@lormiun nope you got no proof I can see just as good with kraken sails as DA sails or normal sails for that matter
DA Sails issue
@maximusarael020 said in DA Sails issue:
@lormiun Like I said, I just sank another over lunch. 🤣
You know, I actually don't believe you :)
You have fun with the torture of monotony on the seas that you yourself perpetuate. I think I'll be heading to other threads now. I'm clearly not getting through, and now you think you're Da Vinci or something.... Anyway.
It is 100% understandable that some ppl like to delude themselves over certain topics.
But the "getting through" part is usually not done by them.
That said, I tried my best to get through to you 👁
After all, what I advocate for is an improvement to the SoT.
You just argue against it for the sake of Denial ... sad rly.Happy sails.
How true.
PS: It was Galileo, but that was just a hint. I feel that such a name is a bit too esteemed for a "conversation" like this and I wouldn't dare to compare myself with a genius like that, it just fit too well thematically because of sight.
@otherfanboy said in DA Sails issue:
@lormiun nope you got no proof I can see just as good with kraken sails as DA sails or normal sails for that matter
I posted the proof on YT along with a bunch of others 🙃
There's also plenty of pictures.
Or you could ofc just equipp them on the bigger ships yourself, clear your mind of delusion and simply ... look at them in comparison ...
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No you can't "see just as good with kraken sails as DA sails or normal sails for that matter" XD
But nice try.Hhhh ...
Especially in combination with customizable Harpoons and Lanterns ...
How awesome would it be if there was such a thing as a Sail-Shape-Editor ...
It is far from an unreasonable point :)If only Rare would drop a hint.
@imdinonuggie said in DA Sails issue:
I see no problem with people using DA Sails, even if they are used quite a lot. I think people should be able to use whatever cosmetics they want. I see no reason to care that much about it. Especially if it's not even on your boat.
Ofc we should be able to use whatever we want ... that is not the issue XD
The issue is precisely that a lot of us, myself included, feel forced to use the DA-Sails because of the advantage and even more then that the increase in QualityOfLife they provide for whoever stands at helm. Kind of a big deal in a system that has its entire progression system revolve around customisation ...The ideal solution for this would be some kind of Sail-Shape-Editor. (Maybe in combination with customizable Harpoons and Lanterns)
Ofc there are "cheaper" solutions, such as re-desiging the DA-Sails which WOULD solve the issue ... but would kind of suck tbh.However, customization.
That is what this is about, nobody wants to "forbidd" anyone from using anything.@lormiun It might not be THE issue, but it's definitely apart of this conversation. That being said, people overhype DA sails for many reasons. Them being an "advantage" is really not all that true in my experience. A good helm will never need a V-cut. Can they be handy, I mean sure...but maybe 1 in 50 crews that I'll run into are actually decent with those sails equipped. I don't think the combat changed at all when they were added besides a new stereotype.
A sail editor is a pretty unique Idea. I'm not quite sure how it would 100% work, but it could definitely be some form of solution. Not one I would be fond of personally (but that's just me).
And I do understand what you mean about this being primarily focused on customization rather than forbidding one to use whatever they'd like. But...I have seen a couple posts saying statements along the lines of, if someone uses these sails they are no longer creative in their chose of cosmetics. Which to me is not true. There are people that truly like these sails purely because of the way they look.
@imdinonuggie said in DA Sails issue:
@lormiun It might not be THE issue, but it's definitely apart of this conversation. That being said, people overhype DA sails for many reasons. Them being an "advantage" is really not all that true in my experience. A good helm will never need a V-cut. Can they be handy, I mean sure...but maybe 1 in 200 crews that I'll run into are actually decent with those sails equipped. I don't think the combat changed at all when they were added besides a new stereotype.
"A good helm will never need a V-cut."
You know ... I kind of disagree with that, I know this is a somewhat unpopular oppinion, call me a bad helm if you want, but after 1.4k hours at the helm of a Galleon, I 100% came to value this cut-out. It makes ALL the difference in a chase if you can properly see where you are going without wasting your m8ts time having them play lookout or having to step of the wheel every few secs ...
... Ah yes ... and then there are storms ... just as a sidenote here.
Not even talking about the Brig yet 😅
Also, it is not just about PvP-Tryharding. It is much more about QualityOfLife.A sail editor is a pretty unique Idea. I'm not quite sure how it would 100% work, but it could definitely be some form of solution. Not one I would be fond of personally (but that's just me).
A handfull of other sails with a similar cut-out would also work ...
There are a LOT of potential solutions.
But what speaks against it?
It would be awsome for much more than just solving the DA-Issue :)
One could say that they should "direct their ressources elsewhere" but tbvh, in comparsion to something like this PvP-Mode,
I HONESTLY don't think it would be that much work :/
In comparison ... in comparison ...And I do understand what you mean about this being primarily focused on customization rather than forbidding one to use whatever they'd like. But...I have seen a couple posts saying statements along the lines of, if someone uses these sails they are no longer creative in their chose of cosmetics. Which to me is not true. There are people that truly like these sails purely because of the way they look.
Personally, I actually do not even think that the DA-Sails are ugly. They are ok in my book. Thing is though:
"if someone uses these sails they are no longer creative in their chose of cosmetics" this is not true for everybody yes.
You are right, some actually use them because they like them ...
But I assure you ... that is ... at best ~ 1 out of 5.I, for example, would REALLY prefer to use the Athena/Ghost Style :(
And before someone says: "Then just use it." ... yeah ... it doesn't have the cut-out ...Just for the record at this point:
The main issue is not the advantage, it is primarily the increase in QoL.
The ideal solution would be a Sail-Shape-Editor.
Think about it a bit outside of the box.
Especially in combination with customizable Harpoons and Lanterns ...
Wouldn't that just be glorious?
And it's really not an unreasonable imagination :)But to get back to the DA-Issue.
Regardless of how whoever reads this might personally think about it, in one way or another this is a rather serious issue to MANY at this point.
And it's getting worse by the week ...It would be awesome if Rare would at least say something about it at this point 😅
@zig-zag-ltu
In a very much simplified manner: Here a short list of potential solutions (Worst to Best) for the record:
...1.Remove the DA-Sails (... not rly)
2.Redesign the DA-Sails to no longer have the cut-out
_2.1. Do not refund anything
_2.2. Do refund the sails
_2.3. Do refund the sails and any DA-Item (would really be necessary)3.Release a handfull of more sails with a similar Cut-Out to at least satisfy most tastes
_3.1. Make all of them relatively hard to get (somewhat similar to DA-Sails)
_3.2. Basically 3.1 but include a relatively easy to access version for newer m8ts so they don’t feel disadvantaged.4.Make the V-Cut applicable to other sails (No real drawbacks from here on out)
_4.1. Simple as.
_4.2. For all that own the DA-Sails
_4.3. An actual Sail-Shape-Editor (By far the best solution as it is the coolest with no real drawbacks)...
There sure as hell are a lot more 🙃
Come on Rare ... we know you can do it.@maximusarael020 said in DA Sails issue:
@lord-spark-0
Just sank another over lunch.laughing emoji
I guess then that's your tradeoff. You've decided the mega-huge-absolute advantage of the DA sails is worth not using anything fun or cool. That's on you, not Rare.
Here's a question. You've said "They assuredly have an advantage." One way to prove that has been that "If they don't provide an advantage, then why would so many people be using them?" However you've also stated that they don't matter on sloop. They don't really provide an advantage on the sloop ship is what you have said. So then why would so many people still be using them on sloop? Either you are wrong and they do provide a huge advantage on sloop, as proven by the fact that a lot of sloops use them, or they actually don't, and people just buy into a faulty "meta", in which case you would be disproving the original argument of how you can prove that they give an advantage, to wit: that if they didn't provide an advantage they wouldn't be so widespread.
So.... anyway.
In my experience playing this new Season and since DA sails came out..
There is a significant difference in the amount of ships I come across that use DA sails on Brig/Galley than they do on sloops.
I do not use DA sails on my sloop.
I have seen DA sails on sloops, but this is hardly a case of 'well then there must be no advantage then cause you said sloops don't need them'... is such a ridiculous response.And, they do have an advantage. You can see in front your ship at the helm with DA sails equipped and fully down. You cannot with normal sails...
Its very obvious.
If you had any experience in this game, this wouldn't even be a debate. But clearly you have an axe to grind.@lormiun said in DA Sails issue:
@imdinonuggie said in DA Sails issue:
@lormiun It might not be THE issue, but it's definitely apart of this conversation. That being said, people overhype DA sails for many reasons. Them being an "advantage" is really not all that true in my experience. A good helm will never need a V-cut. Can they be handy, I mean sure...but maybe 1 in 200 crews that I'll run into are actually decent with those sails equipped. I don't think the combat changed at all when they were added besides a new stereotype.
"A good helm will never need a V-cut."
You know ... I kind of disagree with that, I know this is a somewhat unpopular oppinion, call me a bad helm if you want, but after 1.4k hours at the helm of a Galleon, I 100% came to value this cut-out. It makes ALL the difference in a chase if you can properly see where you are going without wasting your m8ts time having them play lookout or having to step of the wheel every few secs ...So here's the reason I claim a good helm will never need a V-cut. Let's say we're on a Galleon in this situation chasing a Brig. For the most part, people run in straight lines until they see an outpost or wind changes. I can have all sails down fully knowing that I'm still following my target. When it's needed, I can ask for a slight courtesy on mid-sail (When the sail gets raised just a tiny bit). Now you might say, "if you had DA sails you wouldn't have to do that". And that might be true in some situations. But it works just as well and I can use whatever sails I want.
... Ah yes ... and then there are storms ... just as a sidenote here.
Not even talking about the Brig yet 😅Also, it is not just about PvP-Tryharding. It is much more about QualityOfLife.
In what other scenario would DA sails "help" besides PvP? I don't think the DA sails bring that much QoL to the table. I've personally never used them once and I main helm for my crew competitively and casually.
A sail editor is a pretty unique Idea. I'm not quite sure how it would 100% work, but it could definitely be some form of solution. Not one I would be fond of personally (but that's just me).
A handfull of other sails with a similar cut-out would also work ...
There are a LOT of potential solutions.
But what speaks against it?I think it would just be an unneeded feature. I'd rather DA sails go back to looking like normal sails than being able to change 99.99% of all the other sails just because of this one sail. Do I find the need to change them, no. But this is just my opinion.
It would be awsome for much more than just solving the DA-Issue :)
One could say that they should "direct their ressources elsewhere" but tbvh, in comparsion to something like this PvP-Mode,
I HONESTLY don't think it would be that much work :/
In comparison ... in comparison ...And I do understand what you mean about this being primarily focused on customization rather than forbidding one to use whatever they'd like. But...I have seen a couple posts saying statements along the lines of, if someone uses these sails they are no longer creative in their chose of cosmetics. Which to me is not true. There are people that truly like these sails purely because of the way they look.
Personally, I actually do not even think that the DA-Sails are ugly. They are ok in my book. Thing is though:
"if someone uses these sails they are no longer creative in their chose of cosmetics" this is not true for everybody yes.
You are right, some actually use them because they like them ...
But I assure you ... that is ... at best ~ 1 out of 5.I, for example, would REALLY prefer to use the Athena/Ghost Style :(
I personally use Golden Hour/ Pathfinder/ Overachiever and never found the need to even want to switch to DA.
And before someone says: "Then just use it." ... yeah ... it doesn't have the cut-out ...
And here's where I think it truly comes down to personal taste and situation. I'm in no way saying this about anyone specific. But I think in general, people will sink to a ship using DA Sails and use that as an excuse to them sinking. When the fact of the matter is. It's not.
If a single V-cut is stopping you from using any sail you'd like. I think you've fallen under the idea that DA-Sails rule the sea. It's really not that crazy of a difference if you have proper sail management. Now I know you mentioned having a wild amount of hours Helming. And I truly respect that. It's kinda shocking to me that you find DA sails a massive advantage though. But like I said, I think it comes down to situations like how good your crew is on sails. Or how well the Helm knows the map ect.I think best comparison to DA sails is PC vs console. Had both. But since I had 240hz monitor and 300+ fps on games...other games running on smoother performance I never looked back. Sure the console was cooler, i could kick back on my couch, stretch my legs, be in a comfy position, but instead I chose to slouch on my chair for that extra smoothness and fps. The only difference DA sails have no disadvantages apart from aesthetics and both my pc and console were black too..
@mad-jim-rogers said in DA Sails issue:
Either rare should
offer a cutout option for all other sailsor DA sails need its cutout removed. DA sails make all other sails irrelevant.With the way sails are stored and loaded in the game, applying a cutout for all sails would likely require duplicating the sail texture for every current and future sail added to the game or it would require a rebuild of how the sail system works.
Seems impractical to me, so if they are going to do anything they will just change the cut on one sail.
@d3adst1ck said in DA Sails issue:
@mad-jim-rogers said in DA Sails issue:
Either rare should
offer a cutout option for all other sailsor DA sails need its cutout removed. DA sails make all other sails irrelevant.With the way sails are stored and loaded in the game, applying a cutout for all sails would likely require duplicating the sail texture for every current and future sail added to the game or it would require a rebuild of how the sail system works.
Seems impractical to me, so if they are going to do anything they will just change the cut on one sail.
Rare probably has a few templates for sails and the graphics are loaded onto to that template. It's not hard to do..
@mad-jim-rogers said in DA Sails issue:
@d3adst1ck said in DA Sails issue:
@mad-jim-rogers said in DA Sails issue:
Either rare should
offer a cutout option for all other sailsor DA sails need its cutout removed. DA sails make all other sails irrelevant.With the way sails are stored and loaded in the game, applying a cutout for all sails would likely require duplicating the sail texture for every current and future sail added to the game or it would require a rebuild of how the sail system works.
Seems impractical to me, so if they are going to do anything they will just change the cut on one sail.
Rare probably has a few templates for sails and the graphics are loaded onto to that template. It's not hard to do..
It's not hard, but it's pointless work and would increase the install size of the game with a bunch of duplicated textures.
If one sail style is going to continually cause problems, I'd rather they just fix that one than spread the problem to every other sail in the game.
@d3adst1ck said in DA Sails issue:
@mad-jim-rogers said in DA Sails issue:
@d3adst1ck said in DA Sails issue:
@mad-jim-rogers said in DA Sails issue:
Either rare should
offer a cutout option for all other sailsor DA sails need its cutout removed. DA sails make all other sails irrelevant.With the way sails are stored and loaded in the game, applying a cutout for all sails would likely require duplicating the sail texture for every current and future sail added to the game or it would require a rebuild of how the sail system works.
Seems impractical to me, so if they are going to do anything they will just change the cut on one sail.
Rare probably has a few templates for sails and the graphics are loaded onto to that template. It's not hard to do..
It's not hard, but it's pointless work and would increase the install size of the game with a bunch of duplicated textures.
I assume you have no background in graphic design or game design. It is pretty easy to do. Rare would't need to duplicate anything. There would be different templates and different designs and one would be able to put any design of their choice of template. It's would be like putting clothing on a pirate. Rare doesn't specially make clothing for each pirate.. Its just a design loaded onto a template and the design adjust to said template.
@mad-jim-rogers said in DA Sails issue:
I assume you have no background in graphic design or game design. It is pretty easy to do. Rare would't need to duplicate anything. There would be different templates and different designs and one would be able to put any design of their choice of template. It's would be like putting clothing on a pirate. Rare doesn't specially make clothing for each pirate.. Its just a design loaded onto a template and the design adjust to said template.
You probably shouldn't make assumptions, and that's not what I'm talking about. They need to publish the edited template to a separate texture, because the sails are textures loaded into the sail space with transparent areas for cuts and tears, so there would be 2 different sail textures for each sail in the game. Any sail that has a glowing bit that would get impacted by the new cutout might also need to have a separate layer created to display the glowing bits properly and not have them hovering in the air. I believe this is controlled by a color mask, since there was an old bug that would cause other sails to light up when you switched from one of the bugged sails.
@imdinonuggie said in DA Sails issue:
I've personally never used them once and I main helm for my crew competitively and casually.
Normally I would have answered you in full but, without any meaning of disrespect, with this you effectively confessed to ... well ... having no idea what you are talking about :P
I wholeheartedly recommend you to shed the prejudice and
look at it neutral without any reservations in relation to what you would "actually like to use" or (just in case) the 8mil gold.If you clear your mind of all this, equip and subsequently use them an for a while, you will see why this entire topic is a thing ...
@mad-jim-rogers said in DA Sails issue:
Either rare should offer a cutout option for all other sails or DA sails need its cutout removed. DA sails make all other sails irrelevant.
Amen to that. Simplest way to put it.
@d3adst1ck said in DA Sails issue:
It's not hard, but it's pointless work and would increase the install size of the game with a bunch of duplicated textures.
If one sail style is going to continually cause problems, I'd rather they just fix that one than spread the problem to every other sail in the game.
You see, the thing is that you have to think a bit outside of this box.
With no meaning to condescend, I have been cracking my head at this DA-Sails Issue for over a year now and the only truly elegant way out of this is a Sail-Shape-Editor.
There are other solutions, like you said, simply redesigning the DA-Sails BUT that comes with quite a few "problems" like ... a MASSIVE amount of ppl (like me) that would be rather ... unhappy about an investment of +8mil now being denied of its primary benefit, the Cut-out.Also ... we have to accept something quite fundamental:
The DA-Sails DO make sailing more enjoable from a QoL-Perspective.
Why rob the SoT of that?
Why not capitalize on it?
We've seen it before with the Sword-Lunge :)Also, a Sail-Shape-Editor could and should be more than just the ability to add a Cut-out. For example: You should be able to make normal sails 'torn', 'pristine' or 'DA-Shaped'.
Think of it a bit like the Cannon flares.
That would be more than just a fix for the DA-Issue, that Issue merely creates a need for a feature that would otherwise be 100% nice-to-have.Yet it would undoubtedly be a new awesome feature for the SoT :D
(Especially in combination with customizable Harpoons and Lanterns :)@lormiun said in DA Sails issue:
@d3adst1ck said in DA Sails issue:
It's not hard, but it's pointless work and would increase the install size of the game with a bunch of duplicated textures.
If one sail style is going to continually cause problems, I'd rather they just fix that one than spread the problem to every other sail in the game.
You see, the thing is that you have to think a bit outside of this box.
With no meaning to condescend, I have been cracking my head at this DA-Sails Issue for over a year now and the only truly elegant way out of this is a Sail-Shape-Editor.
There are other solutions, like you said, simply redesigning the DA-Sails BUT that comes with quite a few "problems" like ... a MASSIVE amount of ppl (like me) that would be rather ... unhappy about an investment of +8mil now being denied of its primary benefit, the Cut-out.Being able to customize your sails would be nice, but it's not going to happen with the way the game is designed. They don't even have the ability to dynamically recolor clothing because they didn't set up the cosmetics that way. Same issue with the sails, which would require a rebuild of how the ship cosmetic system works.
Unlikely to happen in this game. Maybe in the sequel.
@d3adst1ck said in DA Sails issue:
Being able to customize your sails would be nice, but it's not going to happen with the way the game is designed. They don't even have the ability to dynamically recolor clothing because they didn't set up the cosmetics that way. Same issue with the sails, which would require a rebuild of how the ship cosmetic system works.
Unlikely to happen in this game. Maybe in the sequel.
Why so pessimistic ;)
[Personally, I hope that there will not be a sequel to SoT in a LONG time if ever, because a sequel would indirectly mean the death of current SoT ... but that's not the topic.]
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What you are describing is a fully fledged Sail-Designer (which, yes, will 100% never happen for a CRAPLOAD of reasons).
Yet what we/I am really talking about really talking about is the ability to edit the SHAPES of the sails. Sail-SHAPE-Editor. That would definitely be a 100% doable :)
It wouldn't have to work for every sail ... there are some that could simply be exceptions. But for ~9/10 this would probably be relatively easy to implement.@lormiun said in DA Sails issue:
@d3adst1ck said in DA Sails issue:
Being able to customize your sails would be nice, but it's not going to happen with the way the game is designed. They don't even have the ability to dynamically recolor clothing because they didn't set up the cosmetics that way. Same issue with the sails, which would require a rebuild of how the ship cosmetic system works.
Unlikely to happen in this game. Maybe in the sequel.
Why so pessimistic ;)
[Personally, I hope that there will not be a sequel to SoT in a LONG time if ever, because a sequel would indirectly mean the death of current SoT ... but that's not the topic.]
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What you are describing is a fully fledged Sail-Designer (which, yes, will 100% never happen for a CRAPLOAD of reasons).
Yet what we/I am really talking about really talking about is the ability to edit the SHAPES of the sails. Sail-SHAPE-Editor. That would definitely be a 100% doable :)
It wouldn't have to work for every sail ... there are some that could simply be exceptions. But for ~9/10 this would probably be relatively easy to implement.It's more realistic than pessimistic. Editing the shape of the sail would be editing the sail texture, because all textures are just slapped onto a square plane that represents the sails. The full square sail is always there, there are just transparent parts in the texture. There is likely to be a bit of a performance hit to do this as well, since now you need to load the texture, then perform the manipulation to crop it based on the selected shape before loading it into the sail space for every ship you encounter on the sea, including your own.
@d3adst1ck said in DA Sails issue:
It's more realistic than pessimistic. Editing the shape of the sail would be editing the sail texture, because all textures are just slapped onto a square plane that represents the sails. The full square sail is always there, there are just transparent parts in the texture. There is likely to be a bit of a performance hit to do this as well, since now you need to load the texture, then perform the manipulation to crop it based on the selected shape before loading it into the sail space for every ship you encounter on the sea, including your own.
Not really, that's not the only way to do it. You could simply include the different variants as different sails altogether, and I thought about that in a matter of a minute.
But I am not an employee of Rare and it is not my job to be a developer for SoT.I assure you though, especially in the light of what has happened in SoT recently it is FAR from "realistic" to completely rule out such a feature.
It's just a Sail-Shape-Editor.
It's not like we/I ask for a separate PvP-Mode that has you do a Davy Jones as a matchmaker or something ...@lormiun said in DA Sails issue:
Not really, that's not the only way to do it. You could simply include the different variants as different sails altogether, and I thought about that in a matter of a minute.
I mentioned this earlier in the thread and why it's not likely to happen.
@d3adst1ck said in DA Sails issue:
@lormiun said in DA Sails issue:
Not really, that's not the only way to do it. You could simply include the different variants as different sails altogether, and I thought about that in a matter of a minute.
I mentioned this earlier in the thread and why it's not likely to happen.
Yes ... I answered before as well XD
Along with @Mad Jim RogersBest thing you brought up was "increased install size" ...
... I think a Sail-Shape-Editor would most certainly be worth that sacrifice 😅But even if that was not the case ...
The DA-Issue persists and Rare really needs to do, or at least say, something about it at this point :/@lormiun said in DA Sails issue:
@imdinonuggie said in DA Sails issue:
I've personally never used them once and I main helm for my crew competitively and casually.
Normally I would have answered you in full but, without any meaning of disrespect, with this you effectively confessed to ... well ... having no idea what you are talking about :P
I wholeheartedly recommend you to shed the prejudice and
look at it neutral without any reservations in relation to what you would "actually like to use" or (just in case) the 8mil gold.If you clear your mind of all this, equip and subsequently use them an for a while, you will see why this entire topic is a thing ...
I have miss-spoken. What I meant was, I have never equipped them for myself. I have helmed many boats with DA Sails. I know what they're like. With that being said, I don't think this is really going anywhere. DA sails being an advantage or not has been a long running debate. I think it it truly comes down to experience and situation.
@imdinonuggie said in DA Sails issue:
DA sails being an advantage or not has been a long running debate. I think it it truly comes down to experience and situation.
There is no debate whether there is an advantage or not. It literally sais so on the wiki XD
Sure there is a fair amount of ppl that vehemently deny it but them being 100% wrong is 100% proven by anyone with ... common sense & a portion of reality really.
They provide an undeniable improvement to visibility, subsequent tactical options and most importantly QoL.All that is hoped to be achieved by posts like these is to focus Rare's attention on this.
It sure as hell would be about time 😅@d3adst1ck said in DA Sails issue:
@mad-jim-rogers said in DA Sails issue:
I assume you have no background in graphic design or game design. It is pretty easy to do. Rare would't need to duplicate anything. There would be different templates and different designs and one would be able to put any design of their choice of template. It's would be like putting clothing on a pirate. Rare doesn't specially make clothing for each pirate.. Its just a design loaded onto a template and the design adjust to said template.
You probably shouldn't make assumptions, and that's not what I'm talking about. They need to publish the edited template to a separate texture, because the sails are textures loaded into the sail space with transparent areas for cuts and tears, so there would be 2 different sail textures for each sail in the game. Any sail that has a glowing bit that would get impacted by the new cutout might also need to have a separate layer created to display the glowing bits properly and not have them hovering in the air. I believe this is controlled by a color mask, since there was an old bug that would cause other sails to light up when you switched from one of the bugged sails.
You will have the main design without any effects. Then imagine applying a filter to change the look. The filters can be cutouts, tears, holes, glowing bits, etc. It might not work for all sails because of previous designs choices but it will for a vast majority. For the ones that don't, rare can cancel out the filter option.
But, i rather have the cutout removed all together.
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