All the 'sweaty' things that still are in game for some reason, but should be removed. AKA little tricks which will help you kill sweats or at least equalize chances against them

I never could get animation cancel to work on anything except the shovel. Gonna assume it’s a setting I have that stops it or something.

But yes, these things should either be fixed so no one can do them, or made so everyone can do them(aka they just don’t exist).

Sounds good! Another "feature" that should be addressed is dummy-sailing, which all new players should be aware of. The maiden voyage instructs new players to intuitively angle the sail to catch the wind, but in reality the opposite is true where it's fastest to angle the sail or sails squarely against the wind, when sailing against the wind at 45 degrees or less. Since RARE isn't addressing this "feature", the least they could do is to properly inform new players about this assumedly unintended game-meta.

I'd agree with all of this except loot juggling, I can't remember the last time I had "fun" moving a single chest across an island, it rarely ever changes anything in a combat encounter that it would be perfectly OK to leave it, make it some sort of little skill gap difference for the experienced guys to make it slightly more bearable moving stuff

This thread reeks of skill difference/refusal to be advantageous. There is a difference between equal playing field and a skill gap, being able to do something faster because you know what you're doing is a fine skill to have. In a broken game like this anything that isn't flipping boats or auto-repairing far out at sea is probably more tolerable and can be evaluated to be a skill difference.

Sprint-cancelling, as I think I've mentioned before, is a consequence to sprinting auto-holstering items, running to grab a quick bucket of water from the bottom of your boat is smooth gameplay because of sprint-cancelling, rushing a close range blunderbuss shot to a nearby enemy is possible by sprint-cancelling.

Animation cancel on the bucket was already patched out of the game, it is impossible to singlehandedly save a scuttling ship with animation cancelling, hell, it is impossible to singlehandedly out-bucket the amount of water filling your sloop, so if you have too many holes, you're sunk no matter how much you try.

While grabbing the sloop's ladder from the ship's window is definitely unintended, it's also what I would consider a very skillful maneuver to avoid getting cornered while boarding a sloop crew, especially since going below deck forces you into extremely tight corners the sword can trap you in.

I feel like item juggling being treated as an issue has always been irrelevant, because you're not that much faster with that maneuver, and in a combat scenario, you're probably dropping your item to fight off the enemy (or die trying).

Your honorable mentions are things that should be put in Gameplay Guides + Tips, instead of trying to forward a thread of complaints about the skill difference. It's one thing if the game isn't very fresh-install friendly, it's another if the game's community that fresh-install is in refuses to teach said fresh-install about secret maneuvers that the game wouldn't tell you. Intended or not, this game is about survival, and knowing every trick in your book to remain victorious/ease stress is necessary in a cutthroat, unintentionally archaic game like this.

You can go onto ladder through sloop's window.

Close the windows…..does nobody know you can do this?

Użytkownik @n0soup4u napisał w All the 'sweaty' things that still are in game for some reason, but should be removed. AKA little tricks which will help you kill sweats or at least equalize chances against them:

It's truly upsetting that I'm at an inherent disadvantage against people because I didn't do my "pvp research" on a game that should be functioning as intended. That being said, I'm not entirely sure how you would fix the harpoon grab you mentioned because that seems like it's functioning as intended the only difference is that someone was able to get within it's range to grab it.

Very simple actually. All it would take is to add extra condition to be met before player can use harpoon. "Not in the water" + "In range" as conditions met at the same time would result in player getting prompt to use harpoon.

Użytkownik @burnbacon napisał w All the 'sweaty' things that still are in game for some reason, but should be removed. AKA little tricks which will help you kill sweats or at least equalize chances against them:

You can go onto ladder through sloop's window.

Close the windows…..does nobody know you can do this?

You can open them back in less than a second... Don't you know this?

Użytkownik @nex-stargaze napisał w All the 'sweaty' things that still are in game for some reason, but should be removed. AKA little tricks which will help you kill sweats or at least equalize chances against them:

Animation cancel on the bucket was already patched out of the game, it is impossible to singlehandedly save a scuttling ship with animation cancelling, hell, it is impossible to singlehandedly out-bucket the amount of water filling your sloop, so if you have too many holes, you're sunk no matter how much you try.

Oh yes I did check just now, bucketing can't be cancelled now. That's good. Sprint cancelling should be removed even more then as it's even more impactful.

While were at it let's just make cannons and bullets RNG...

Why not learn the mechanics and use them instead of ruining the game for everyone who enjoys them...

@personalc0ffee said in All the 'sweaty' things that still are in game for some reason, but should be removed. AKA little tricks which will help you kill sweats or at least equalize chances against them:

There is WAY too much sweat in SoT that it is not fundamentally, technically, and mechanically built for and was never intended to support.

Sweat is gonna happen in any game you play, someone is going to min/max every single action the average player can do to save time on actions or to have an advantage in a fight. Most of the min/max'ing this game has are oversights on functions that work normally. Going beyond what you thought you were normally capable of is the fun of gaining skill.

SoT is a game that could do with good implementations of skillfully used mechanics, but as it stands now, the "sweat strats" are mostly valid and don't make too much of a stark difference, but really requires endorsement and teaching that isn't this egotistical and stingy-on-information playerbase.

The animations are present for balancing purposes, the animations balance damage dealt per second and healing times. Bypassing the animation gives a significant advantage in PvP against someone who is not A using them and B double gunning (you can't animation cancel a sword). I use some of these exploits myself and I hate it, especially when I use them on newer players. It's downright unfair and I can only imagine these players I've just silent boarded and pulled my weapon out faster on them feel like quitting afterwards.

Exploits doesn't = skill. You can be competent at the game without them.

Yeah I appreciate true skill over exploits that give upper hand, even though it takes skill to master them, but they are still exploits that give leverage over other players, might as well give boosts or have late game weapons that do extra damage and stuff.

Make Sea of Thieves great again. The only exploit that can stay is sword lunge that helps to speed up PVE

I'm all in favour of fixing exploits ! Yay !

Just my 2 cents about "juggling" :

While it's OK with loot I guess, let's not forget some other uses :

A player swimming underwater with a keg towards your ship. Juggling definitely breaks the speed intended by the developers in this case.

@wolfmanbush

On the timing sided it does if a player can sell loot faster, they can then Engauge in a fight quicker. If it was stolen loot, they can then sell loot faster leaving the server before the crew of the stolen loot has a chance to battle.

Keg play often use this one in water this is not animation canceling but a combat advantage. Sprint carrying on low ping plays a massive difference than a player on over 100 ping.

@n0soup4u

Have to agree here being able to grab a Harpoon to get on to a ship as long as all players can do the same action is fair play.

Same with grabbing an item to stop a sword lung that is just being aware of your surroundings. Combat animation canceling removes that animation all together this is clear it's a glitch not intended in game. Grabbing an item is attended.

@ceeofdeez

Fort tuck towers this could be fixed but honestly not a massive change in way of combat advantage.

Capstan Blocking cheap battle strategy. First off, every player can do this, and these are in game items. They are just using the object available to them to block an action (part of the Game). This is an advantage and disadvantage if attacking crew has an Achor ball well then.

You the player have the same advantage this is not an issue. Be in control of your environment meaning your ship. This means with crates you can lay things out how you and your crew like giving you the advantage of knowing where things are. Difference of experience not a in game glitch.

If you track a ship into the red sea, you can recover loot it's hard but can be done you must stop on the edge of despawning you can recover by harpooning. Not a Combat Advantage.

Multi-buying supplies not a combat advantage you can gather loot still this only adds to the time it takes. If you have a good crew this is barley an issue. Can be fixed ether way not a combat advantage

harder said than done. The ladder is a side effect of the distance ranges for grabbing the ladder and the fact that you can grab any ladder from any angle. It just happens that certain spots by the sloop windows are within that range. My problem is that there's no 0 distance for grabbing the ladder. If you get too close, you can't grab the ladder (i.e. doing a ladder jump and hitting the side of the ship at the same time you hit the button to grab the ladder).
The Juggling was supposed to be removed, but it just became harder. PC players can still pull this off with ease, but it's much harder with Xbox.

@a10dr4651 "Exploits doesn't = skill. You can be competent at the game without them." This should be put on a billboard with multicolored lights and drumming sound and whistles and the letters should blink on and off to make sure players see it and it burns into their retinas (too extreme I know).

Dude, no way. Maybe I'm so strongly against this because me and everyone I know has thousands of hours in the game, but also, I feel like that lowers the skill ceiling so much. If a newbie wants to be good, play the game. Learn the little tricks. The little tricks and knowledge is the only difference between an experienced and a new player, as the weapons everyone gets do the same damage, so taking them out would be detrimental. Also, when a new player discovers these new things, it's always exciting. I remember being excited learning new little tricks and learning to use them. They add a level of depth to the game imo.

@a10dr4651 said in All the 'sweaty' things that still are in game for some reason, but should be removed. AKA little tricks which will help you kill sweats or at least equalize chances against them:

The animations are present for balancing purposes, the animations balance damage dealt per second and healing times. Bypassing the animation gives a significant advantage in PvP against someone who is not A using them and B double gunning (you can't animation cancel a sword). I use some of these exploits myself and I hate it, especially when I use them on newer players. It's downright unfair and I can only imagine these players I've just silent boarded and pulled my weapon out faster on them feel like quitting afterwards.

Exploits doesn't = skill. You can be competent at the game without them.

What about sword lunging making you faster in water? Or blocking before lunging letting you jump to go further? Should those clear exploits be removed too? They aren't intuitive...

Also, you can animation cancel sword. Kind of. If you slash, animation cancel, and then block, you can block jump a lot quicker than you otherwise would've been able to. Animation canceling sword USED to be in the game more, but it was removed a long time ago sadly. It made for some fun sword play from what I've heard.

@adara-haze

Shrine Statues lol. You can put loot in them, use a Pirate's Life portal and take loot to the new server. ...

I haven't checked if this works for hourglass yet.....

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