I just need to understand something, if you just want to kill other player, why you don’t just play Call of Duty of something else ? At this point, every single player I saw in game don’t even speak or what, just shot me and/or my ship.. If I had treasures on board or not, treatment is the same, just kill me for no reason. I love the game, but people are really exhausting. Instead of helping each other, people only think about killing each other. So this is the current state of mind of this game ? Disgusting
Why everybody on this game only want to kill other players ?
@yanisstifler said in Why everybody on this game only want to kill other players ?:
I just need to understand something, if you just want to kill other player, why you don’t just play Call of Duty of something else ? At this point, every single player I saw in game don’t even speak or what, just shot me and/or my ship.. If I had treasures on board or not, treatment is the same, just kill me for no reason. I love the game, but people are really exhausting. Instead of helping each other, people only think about killing each other. So this is the current state of mind of this game ? Disgusting
It’s disgusting to sink players in a pirate game which is clearly designed to foster player conflict?
How is call of duty in any way comparable to SoT?
What would anyone need help with in SoT, other than help versus other players? The PvE is incredibly easy, anyone could take out a FoF solo on day one… assuming no players came along to contest it.
We’re all different, but I personally would have never gotten into this game without the threat of other players. I spent my first 3 months in the Roar doing my best to avoid other ships.
@yanisstifler If you don't want to be a target, sail on safer seas.
But this game runs on the principle of first contact. If you're the crew making contact you will most likely be in the position of power and may be able to interact with them mutually. If you let them reach out to you, they will most likely sink you.
There are people that won't but you need to be realistic about the situation. If you are weak what do they gain from an alliance?
At the end of the day, they are not in the wrong for sinking you. It is a pirate game and you represent treasure and resources.
@yanisstifler said in Why everybody on this game only want to kill other players ?:
I just need to understand something, if you just want to kill other player, why you don’t just play Call of Duty of something else ? At this point, every single player I saw in game don’t even speak or what, just shot me and/or my ship.. If I had treasures on board or not, treatment is the same, just kill me for no reason. I love the game, but people are really exhausting. Instead of helping each other, people only think about killing each other. So this is the current state of mind of this game ? Disgusting
What's disgusting is getting made at pvp in a pvpve game. it's a risk reward simulation. just don't carry more than you are willing to lose.
@yanisstifler said in Why everybody on this game only want to kill other players ?:
I love the game, but people are really exhausting.
Give it some time.
Things are overwhelming at first, it can be discouraging, it takes time to get acclimated to an adventure with risks and piracy.
Right now isn't always how it is, it's just how it is right now
Focus on what you love rather than what you dislike and you'll be alright in a few months. Or you'll decide it's not for you and maybe you will move on to another adventure, that's alright too.
Pirate life is random, adventure is random, people are random, it's not always tough. Roll those dice some more, discover more of the map before you make a decision, imo.
@captain-fob4141 said in Why everybody on this game only want to kill other players ?:
@yanisstifler If you don't want to be a target, sail on safer seas.
ah yes safer seas where you cant use captain ships or anything that goes with captaincy earn next to no gold and reputation with the added bonus of no emissary on a mode where people still argue if its a pve mode or a training mode for beginners
ah yes safer seas where you cant use captain ships or anything that goes with captaincy
I agree this really isn't necessary. I get the reasoning behind it, but I do not think it was an ok idea, nor necessary. They could've just blocked all the progression/commendations/cosmetics in SS, so you need to earn them in HS. But after earning them in HS, why not allowing unlocked stuff to be used in SS. You did earn them in their main mode after all.
people still argue if its a pve mode or a training mode for beginners
On the other hand, there is nothing to argue about here. It IS a training mode at the end of the day. Rare just made one mistake in promoting it (in addition to calling it an extended tutorial), by describing it as well as a safe place for families and friends, which many (and honestly, understandably) saw it as a PvE mode.
Still, at the end of the day, it's an extended tutorial mode. At least at the moment. And that moment looks like ain't gonna pass in the foreseeable future, or ever.
You may try to ride a donkey as if it was a horse. He's still gonna run like a donkey though.
if you just want to kill other player, why you don’t just play Call of Duty of something else ?
Eh, Because its a Pvpve game and you can "Kill other pirares"
It the basic of the game, you choose how your pirate lives.At this point, every single player I saw in game don’t even speak or what, just shot me and/or my ship..
If you ever met Me, I be running away xD
just kill me for no reason.
Few Commendations, & Achievements require killing a pirate a certain way. So, yeah reasons.
but people are really exhausting.
Players who get this game and complain about its Core gameplay mechanics are exhausting to me. Like..did you guys never read reviews, description and or Listen to the Pirate Lord during Tutorials??
Instead of helping each other,
Why must I help every pirate I see?
people only think about killing each other.
Or Running away, Voyages, Fishing, exploring the map or just trying out new things.
So this is the current state of mind of this game ? Disgusting
Sea of Thieves: Action-adventure game Action being one of the many key words here.
"Groups of players encounter each other regularly during their adventures, sometimes forming alliances, and sometimes going head-to-head." another word is Sometimes. Not always or all the time, just sometimes...Seems you bought the game without looking into it first and expected a E for everyone game.
@nullvoid4558 look, you need to decide, are you sailing for the enjoyment of the seas or the money, and how much is that money worth it to you.
IF it's the money be prepared to defend it on the high seas. If it's just to sail around and goof off alone, then safer seas is it. When you get more comfortable with the ship and want to try the full pvpve experience be prepared to learn that the gold isn't yours until you sell it, and that is the fun of it.
The problem is not PvP the problem is that EVERYBODY just want to kill other player for NO reason, as I said : with or without treasure on your ship people attack you anyway. I understand that is a pirate game, but pirate have an honor code I guess… Well, people who dont’ agree with me is juste like people I saw in game and attack me for no reason. I talk for nothing here
The problem is not PvP the problem is that EVERYBODY just want to kill other player for NO reason
Commendations, Achievements. Those are reasons to kill a pirate or sink a ship.
Sinking ship also makes it easier to take your resources in your barrels. Another fair reason.If I pass a ship, I have no way of knowing if they have treasure or not. So the quickest way is either board or sink them just to find out.
The whole argument "No reason to sink/kill me" is dead in the water, there is always a Reason to do something now.
but pirate have an honor code I guess…
Yeah, one of the Codes states: Everyone is Equal on the Sea.
If your new to SoT, Welcome and think of being sunk/killed as a Welcoming handshake. Seeing many PS are just getting into the game and the best Hello is a Cannon shot :D@yanisstifler said in Why everybody on this game only want to kill other players ?:
The problem is not PvP the problem is that EVERYBODY just want to kill other player for NO reason, as I said : with or without treasure on your ship people attack you anyway. I understand that is a pirate game, but pirate have an honor code I guess… Well, people who dont’ agree with me is juste like people I saw in game and attack me for no reason. I talk for nothing here
You don't know how many crews did not attack you - it's disingenuous to say that everyone is out to sink everyone else.
I get that this is a hostile environment, but usually I try to make peace with crews before getting in cannon range of them by using flares, or by staying out of their line of fire while I speak with them. I don't have a hostile playstyle though and would be happy to make an alliance or help if I ran into you
@yanisstifler said in Why everybody on this game only want to kill other players ?:
The problem is not PvP the problem is that EVERYBODY just want to kill other player for NO reason....
Depends. There's plenty of peaceful interactions too.
I used to regularly roll up to world events another boat was already at whilst playing solo, declare I was peaceful and was chasing commendations or something in particular. Start a dialog. Some crews would agree to alliance, we'd finish the fort etc. and go our own ways, some crews would keg me, sometimes I'd keg them. Treachery is to be expected, you roll the dice.
The way you roll up on them matters a lot. If you steam in hot with cannons aimed, ready for broadside without early comms, you can't blame them for assuming intent.One thing I will say though, my crew does regularly have nights where we sink every boat on sight (cos it's fun), apart from noobs without emissary flags we need. If they're obviously new (flying the Flag of the Reapers Mark), how peaceful we are will depend on them.
And if you're sporting a grade 5 emissary flag, don't try and talk, you're up for a fight.@smuntface said in Why everybody on this game only want to kill other players ?:
@yanisstifler said in Why everybody on this game only want to kill other players ?:
The problem is not PvP the problem is that EVERYBODY just want to kill other player for NO reason....
Depends. There's plenty of peaceful interactions too.
I used to regularly roll up to world events another boat was already at whilst playing solo, declare I was peaceful and was chasing commendations or something in particular. Start a dialog. Some crews would agree to alliance, we'd finish the fort etc. and go our own ways, some crews would keg me, sometimes I'd keg them. Treachery is to be expected, you roll the dice.
The way you roll up on them matters a lot. If you steam in hot with cannons aimed, ready for broadside without early comms, you can't blame them for assuming intent.One thing I will say though, my crew does regularly have nights where we sink every boat on sight (cos it's fun), apart from noobs without emissary flags we need. If they're obviously new (flying the Flag of the Reapers Mark), how peaceful we are will depend on them.
And if you're sporting a grade 5 emissary flag, don't try and talk, you're up for a fight.Agree, if someone comes towards me without demonstrating intent otherwise, I’ll assume they are an aggressor and prepare to fight. Similarly when I’m diving with more aggressive intent, I’ll often leave a ship alone after a quick banana-inspection, aka taking their chain shots and leaving them alone. I will not sink someone, and I definitely will not pursue someone if they don’t have loot, but I might still check out their ship, and even if they don’t have anything I might still perceive them as a threat depending on the context of the circumstance.
Don't judge the whole game based on a few bad experiences. Everyone and every encounter is different. For example, after doing what I wanted this evening, I saw 2 sloops battling it out in hourglass. The reaper won. I sailed over while they did a seafort, telling them since I was about to log, they could have my supplies. They boarded and thanked me, and I logged. They didn't kill or attack me, and with the amount of supplies I had I could've sunk them.
Your next encounter could very well be your next best friend.
I bought a game that gives me cannons on my ship and i intend on using them. I am sorry to be the bearer of bad news but you didn't download a PvE game. It has always been and always will be a PvPvE experience. Maybe you should go play something else and next time research a bit more what type of game you are buying before telling people to play CoD.
@yanisstifler unfortunately this game has pvp. I always get killed at outposts by sweats who just want to fight even when there is nothing at stake. even when its obvious that I'm browsing in a shops menu. blunder to the back of the head. humans. you cant trust them. if you see me anywhere on the map i will not be shooting first. come chat to me.
Not everyone go straight for pvp but you should expect that everyone could be.when i do pvp its 90% hourglass and 10%reapers i do a lot pve in the game and im open for foarming alliance but an alliance specially as solo player is the most dangerous thing cause 50% will betray. For a quiet journey 1.check how many emissary ships are on the server 2.if a reaper on a server change server if a reaper joins later the server sell your loot dive and look for a server without reapers
@yanisstifler said in Why everybody on this game only want to kill other players ?:
The problem is not PvP the problem is that EVERYBODY just want to kill other player for NO reason, as I said : with or without treasure on your ship people attack you anyway. I understand that is a pirate game, but pirate have an honor code I guess… Well, people who dont’ agree with me is juste like people I saw in game and attack me for no reason. I talk for nothing here
Yeah don't expect to get far with defenders of the PvPvE aspect of the game. If anything, I'd be patient for when, not if, Rare expands on the Safer Seas mode to full on PvE only. Rare said over and over they'd NEVER put in any sort of PvE only mode. Yet here we are with an extended tutorialesque PvE mode that does allow you to progress certain commendations, story, acquire rare cosmetics, and enjoy the game beyond looking over your shoulder for griefing PvPers. Rare seems more open to the idea of PvE only and I'm willing to bet they'll expand on it in due time.
@nullvoid4558 said in Why everybody on this game only want to kill other players ?:
@captain-fob4141 said in Why everybody on this game only want to kill other players ?:
@yanisstifler If you don't want to be a target, sail on safer seas.
ah yes safer seas where you cant use captain ships or anything that goes with captaincy earn next to no gold and reputation with the added bonus of no emissary on a mode where people still argue if its a pve mode or a training mode for beginners
People argue about what SS is only because they refuse to accept Rare's response on the subject.
It's been made very clear what SS is and what it will stay. If people refuse to acknowledge that and continue to clamor for a change, that's honestly on them.
@fartforbrains13 said in Why everybody on this game only want to kill other players ?:
@yanisstifler said in Why everybody on this game only want to kill other players ?:
The problem is not PvP the problem is that EVERYBODY just want to kill other player for NO reason, as I said : with or without treasure on your ship people attack you anyway. I understand that is a pirate game, but pirate have an honor code I guess… Well, people who dont’ agree with me is juste like people I saw in game and attack me for no reason. I talk for nothing here
Yeah don't expect to get far with defenders of the PvPvE aspect of the game. If anything, I'd be patient for when, not if, Rare expands on the Safer Seas mode to full on PvE only. Rare said over and over they'd NEVER put in any sort of PvE only mode. Yet here we are with an extended tutorialesque PvE mode that does allow you to progress certain commendations, story, acquire rare cosmetics, and enjoy the game beyond looking over your shoulder for griefing PvPers. Rare seems more open to the idea of PvE only and I'm willing to bet they'll expand on it in due time.
Because PvP equals.. griefing? What?
@merlin-mav-k said in Why everybody on this game only want to kill other players ?:
Same as it ever was around here. There are decent folks playing the game but more than a few have always argued that the Pirate theme is basically equivalent to The Purge in their minds. There is no changing them it's like rabies.
And we still have to listen to angry complaints from people who don’t actually want to play sea of thieves as it’s intended to be played, even though the game design is obvious; we are meant to fight over things. You think that the easiest PvE ever is meant to be the end-game for SoT? Maybe you do…
“There’s no changing them”. We are not the ones that require changing, we’re playing the game as intended. This game couldn’t be more sink-friendly. You get a brand new ship when you sink, you don’t lose anything on your person, no character progression is required meaning we all start on a level playing field. What more could you ask for? Oh wait, I know the answer already, you could continuously ask the devs to make it a completely different game from the one you purchased.
Many people just can’t accept loss in video games, it’s completely unacceptable to them that they don’t win every single time.
We all sink in SoT, all of us, get over yourselves.
@r3vanns said in Why everybody on this game only want to kill other players ?:
I agree this really isn't necessary. I get the reasoning behind it, but I do not think it was an ok idea, nor necessary. They could've just blocked all the progression/commendations/cosmetics in SS, so you need to earn them in HS. But after earning them in HS, why not allowing unlocked stuff to be used in SS. You did earn them in their main mode after all.
I could be ok with that but personally id go a little further and say have certain challenges work in SS for example you could get fish caught but not cannons fired
On the other hand, there is nothing to argue about here. It IS a training mode at the end of the day. Rare just made one mistake in promoting it (in addition to calling it an extended tutorial), by describing it as well as a safe place for families and friends, which many (and honestly, understandably) saw it as a PvE mode.
unfortunately it seems so just some advertising that made it look like a pve mode and even say its pve
side note people always say if it was a pve mode people wouldn't play HS but doesn't that mean that HS is built on the lack of another option and going by that logic there's a gap in the market which business side of things seems like it would be a win/win. Im not saying make it 100% rewards but maybe 30% (have that apply on overall and do a -10% to all emissary bonuses ) instead of 70% (basically unplayable) let people have HS for pvp and do that 30% for a incentive to play pve in HS as well
You may try to ride a donkey as if it was a horse. He's still gonna run like a donkey though.
thats my new favorite saying
@yanisstifler Yep, wrote a post on this very KOS attitude, though that thread was on the side of risk vs reward.
Currently, risk free pvp is available if that is all you want to do.
@sairdontis4317 said in Why everybody on this game only want to kill other players ?:
@yanisstifler Yep, wrote a post on this very KOS attitude, though that thread was on the side of risk vs reward.
Currently, risk free pvp is available if that is all you want to do.
The only thing that any of us ever risk is time. How you choose to spend your time is irrelevant, if you don’t succeed at your goal, whether that be selling your easily acquired loot, or sinking a boat you’ve been chasing, if you fail to succeed you’ve lost time, period.
I can solo a FoF in 10 minutes, that’s far easier than trying to sink someone, usually.
@capt-greldik And if you fail you still got the pvp you wanted. Win win for lack of risk, but I digress, OP I agree there doesn't seem to be any true rhyme or reason just players just feel like it. Not a good or helpful reason again, I agree, but that is the best I was able to receive as an answer so far.
@sairdontis4317 said in Why everybody on this game only want to kill other players ?:
@capt-greldik And if you fail you still got the pvp you wanted. Win win for lack of risk, but I digress, OP I agree there doesn't seem to be any true rhyme or reason just players just feel like it. Not a good or helpful reason again, I agree, but that is the best I was able to receive as an answer so far.
Couldn’t the argument be made that fun was also had by the player with loot on their ship, even if they lose it.? How do you know that the goal of player X was only to shoot cannon balls at a ship?
If an attacker can have fun even if they failed at their goal, couldn’t a player who sank with loot on them also have had fun, even though they failed at their specific goal?
@yanisstifler said in Why everybody on this game only want to kill other players ?:
The problem is not PvP the problem is that EVERYBODY just want to kill other player for NO reason, as I said : with or without treasure on your ship people attack you anyway. I understand that is a pirate game, but pirate have an honor code I guess… Well, people who dont’ agree with me is juste like people I saw in game and attack me for no reason. I talk for nothing here
Some people make it clear that they are dominant on the seas. This may prevent you from coming over and try to take my stuff later
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