Kick crew members

please give captains the option to kick their crew members.

Hmmhmm..

This is just one possibility

Oh yeah, there others too. Not from crewmates, but the Captain themselves.

It's unbeliavable how there is no option to kick players off of your crew.

Maybe there wasn't one because before captaincy all members were equal, but that has changed now.

When did this Change? Why would it? Captain earn respect, just as much the Crew. If you have Open Crew, While you are doing stuff before hand, that just bad. Need to have crewmates before you setoff, and Close the crew.

I understand it could be used for trolling

Not really Trolling, but Bad behavior.
As MANY before you I will tell you what the other Bad thing will happen with this addon.

• You join a solo Captain on a sloop. Both spend hours together doing World Events, Sinking Ships and Voyages. You got yourself a large loot pile. Time to turn in, But what this? Your Captain is gonna kick You? Why...Because they want there friend on and give them the Gold, not you. All that work & time, wasted because the Captain has the power to choose who stays on there ship.

Just...saying. Pros and cons.

Sorry but this would get abused by bad actors. It sucks you got this kind of behaviour from the crew but you do have the option to leave or invite properly behaved pirates to your ship instead of going into open crew.

Yes should definitly be implemented, should have been there from the get-go.
To the people who talk about abuse, i can not take this serious, 5 minutes of thoughts reveal easy fixes for every possible abuse.

What they need to do:

• Captain can kick players within the first 10 mins of joining,
• Captain can kick players who are brigged
• Captain CAN NOT kick players who are in the crew for more then 10 minutes, UNLESS:
  They are brigged;
  They show behaviour of sabotage, eg.: Damaging the ship multiple times, hurting teammates multiple times, using powder keg on own ship

simple

@tesiccl I see it vastly different.

If your solution for bad open crew teammates is to NOT USE open queue. Thats not a solution, that means the game mode is flawed.

The option to leave your own game because of trolls is not an option, it is a surrender vote.
This also means you can NEVER use open queue during a voyage, as the risk for getting trolled and your progress stolen from you is just too high.

I made exactly those experiences mutliple times, so for me i cannot use open queue anymore. This cant be the solution.,

As it is the gamemode gives 0 protection for the host right now.

Why the f would you play with open crew randoms if you have a friend ready to join at a moments notice??? How does this make sense is beyond me. 99% v 1% ...PS what you wrote would be rare examples and such behaviour could be punished. Many other solutions or counter suggestions....which i rarely see here, only monotonous narrative how everything people suggest is bad.

I bet my life, if we had no (insert any content from sea of thieves) Reapers or hourglass, and someone suggested this here, to the smallest detail describing it EXACTLY the way they are in game. You people would come here qoute the guy and say how his suggestion is bad. 0 thoughts of how to make the suggestion better, 0 thoughts of how would you do it. Come on whats your purpose here, to be always negative and "teach noobs" the rightious path of 0 change. Smh

@parrotlord6426

invite properly behaved pirates to your ship instead of going into open crew.

Completely ignoring this option.

What’s wrong with surrendering when your situation is helpless? People have too much ego thinking because they're the captain that people should listen to them and respect their thoughts and feelings above others. No. You’re only the captain in the sense that the ship belongs to you. All crew mates are equal on the seas and if the rest of your crew are being trolls or not nice people, remove yourself from the crew. It takes a mature person to be the bigger one and say goodbye first rather than moan and complain about the crew then come to the forums and do the same thing looking for validation on how they feel. Sorry, I won’t do that.

@zig-zag-ltu sagte in Kick crew members:

only monotonous narrative how everything people suggest is bad.

I bet my life, if we had no (insert any content from sea of thieves) Reapers or hourglass, and someone suggested this here, to the smallest detail describing it EXACTLY the way they are in game. You people would come here qoute the guy and say how his suggestion is bad. 0 thoughts of how to make the suggestion better, 0 thoughts of how would you do it. Come one whats your purpose here, to be always negative and "teach noobs" the rightious path of 0 change. Smh

exactly. Sadly, too many people in the forums are like that. I am more then happy to simply ignore those people nowadays, as there is no use in trying to debate a brick wall.

@tesiccl sagte in Kick crew members:

What’s wrong with surrendering when your situation is helpless? People have too much ego thinking because they're the captain that people should listen to them and respect their thoughts and feelings above others.

So, rather then give protection for the captain, who is spending time and effort in his/her voyage, you give protection to a 9y old who has had a bad school day and needs to vent by burning your ship and insulting you

The problem with "Surrendering your ship" is obvious: You have to surrender your effort, you have to surrender all the loot and level 4-5 flag, and start a new session.

"situation is helpless" - it only is because there are no proper protection features implemented.

"Invite properly behaved pirates" - I didnt ignore it, the problem with this is obious, @ZiG-ZaG-LTU has alredy answered this one. If you had friends to play with, why would I choose to go open queue in the first place. You are missing the point.

One question for you @Tesiccl: What is wrong with a bann feature the way i suggested it?

@parrotlord6426 what right does the captain have to get special treatment because they bought a boat? Nothing.

You are not entitled to any special treatment or protections because you have volunteered to use your ship and are inviting random players to come on board to use it. If you’re so scared about them sabotaging, invite friends you can trust to play. It’s not on Rare to go changing the rules and make exceptions for people when the captain should have the wisdom and intelligence to invite who they trust on board. If there are bad crew members, brig them, if that doesn’t work, report them directly to Rare for toxicity.

In short: don’t use open crew.

@tesiccl Thats 0 argumentation, just your personal preference. Is ok ofc, but I cannot take that serious. its only your opinion, and you cannot give any arguments for that. In fact, you even need to ignore my many arguments, and ignore my question.
"Dont use open queue" - is, sorry, the WORST answer that can possibly be given. Thats no solution to the issue at all. Why are you talking on the topic when u dont want to debate the issue.

@parrotlord6426 your opinion but okay. Just be aware that it’s very likely Rare wont implement what you and OP want because of the facts above and what others have responded with too. That’s the reality, if you can’t accept that, then that’s your issue. Safe sailing pirate!

@tesiccl There are 0 facts that argue against it. And you cannot name any yourself either. You just ignore every argument.
I honestly get the feeling you dont even understand the issue at all. Why are you here exactly?

@parrotlord6426 listen, disagreements are going to happen on here. I’ve laid out above in replies what my argument is against what you want. You’re ignoring it and calling it my opinion. I won’t debate further with someone who is just going to spit the dummy out and question why i replied in the first place or claim I don’t understand the issue. This is the last I’ll reply to you on this topic. Safe sailing pirate.

@tesiccl Well, if you have no arguments and no interested to debate, then its probably the best. your choice.

Just so you know though, i did not mean to be mean with asking wether you understood the issue - I wanted to point that out, because I honestly doubt understand what its about. Your opinion aimed at the "crew being equal", and "captain is not special" - but thats not the issue at hand. Noone asks for the captain to be special, no one asks for the crew to bow to the captain (even though thats how this thing worked in reality). No. People ask, rightfully so imo, for protection against trolls who only destroy your session. THATS the issue. And you have 0 arguments for that, your solution as I read it was to "not use the gamemode" - what kind of solution is that even supposed to be. Like the gamemode was designed for trolls?

And I sincerly believe if you would PLAY the gamemode, and EXPERIENCE first hand how it is, you would understand the arguments of the opposing faction. I do after all understand your points. I just think they are not the topic at hand.

@devtryak ah, yes, but in a 4 man galleon, if 2 toxic people join, you cannot brig them. You have to suffer through it without any way to help yourself or your ship.
I understand a banning option could be abused - but imo there could be easy fixes to minimize or negate exploits intirelly. Like mentioned above.

@parrotlord6426 sagte in Kick crew members:

Yes should definitly be implemented, should have been there from the get-go.
To the people who talk about abuse, i can not take this serious, 5 minutes of thoughts reveal easy fixes for every possible abuse.

What they need to do:

• Captain can kick players within the first 10 mins of joining,
• Captain can kick players who are brigged
• Captain CAN NOT kick players who are in the crew for more then 10 minutes, UNLESS:
  They are brigged;
  They show behaviour of sabotage, eg.: Damaging the ship multiple times, hurting teammates multiple times, using powder keg on own ship

I wanna expand on that real quick: I think these suggestions would give protection to the host, as well as a fair protection to loyal teammates. Win Win for both and everyone who wants a nice gaming session.
Maybe even give the "sabotaging" player a warning once he commits his crimes, to warn him that he might be up for banning by the captain if he continues, dunno. The game tracks most of the stuff happening ingame, so I guess writing a code for that should not be too time consuming.

I wanna emphasize: The point i am trying to make is NOT to give the captain a special status, but to give the host of the game some way to defend his gaming session. Maybe there are better ideas out there/maybe my points could be further elaborated on?

@typicalink500 for clearance. "to brig" - Yes, to "brig" someone means to jail them. Not to be confused with the "Brig" as short for Brigantine, the 2 Mast ship ;).
And yes, agree to your points.
To brig someone is one solution, but not available at every scenario, and also not the best: Almost every person I ever managed to brig kept on staying on the ship, out of spite for the brigging i assume. Like this the person keeps taking away one space on the ship, basically continuing the trolling with that behaviour, and creating, or rather continuuing, to give the crew a really hard time like that. Having one member missing is bad on every ship type.

edit: just reading it: The sloop used to have a brig, at the location where the bed is now. But it got removed, due to the brig not being usable on a sloop. You cannot get a mayority vote on the sloop, so noone is ever gonna get brigged there. Ofc this leaves the sloop with literally 0 options when it comes to sabotaging players in open queue.

@parrotlord6426 okay I’m going to reply only because it’s the right thing to do.

That’s fair, it’s hard to gain what a person really means over the internet unless it’s explained almost condescendingly but that’s cool, no harm done.

I do have to say this. I have played over 5000 hours in this game. I play a lot of open crew, I have much experience between sailing on my own and with a crew I’ve formed, so please believe me when I say know exactly what you’re talking about. I know first hand what it’s like to be abused, trolled, killed, and brigged by crew mates for doing nothing but showing up. I speak with experience under a lot of different situations, and as much as I’d like to see a way for bad actors to be removed from the seas as easily as kicking them, I know it’s open to abuse, this is a major element of why I believe they haven’t brought it in. Sometimes the best ideas do more harm than good, and having cooldowns on things (as suggested above) may complicate the issue rather than simplify it. I’m also not claiming because I’ve played more hours than you (?) that my stance is superior. It’s not. I’m just seeing it from both sides of the coin and thinking pragmatically rather than allowing my own personal feelings to get in the way of what I want. That’s all :)

@typicalink500 While I stand on your side of the argument basically, I am not in favor of your current approach. You are asking for changes on the basis of the game design right now, even though you probably didnt intend that.

"The captain owns the ship, and so should have priority when deciding if someone should be brigged" - I disagree on that.

I get the idea behind it, its not wrong imo, but it would change the existing principle too much. In RL setting, the captain was the supreme command on the ship.
In SoT however, every crewmate is supposed to be equal.
Thats also why every member can do everything: Steer, shot, manage sails, cook, etc.
With this principle in mind, the captain should not have the power to brig someone due to his "status" - things like "Status" simply does not really exist in SoT, wether thats good or bad.

I can also see there are ways to exploit an unregulated "Kick" feature - like people pointed out, I could simply kick everyone at the end of a 2 hour session and invite my friends to share the loot with. Not very fair. This would happen, and then we would have forum discussions about why the captain can kick loyal teammates. I dont want abuse in either direction.

If you get trolled by the captain you would lose the same as with trolls now: You would lose your hard earned progress, your loot.
The report feature is not suited to hinder trolls on the open queue. I think it is also not suited to hinder captain-trolls. It is good to report people, but doesnt help in the situation itself.

For the sloop it is a difficult situation, I agree. There where times (back when the brig was still i thing on sloop) when i wished i, as host, could brig/kick my troll teammate, as there is no option available to deal with these people right now.

Yet again this highly abusable mechanic finds its self getting requested rather than soloing or actively recruiting a crew from a trusted discord.

Simply put, anything that can be abused severely by unsavory types when you have a solution already, is a hard no.

@goldsmen What solution to be exact?
Your call for "recruiting people via discord" is essentially suggesting to not use the game mode.
Thats no solution, as others pointed out, its a surrender to the issue.

"highly abusable mechanic" - disagree, as pointed out alrdy. possible abuse can easly be targeted by proper implementation. It isnt even a difficult thing to do.

@typicalink500 said in Kick crew members:

(...) About all members being equal, i also agree on that, but the captain has bought the ship,

Yes, (s) he has.

the voyages,

Crewmates can buy (Captained) voyages as well, also non-captain voyages can be used in a session.

the cosmetics, etc.

Other people than the Captain can use their cosmetics on someone else's ship if both so desire.

and should have the priority if someone decides to ruin everything. (...)

Only because they bought the ship ? I'd rather not give them power to ruin other peoples' sessions, just because they had a few 100k gold and spend it on a sloop.

Troll players are bad, unfortunately this suggestion (and others like it), give way to players to troll in another way and have it sanctioned by an in-game mechanic.

@parrotlord6426 said in Kick crew members:

@goldsmen What solution to be exact?
Your call for "recruiting people via discord" is essentially suggesting to not use the game mode.
Thats no solution, as others pointed out, its a surrender to the issue.

"highly abusable mechanic" - disagree, as pointed out alrdy. possible abuse can easly be targeted by proper implementation. It isnt even a difficult thing to do.

Open crew is not a game mode, it is a method of recruiting a crew, and the single worst method currently, but something that can deny some one a rare loot item, shrouded ghost, or just flat out deny some one loot at all because their friend decided they wanted to get on, is not a mechanic i will get behind. Using a reliable discord over a totally broken system is entirely viable reasoning.

As for disagreeing that it isnt highly abusable, i have seen people brig some one after they put down a gilded voyage in an attempt to force them to leave for a friend to take their slot, making that job easier for those who do so is not a good thing. So i would say that is proof enough that there are unsavory people out there looking to abuse such mechanics, and its VERY hard to prevent such action if the person putting the voyage down is not the captain.

@goldsmen

• "is not a game mode", but a recruting method - agree, but I believe you know what i meant, no need for word games ;)
  Using discord instead of that recruitment method is simply that - another method. Does not help the method of open queue in any way though. Ofc its a viable solution - but thats not the point at hand.
• "So i would say that is proof enough" - a single example is not a proof of any sorts. Its an example, among others, nothing more, nothing less.
  I believe you didnt read into my suggestion entirelly. I do not approve of making the job easier for abuse of any kind, nor do I believe me suggestions enable that. If so, my suggestion could be altered/debated upon, but its still better then not having a suggestion at all.

@tesiccl
I dont really understand how a kicking option would be open for abuse if implemented properly. Can u plz elaborate on that?
I did not read anything about Cooldowns in this topic, would certainly not be my suggestion either, but I dont know how cooldowns should be implemented in any way here. I believe you didnt mean my point about time limits for kicking of players, as I think this would be a very good solution to counter abuse, has nothing to do with Cooldowns though.
Well, agree to disagree i guess. Yes you do have more hours certainly, but I believe after a certain amount of time, it is not important anymore. The experiences have been experienced.

@parrotlord6426 I can only really elaborate if you can explain what would need for it to be properly implemented.