100 hours on fire to get a frame ???

@ishotyournuts
i also thought i was never going to really post on this forum, but yea i completely agree the current milestones are far to unrealistic to achieve. Not to mention all our progress and commendations are not even counting towards these milestones.

welcome to the forum!

Secondly I feel like captiancy as a whole is too difficult in the sense of it requires way too much to unlock some of these things.

200+ voyages for some of these items to unlock?

Sloops aren't actually customizeable and it's ridiculous we can't place a captians chair on our customizable ship we paid for to...customize?

@stewcha-kun yeah now imagine having to spent 4 real live days being on fire in the game. Have fun getting that milestone by the time the servers shut down in 8 years time lol.

@musicmee said in 100 hours on fire to get a frame ???:

Ahoy all!

Appologies because you're probaby going to see this response a lot...

I understand that you are a moderator and you are just repeating what you've been told by marketing, but please know, that we don't want excuses. We need change.

Also, seeing sails that took 100 hours to unlock will achieve what you are saying, but never seeing some minor trophy hidden in a corner, that took 100 hours to unlock will not be appreciated.

@musicmee
All right, but then why would we "see this response a lot"?
Also, why haven't I seen this response from anyone else, but other moderators?

I'm not trying to pick a fight, but seriously?

...just play the game. No one is making you grind for a small cosmetic, if you want to grind for it then go for it.

A lot of these milestones are here for the long run, no ones is expecting you to unlock them in a few weeks. This is end game content, fun little things to tick off eventually through natural gameplay. If they backdated the milestones to include what you have already achieved then the vast majority of new cosmetics would be available to you on day 1; exciting for a few weeks and then old news thereafter as you already own it all, then people would just start crying out for new content again. As @Musicmee has stated, these are rare cosmetics, exciting to see on people's ships as you know what they have had to do to achieve it, but incredibly boring if everyone had access to them with small effort.

Too many people complaining about new cosmetics you need to unlock, seems like most would be happier if nothing had been added at all.

@callmebackdraft said in 100 hours on fire to get a frame ???:

What i feel like everyone is forgetting about these milestones, they are not something to grind but to achieve over time.

You are not meant to achieve them all, thats why the overarching alignments exist, you do you olay the game as normal and see what kind of ship/crew/pirate you really are. And if you are the grinder then you will be the insane milestone capped captain of a ship that everyone will ask of how it is even seaworthy.

The allignment you are referencing is “ill-fated” not an allignment i would strive for

It is good to have something to grind for even if it can take a while.
But majority of these milestones are just ridiculous and unreachable. Being on fire, sleeping or even sitting for a 100 hours? That is 4+ days! Fire is a maybe, but nobody is going to sit for that amount of time and have fun, & hardly anyone uses the sleeping mechanic at all. And that is just to name a few of these milestones.

Grinding to unlock something needs to be fun, reachable in a realistic time period & not repetitive.
This is neither of all i mentioned.
This is just bad game design cranked up to 11.

Typical rare fashion, there games for years have had some of the longest accomplishments in gaming, so nuffin new really

But majority of these milestones are just ridiculous and unreachable. Being on fire, sleeping or even sitting for a 100 hours? That is 4+ days! Fire is a maybe, but nobody is going to sit for that amount of time and have fun, & hardly anyone uses the sleeping mechanic at all. And that is just to name a few of these milestones.

Having something to grind is a good thing, but it needs to be fun, reachable in a realistic time period & not repetitive.

Don't do them then, do the ones you want to do. You don't have to do any of these, they are just there as long term records of what you have achieved, and a small trinket to acknowledge that. Nobody is asking/ expecting you to grind any of this. If you had to sleep for 100 hours to become a pirate legend, then yes, that would be poor game design but this is completely optional.

And I'm going with a hard disagree on the 'grind is a good thing', I play SoT because I don't have to grind but the option is there to grind for a few cosmetics that have no effect on gameplay.

@fred-fisheye don't do it then?

I am just going to play the game exactly as I did before and I will occasionally unlock a small trinket based on my actions. This new progression system has not changed any gameplay mechanics, you just unlock something small for certain actions. This is all additional, nothing has been taken away from you.

@musicmee If you throw a firebomb at your feet once every day and let it burn for the full duration it would take 98 years to max out that one trinket.

I can understand having stats passively give you rewards based on your playstyle, but the large majority of these aren't achievable even in a passive sense. A single fish on a nice plaque requires you to catch more fish than the legendary hunter of the sea of theives accomodation ... ten times over. And there's one for every fish in the game.

That's not the "decorate your ship to reflect your playstyle" that was advertised. It's a spend years grinding over and over for a shiny trinket and then repeat when you want another. Most sane folks just don't do that, they have lives, mouths to feed, Jobs to go to.

These trinkets are so far out of the question even for dedicated grinders that play all day every day that for any other player getting them passively would never happen in 100 years. They need to tone the numbers way down. Make it 5 hours instead of 100, 100 fish instead of 2500. Most players aren't going to get those numbers, but players whose playstyles reflect those milestones could definitely get them in a few months or so and decorate their ship how they desire.

It's a shame that one of the most advertised features of the update nobody is going to get to use.

@jack-lester said in 100 hours on fire to get a frame ???:

Don't do them then, do the ones you want to do. You don't have to do any of these, they are just there as long term records of what you have achieved, and a small trinket to acknowledge that. Nobody is asking/ expecting you to grind any of this. If you had to sleep for 100 hours to become a pirate legend, then yes, that would be poor game design but this is completely optional.

You dont seem to get the point.
The arguement of "you dont have to do this" is just a bad one. People want to do them. I want to do them. But not in this manner.

Doing any of this, even if you backseated it is not only overly ridiculous to obtain, but its also realy tedious & unfun to do. Sorry but you seriously cant defend this lazy game design of "Do this over & over & over & over etc", just for a small trinket.
This whole patch is about decorating & customising you're ship & its all locked behind massive of grinds.

Pirate legend is also fully optional you know, the title and status means nothing besides another grind. It was a pain in the but to do back in year one.

And I'm going with a hard disagree on the 'grind is a good thing', I play SoT because I don't have to grind but the option is there to grind for a few cosmetics that have no effect on gameplay.

I think you misunderstood with what i said, you propably tought sitting every session dedicating yourself to one thing. No.
What i ment is, that it is good to have goals that are not only reachable but also fun to do.
Having something to work towards is a good thing, otherwise hardly anyone would be playing anymore.

@jack-lester said in 100 hours on fire to get a frame ???:

...just play the game. No one is making you grind for a small cosmetic, if you want to grind for it then go for it.

that's a joke right? How much are you supposed to play the game in a normal manner to get stuff like being on fire for 100h? thats over 4 real live days. I'd be more than suprised if I was on fire for more than 2h in my 2000h of playtime in this game. No normal way of playing will ever archive you stuff like that unless you plan on playing this game hardcore for the next 10 years. Or spend every session for the next month or so purposefully setting yourself on fire as much as possible.

If that screams fun gameplay to you then more power to you ig...

Unlocking cosmetics are the same in real life. You have to work for the good ones.
You can only get a purple finger, if you hit it with a hammer until it changes color. You can get a brown one for free though... :wink:

This is real time, not game time?

@jack-lester said in 100 hours on fire to get a frame ???:

Don't do them then, do the ones you want to do. You don't have to do any of these, they are just there as long term records of what you have achieved, and a small trinket to acknowledge that. Nobody is asking/ expecting you to grind any of this. If you had to sleep for 100 hours to become a pirate legend, then yes, that would be poor game design but this is completely optional.

And I'm going with a hard disagree on the 'grind is a good thing', I play SoT because I don't have to grind but the option is there to grind for a few cosmetics that have no effect on gameplay.

That's exactly it! I did a big fishing grind when I started because I used Hunters Call as one of my three trading companies for Pirate Legend. Am I miffed that now I have to fish everything again to get more cosmetics? Of course not! I enjoy the fishing part of the game, in fact I'd stopped fishing quite as regularly because I've already mostly completed the commendations and it was getting a bit samey trying to get those last few fish, but now I have reason to do the thing I enjoy again and it all count for something.

So just play how you like to play, do the things you enjoy doing, the milestones will slowly tick up. If you see it as a grind, if you're not having fun, then maybe it's time to move on.

@mr-whaletoes If you throw a firebomb at your feet once every day and let it burn for the full duration it would take 98 years to max out that one trinket.

I can understand having stats passively give you rewards based on your playstyle, but the large majority of these aren't achievable even in a passive sense. A single fish on a nice plaque requires you to catch more fish than the legendary hunter of the sea of theives accomodation ... ten times over. And there's one for every fish in the game.

That's not the "decorate your ship to reflect your playstyle" that was advertised. It's a spend years grinding over and over for a shiny trinket and then repeat when you want another. Most sane folks just don't do that, they have lives, mouths to feed, Jobs to go to.

These trinkets are so far out of the question even for dedicated grinders that play all day every day that for any other player getting them passively would never happen in 100 years. They need to tone the numbers way down. Make it 5 hours instead of 100, 100 fish instead of 2500. Most players aren't going to get those numbers, but players whose playstyles reflect those milestones could definitely get them in a few months or so and decorate their ship how they desire.

It's a shame that one of the most advertised features of the update nobody is going to get to use.