys are brainless in so many ways. Give them machineguns or something, let me command them to hold ladders, raise sails, fire cannons, bail water, USELESS.

    Ty for reading my megatired sad post, have a nice day.

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  • @grymdraper
    Autocorrect did me no favors.

  • The thing about the blade is that you're close to invincible when you have your skeletons. Combine this with bonecallers and a reapers chest, and your enemies have a lot of work to do. You also don't really have to shoot cannons as long as the enemy is in one of your broads.

    With these two things in mind, you can just spam boards on the enemy while they board you, and you're in a much better position than they are. If they're just better than you, you'll probably lose, but that's true no matter what ship you're on. Another thing you can do is only ever fight near skeleton camps, so you can replenish skellies mid-fight, but that might be hard for a solo.

    If you're just tired of going it solo, there are probably plenty of people who'd do streaks with you on the discord lfcs.

  • It seems all your troubles come from the fact that you're choosing to go solo. The developers said from the start what the skeletons were able to do and not do. We all knew that when it first made it's appearance in season 14. On top of that, it seemed like the BB was every-other world event for a while there, so they decided not to make it spawn so often. Don't think for a minute that just because a sloop is headed your way, means you're safe. We sunk many Burning Blade's on sloops, I even have a video of us sinking one crewed by a galleon. They're incredibly agile, which means they can avoid the ashen roar much easier than other ships can. If you're on the Burning Blade and see a sloop coming, get prepared.

    Join a crew that's interested in doing it. You might have a much easier time, but always keep your eye on that horizon.

  • Impossible to Solosloop the burning blade. Sceletons are useless.

    Just did it three times alone. You just need to watch a youtube video or learn its weakness.
    Most nights, nobody bothers you. Heck nobody bothered my 13 tier.

    BUT...it is still intended to be a group/crew thing. Solo isnt ideal, and as always. Solo = Hard Mode (or nightmare for some)

    I also grew tired on the repetitive and lack of progress gameplay, I don't care about cosmetics and rep which is 50% of the game)

    More like...90%...

    as a solo player the burning blade isnt balanced and useless unless you are on a dead server with only sloops.

    About true.

    I wish the scellys were buffed

    They were, but they were deemed to strong...

    4 ladders to defend as solo xD I mean come on.

    2 if you place Traps and Kegs :P (BB cant burn)

    Players boarding the BB is predictable fight. If your fighting 3 man brig, 1-2 are gonna board. Gives you good shot to deal with there ship, force them to either keep fighting or help repair.

    But again. When BB was released, it was a beast. Now after much complaining, it was nerf. Solo = Hard Mode on all fields. If a solo were to command a OP BB, that be broken and deemed to be nerf again.

  • Not impossible, difficult yes...as solo play is intended. Against a bigger competent crew is it a surprise you will be beaten?

  • @hiradc
    The thing is I thought the sceleton crew would be useful but all they do is repair mostly and when a brig with 3 [mod edit] people know how to just bunny hop away, and also kill sceletons like nothing there isn't much to do even though I killed then over and over. I have to raise anchor, bail, rudder adjustment, stop boarder(4ladders) and there is very far between all these things.

    If I could stand at helm and tell my sceletons to raise, adjust sails, raise anchor, hold ladders fire cannons, which ship to focus etc.

    If it wasn't that it took me 3 hours to find a burning blade it wouldn't be such a problem either...

    I have no problems meeting solo or duo sloop when soloing BB.

    They could do much more to balance the burning blade for a solo player and make the sceletons much more useful and I don't know why they wouldn't or couldn't?

  • @burnbacon

    I tried using traps but my own scellys kept walking over them. I wish I could tell them not to.

    Against brig, one player can board and If I try to board they have 2 players watching ladders.
    If I leave ship to board while they also are boarding, when I get back my ship is anchored and most sceletons are dead xD

  • @europa4033
    Haven't yet had any problems with sloops on BB.
    But indeed it hangs a lot on the players in crew and their skill and knowledge.

    Devs say a lot of thing which doesn't come to flurition and they go back and forth a lot so I don't get the point that they said something at one point, game changes all the time.

    I like playing solo and I would rather like if sceletons weren't useless so I could just focus on doing that which I enjoy in the game. I have 2, soon three kids and I don't want the stress of trying to get a crew together and then spend 3 hours finding a BB and then someone has to go, maybe me because I have to tend to my kids if they wake up.(Don't game when they're awake).

  • @worst-tdmer
    The BB is very large and long distances for a solo player to run between bailing, holding ladder, adjusting rudder, sail management raising anchor etc and also to fight enemy ship meanwhile xD

  • @grymdraper My point was that it's better to go all in on offense instead of trying to defend. If you don't bucket at all it'll still take a while for them to sink you. Meanwhile, if you board them while 2 of them are on their way to board you and get them anchored in your broadside, they're kinda cooked with skellies spamming bonecallers and likely taking out their masts. Plus now you can pick up reaper chests and have double the skellies + Captains.

    Either way, if you can't handle the hardships of soloing a boat meant for 4 people, you're better off looking for a crew in discord.

  • @grymdraper the problem is your issue here is the crew size discrepancy, remember that any changes you make the skellies (i relate to wanting them to adjust sails) also applies to larger crews, thus making the bb being manned by a gally crew even more powerful. It's not an easy thing to balance.

    Edit to add you have lost me here. Like so many others you've chosen to insult other players because you were outclassed. People do not have to be unemployed to be better than you at the game.

    Just so you know if you're one of these people crying get a job when being sunk, you're more likely to be banned than people attacking you.

  • @grymdraper

    I mean, the Burning Blade made it's debut a year ago, and for someone who only came back to the game because of it, you sound like you've only just discovered this. While it's true they make changes to the game all the time, having skeletons angle sails, bail water, etc. would make a gally-crewed Burning Blade pretty impossible to sink. If you choose to sail solo, don't expect Rare to change the game mechanics because of your choice. Also, you don't have to be unemployed to be better at the game.
    Quick question, did you hop in the water and ask the brig crew if you could do another camp? If yes, the brig crew you're describing might have been us. A member of my guild needed to turn in the sword with 3 rituals on it. The moment I heard the ship was solo, we knew this wasn't going to go well for them. If it was you, GG sir.

  • @europa4033

    As I understand the amount of sceletons differ depending on the crew size so why wouldn't it be possible to vary other parameters?

  • @hiradc
    I don't see how it can't ve balanced and scaled depending on crew size? So many other thing are made to be balanced depending on variables.

    Isn't it safe to assume someone without a job and zero kids is more likely to have more time on game?

    And in this instance when I sunk to brig I didn't banter unlike they did writing toxic in chat. However if I try to use humour in my post and banter a bit, is it really a problem or are you allergic to free speech?!xD
    Why are you mad about my posts, I think all ideas are welcome to be posted no matter if you like it or not.

  • @grymdraper

    You're not going to like to hear this, and that's perfectly fine, but it all boils down to the word 'balanced'. A gally crew that has the ability to order skeletons to bucket, bail, angle sails, raise anchor, etc. is seriously over-powered. You can't give this ability to brigs or sloops without giving it to galleons as well, since that wouldn't be fair, which means all ships having that ability means the gally would again, be seriously over-powered. Keep in mind, this entire argument, is because you chose to solo the Burning Blade that's been in the game for a year now, and I'm pretty sure it was us who sank you (you haven't confirmed my question yet).

    To answer your other question presented to Hirad, when you assume things about other players, you end up making a fool of yourself. A friend of mine is married, has 2 kids, and streams for a living while playing. Just because someone has more hours than you or is more experienced, doesn't mean they're unemployed or don't have kids/real life responsibilities just because they bested you. It means you have a skill issue, and putting the blame on others when you sink, is ignorant.

    If it was you who we sank (you haven't answered my confirmation question), you need to be a bit more fair and transparent here. We chased you for a short while, then you made the mistake of involving/aggroing the skeleton gally (not sure if you did this on purpose?), which then proceeded to attack you as well. You attempted to fire a few cannonballs at us from the helm's cannon, missed by a mile, and never attempted to shoot a single chainshot to even try to disable us in the water. Had you done that, you could've turned your ship and hit us with the Roar, quite possibly ensuring a win, but again, this is just my experience in the game (I probably don't have a job right?) talking here. You couldn't keep up with the skeleton gally shooting you along with us, plus my crew boarding, got overwhelmed by your mistakes, and logged out.

    But yeah, let's blame Rare and ask them to change the mechanics of the skeletons instead (that's been functioning like this for a year now), because you're tired of being sunk as a solo sailing the largest ship in the game by a crew who are clearly unemployed without kids.

    Edit: For the record, if it was us who sank you, we said nothing to you as we attacked/sunk you, as we record our sessions, so where we were "toxic" is something I'd love to see. Also know that Rare doesn't tolerate toxicity, and if anyone said anything to you, clip it and report them. I know for a fact we didn't.

  • @europa4033

    No I dont have any recollection of the battle you are mentioning and I missed that you mentioned that In previous post.

    There are to my understanding already difference in amount of sceletons on BB depending on crew size already so that difference could be be included despite what the sceletons manage on the ships.

    Don't understand why you guys are so hung up on unemployment? Do you want me to include more kinds of reasons for lots of free time, crypto millionaire what else? xD
    That was just me using banter/humour and I didn't name anyone. The post isn't about unemployment and if you are unemployed I'm sorry if you were offended and I hope you can find a job some day!

    Are you admin or moderator since you so hung up on a word I used?

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  • @look-behind-you
    Please inform me on the offensive part so I know because in my culture easily offended isn't a thing. Usually the it's the easily offended who is in the wrong.
    Thank you.

  • You seem to be hung up on the amount/number of skeletons on the Burning Blade in correlation to the crew size. That's not the issue here. The issue is what those skeletons (regardless of the amount on the ship) are capable of, that will make the game seriously unbalanced. As we keep saying, having skeletons with the abilities to do as you suggest, makes certain crews seriously over-powered and creates an imbalance in the game that the developers aren't interested in creating.

    No idea why you thought or assumed a crew who bested you had to be/were probably unemployed, but you're the one who brought it up. You don't have to be unemployed or a crypto-millionaire to develop skills and experience in this game. It's your attempt to prove to Rare you need them to change the basic mechanics (which have been this way for a year now, and according to you was the sole reason you came back to the game), since you don't have millions of hours of free time to develop better skills at defense. Instead of you gaining experience and learning from this lesson, ("Hmm, maybe I need a bigger crew here, or I need to be proactive instead of reactive around other ships,"), you instead tell Rare the skeletons are USELESS and soloing the BB is impossible, so therefore they need to be able to do other abilities, which ends up making that ship imbalanced and overpowered?

  • @grymdraper Whether your culture/you persaonlly find something 'offensive' or who is in 'the wrong', is largely irrelevant.

    You have joined this Forum and, as such, have agreed to abide by the Rules for them.

    Remain polite and cordial, abide by the Rules you have agreed to, and there are no issues.

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  • @look-behind-you

    I'm just asking for guidance so I know what is offensive for easily offended people so I can prevent my self from being offensive. I asked what it was that I specifically said that was offensive so I can know for future. It's terribly hard when you cant joke the slightest because someone might take offense.
    Thank you.

  • @look-behind-you said in Impossible to Solosloop the burning blade. Sceletons are useless.:

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  • @europa4033
    If you want to have a discussion on why people have alot of free time you will have to start your own thread on that topic or moderator will likely complain about off topic comments.

    Now as I've said multiple times the amount of sceletons vary depending on the crew size. So no matter what the sceletons are capable of the effect can be balanced as the devs work with everything in the game. They tweak and change small things.

    You could for example order sceletons to adjust all sails from rudder and one man crew the sceletons adjust all sails but on a 4 man crew it could be that sceletons only adjust one sail At a time. Things like this has to be tested and likely adjusted over time.

    What makes you think it would be overpowered of sceletons have more Functions but vary in power depending on crew size?

  • @grymdraper repeating that other people must be easily offended is likely an example of not respecting others in the forum.

    Making assumptions about whether someone has a job or not because they beat you in a video game is insulting. You're essentially saying someone has no life, you're aware of this, but choosing to claim ignorance.

    It's easy when frustrated to be somewhat blinded by that frustration and allow it to leak through. It is fine to debate points and no one needs to agree, hence the forum. Always worth a 2nd read of anything you post to double check.

    Is this relevant, does it add value. Reflecting on other people's intentions or lifestyles with zero information is pure speculation and just demonstrates you struggle to separate these parts.

  • @hiradc said in Impossible to Solosloop the burning blade. Sceletons are useless.:

    @grymdraper repeating that other people must be easily offended is likely an example of not respecting others in the forum.

    Making assumptions about whether someone has a job or not because they beat you in a video game is insulting. You're essentially saying someone has no life, you're aware of this, but choosing to claim ignorance.

    It's easy when frustrated to be somewhat blinded by that frustration and allow it to leak through. It is fine to debate points and no one needs to agree, hence the forum. Always worth a 2nd read of anything you post to double check.

    Is this relevant, does it add value. Reflecting on other people's intentions or lifestyles with zero information is pure speculation and just demonstrates you struggle to separate these parts.

    I always view it as a coping mechanism. “This person is better than me at a game so their life must be bad”. Pretty standard angry gamer response.

  • Please avoid engaging in personal arguments and derailing the topic of the thread. It is fine to debate the content of the post, and the viewpoints therein, but disrespecting any of your fellow pirates personally is against the pirate code, and our forum rules.

  • @grymdraper said in Impossible to Solosloop the burning blade. Sceletons are useless.:

    @europa4033
    If you want to have a discussion on why people have alot of free time you will have to start your own thread on that topic or moderator will likely complain about off topic comments.

    Now as I've said multiple times the amount of sceletons vary depending on the crew size. So no matter what the sceletons are capable of the effect can be balanced as the devs work with everything in the game. They tweak and change small things.

    You could for example order sceletons to adjust all sails from rudder and one man crew the sceletons adjust all sails but on a 4 man crew it could be that sceletons only adjust one sail At a time. Things like this has to be tested and likely adjusted over time.

    What makes you think it would be overpowered of sceletons have more Functions but vary in power depending on crew size?

    Firstly, I don't want to have any discussion about people's free time, as 1- it's none of my business and 2- I don't turn my nose up at people who've bested me and accuse them of not having a job, which you clearly seem to think, so that's on you. I'm sorry you assume that on people who sink you. Hopefully one day you'll realize it's a skill issue.

    -Once again, the amount of skeletons isn't the case here. If they perform certain actions for a crew, it will become unbalanced. They tweak and change small things....to keep everything balanced and fair for everyone. To get a sense of how serious they are about this and how they take no shortcuts, it's why they removed the V-cut on the DA sails.

    -If all skeletons did on a 4-man crew was angle sails, it would free those players from having to do that. In a ship battle, that's huge for a gally crew, because if I'm on helm, I'll never have to give that order, and my crew is free to just stay on cannons or go board that other ship. If another galleon is coming to contest us, we have the advantage of additional crew members.

    -On the same token, it also wouldn't be fair to the gally crew if all their skeletons did was adjust sails, while a brig-crewed Burning Blade would have their skeletons do so much more. Why bother doing the Burning Blade as a gally then if that's the case? I shudder to think what you'd have a brig or sloop-crewed Burning Blade do (probably sail the whole ship for you lol).

    You choose to solo a gally or the Burning Blade, you deal with the consequences and extra responsiblities it requires. Rare doesn't owe anyone development time to make bots as extra crewmembers on ships just because you refuse to play with a crew.

  • @grymdraper said in Impossible to Solosloop the burning blade. Sceletons are useless.:

    @europa4033
    If you want to have a discussion on why people have alot of free time you will have to start your own thread on that topic or moderator will likely complain about off topic comments.

    Now as I've said multiple times the amount of sceletons vary depending on the crew size. So no matter what the sceletons are capable of the effect can be balanced as the devs work with everything in the game. They tweak and change small things.

    You could for example order sceletons to adjust all sails from rudder and one man crew the sceletons adjust all sails but on a 4 man crew it could be that sceletons only adjust one sail At a time. Things like this has to be tested and likely adjusted over time.

    What makes you think it would be overpowered of sceletons have more Functions but vary in power depending on crew size?

    There’s really not much more to say. The burning blade isn’t designed for one player to solo, it’s possible, but not the intention. Clearly nobody here agrees with you. I once posted a long idea of mine and I didn’t get a single response, negative or positive, or any likes. I got the point and haven’t posted about it since (in a new thread at least).

  • @europa4033
    I don't think you can say it won't work without trying it on test servers, it's all speculations on your part.

    With your logic there shouldn't be different kind of boats because having a smaller boat for solo players will give them an unfair advantage because they should just play gally alone and suck it up and 'get good" xD

    All skeleton boats are completely controlled by skeleton crews and they aren't that hard to beat xD they could be given tweaks and be completely unsinkable but devs try to find a good balance by testing and tweaking. My opinion is that it could be done with the BB to make solosailing it a bit less underpowered against larger crews.

  • @grymdraper said in Impossible to Solosloop the burning blade. Sceletons are useless.:

    @europa4033
    I don't think you can say it won't work without trying it on test servers, it's all speculations on your part.

    With your logic there shouldn't be different kind of boats because having a smaller boat for solo players will give them an unfair advantage because they should just play gally alone and suck it up and 'get good" xD

    All skeleton boats are completely controlled by skeleton crews and they aren't that hard to beat xD they could be given tweaks and be completely unsinkable but devs try to find a good balance by testing and tweaking. My opinion is that it could be done with the BB to make solosailing it a bit less underpowered against larger crews.

    I have enough experience to know it won't work. I'd LOVE to have skeletons on the Burning Blade with my gally crew doing what you describe, and know without a doubt we'd probably be unsinkable if that's the case. With masts that take 2 chainshots, a capstan that takes 10 seconds to raise, an epic weapon at the helm, skeletons already repairing, firing cannons, angling sails, my crew is free to do what they do best, and good luck. It wouldn't be fair to any attacking ship. You don't have to test this out lol.

    -Thankfully, because of how the game is 'balanced' (there's that word you don't like again), each size ship has it's pros and cons, to where one is not overpowered compared to the other. No idea what you mean by your second statement. I've sunk gallys (to include a gally-crewed Burning Blade) with a sloop. It's about taking your particular ship's strengths, and using them against your opponent.

    -Indeed. All skeleton crews do the same mechanic: shoot cannons, and repair. Giving them 'tweaks' would make certain ships unsinkeable, and I'm glad the developers found a good balance with this, to include the Burning Blade. If you want to solo the Burning Blade, that's your choice. The mechanic for skeletons is what you're given, regardless of the amount, or the size of the crew captaining her. It's fair for all types of ships. If you feel you're underpowered, perhaps you need more crewmembers, instead of asking Rare to change a balanced and fair mechanic.

  • @europa4033

    You are entitled to you opinion but it sound as if you are working as a dev with tons of experience which is not the case?

    My suggestion is entirely possible for them to program and it's up to rare and not you if they want to do it, I don't think you have the final word in the matter xD

    I've been repeating that's it will have to be tested on different types on crew sizes but saying out right that it won't work, it's not intended for solo players is just profound. I'm not saying it is 100% the way to go but it's not impossible and not a stretch from the current situation with skeletons repairing and fireing cannons. I don't get the point you are trying to make that it's not possible?

    They could set up a BB with sceletons on a test servers that angles sails, buckets water, watches ladders and experiment and tweak with it. If it doesn't work it doesn't, up to devs.

    I'm only giving my take and suggestion on the matter.

  • @worst-tdmer

    But if I would enjoy playing with a bot crew controlled by me than trying to find a crew which can take hours and I might suddenly have to DC because of personal life, isn't it something the devs could consider instead of me to just "git gud" and stop being "4-ever alone" xD

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