Disable alliances when running hourglass

@maximusarael020

"Why did they make it so 3rd party ships could enter the battle? Why did they make it so that Alliances could benefit from the Allegiance gained? You're ignoring that Rare specifically allowed this to happen. "

Or mistakenly did not disallow it.

Its more likely it would have taken way too long to put systems in place, that disallow this kind of behavior, hence the system was left simple:

Sink servant as guardian, get streak and rep.

I am voicing my opinion againts unfair play that directly ruins other players match making.

Alliance servers previously didnt affect other players so no one really cared. Now they are out there ruining the matchmaking system by ganging up and creating an completely unfair match with up to 13x times more players againts you.

If you wish to defend this system and tell me its good for the game go ahead. You will not change my mind about it.

Reward fair play, do not reward unfair play that ruins other peoples match making.

@dragotech123 So PvP players should get less cool rewards is what youre saying?

While everything cool in the game so far has been behind PvE content?

Geez, what ever floats your boat. But lets not derail this thread any more with this.

@maximusarael020

"The invasions will still happen frequently enough"

Sure, but the cheesers and unfair-players would get 4x less rewards for doing so.

In addition to this, the battle zone could be made red sea to any hourglass-active ships while the battle is on.

This would make it harder for the alliance unfair-players to be there to ruin the fun.

4x less rewards and harder time cheesing it is a good enough compromise in my books.

@i-jusa-i That is fine that it is your opinion. I'm just telling you facts about what Rare specifically said and did in regards to 3rd party fighters and Alliance rewards, and explained how even without the shared rewards there would still be an advantage to being in an Alliance even when you couldn't understand how that would work. My point still stands, removing shared Alliance rep won't do anything to curtail the practice, as it is still an advantage.

Your argument for why they currently can share allegiance is "Oh, um, Rare forgot". Saying "Rare always intended for it to be 1 crew vs 1 crew" is empirically wrong. Just wrong. And saying removing the shared Allegiance will solve the issue is also just very wrong if you stop to think about it.

@maximusarael020

" regards to 3rd party fighters and Alliance rewards "

Sure thing, I'm also telling you facts about Rare saying its a "Skill based match making system" supposed to give you a fair fight.

" "Rare always intended for it to be 1 crew vs 1 crew" is empirically wrong. "

But they did say its supposed to give you fair fights.

"saying removing the shared Allegiance will solve the issue"

Removing or making cheesing rewards 4 times harder for the people who do this to get rewards easily wont do a thing and wont matter at all and wont reduce the likelyhood if it happening. Sure thing.
If something is very wrong if you stop to think thats it right there

Anyways, you have proven to me youre all for unfair play in a supposedly fair system. I wont be replying back to you any more. You have the right to think unfair play is good for the system, I will not stand for unfair play and ruining others matchmaking by ganging up on a solo slooper with 3 galleons on my side.

@i-jusa-i

Unfair play is part of the game. It's a PvPvE sandbox game. If you can't handle that, and the systems that the devs specifically put in place, there's always creative mode in Minecraft.

Cheers.

@dragotech123 Are you loss farming? If so, I'd suggest just giving up on the mode until it is better suited to you or sinking in the time and effort until you feel like you are good enough so that winning is viable. Loss farmers kind of ruin the mode.

@maximusarael020 you may be right people might still defend and sink whomever pops up, but if all the ships are doing this and it’s just the one getting invaded getting the allegiance and it’s not guaranteed that everything ne will be invaded at the same rate or at all. How many ships stick around to continue to help others farm Rep while they get none of their own. Seems it would at least limit this more than we’ve seen. Just a scummy tactic. Just like the people that run for 2 hours hoping other will just leave the fight. Take the loss if you can beat the other crew stop making it miserable for everyone else. Such a pity that people are so petty about a character “skin”

The audacity of PvPers rolling up on Tall Tale solo sloops with a fully stocked sweaty double-gunning Galleon crew for 4 years saying "Pirate game! Git gud!" and saying they do it for the love of PvP are suddenly all "What is this?! It's not fair, I say! Not fair! Please Rare fix this game because I'm just so sad that it's not fair now."

Pathetic

@dragotech123

I don’t see a problem with loss farming so long as you try to put up a decent fight. I have rammed a few ships and hopped on an enemy ship in a desperate attempt to fight them off. Even if I kill a few my ship is eventually lost because I can’t repair it.

So long as you fight, people don’t care if you throw the fight.

@maximusarael020 said in Disable alliances when running hourglass:

The audacity of PvPers rolling up on Tall Tale solo sloops with a fully stocked sweaty double-gunning Galleon crew for 4 years saying "Pirate game! Git gud!" and saying they do it for the love of PvP are suddenly all "What is this?! It's not fair, I say! Not fair! Please Rare fix this game because I'm just so sad that it's not fair now."

I can't believe I'm saying this, you're describing the wrong PvPers here.

Those "git gud" people are so used to rolling up on alliances at world events that this kind of challenge, while not welcome, is second nature to them. Most average PvP Players, like the ones having a complaint about invading alliances, usually turn away from a chance to steal from multiple boats at once at the risk of losing everything and their effort being wasted. This situation is now forcing them into a fight they normally choose not to get into and they don't like it, immensely.

@dragotech123 Yeah, fair enough. The problem with loss farming isn't just a couple of people doing it, (like right now), but if it was incentivized further and like every other game someone just threw? I think that would kind-of ruin the gamemode.

Like from personal experience, my last sink to get level 100 in reapers was ruined because it was against a loss farmer. Too much incentive to do that and too many people intentionally losing and the gamemode isn't really fun.

@ix-indi-xi a dit dans Disable alliances when running hourglass :

RARE stated that they want the excitement of having other ships around that can intervene (Whole reason this season is in adventure and not a separate gamemode like Arena was.)

I'm pretty sure the main reason is that having this mode be in adventure makes it easier and less costly to maintain than Arena was in the long run.

@ix-indi-xi

I can agree with that. The base curses should be easier to attain and the golden variations should stay where they are.

On that note, there isn’t much incentive to get past level 200 in both factions. There needs to be a Glorious Sea Dog style of cosmetics for both Guardians of fortune and Reapers Bones. They should be set at the 500 level or so.

@dragotech123 Pirates dont use a skill based match making system designed to match the smae ship size and same crew size together either.

This is no longer a 100% sandbox game mode.

@nex-stargaze Theres a big differnece between 4 ships waiting for you, ready for a fight with the only goal of sinking you and a normal adventure PvE alliance.

I am completely fine with fighting an alliance in normal adventure, but not while taking a part in a sbmm system supposed to put me in a fight againts a ship of same size, also reducing the space I can sail to while not reducing the size 3 of their ships can sail to...

@i-jusa-i hopefully the new update that’s allows same faction fights to occur and to add streaks will “fix” this issue. If not I’ll provide the fix. I’ll gladly joint the alliance and then commence to sinking all of them every single time I find this occurring. As to the alliance’s in adventure, I LOVE hopping into an alliance server and creating havoc, however I also am aware of the odds and stock and prepare accordingly. When I am solo slooping in S8 and get put into a battle against 4 ships I lose all ability to strategize accordingly and just get to hope Rare moments allow the win.

Another option would be to make the battle area and ships within that immediate circle a ThunderDome, many ships enter 1 ship leaves. Again hopefully the new update in 2023 fixes some of the alliance cheesing.