@sea-5pirit Things have changed alright and the argument that video games can lead to violence and addiction has been debunked. With that in mind can you make the same argument about smoking in video games? Will you say that is just a video game thing without condoning it?
Why Does Grogmanay Glorify Excessive Drinking?
Sea of Thieves is rated T for Teen according to the ESRB. On top of that, the reasons for the rating are listed very clearly.
Sea of Thieves - ESRB
Sea of Thieves - Teen - This is an action-adventure game in which players assume the role of a pirate exploring a vast open world of oceans and islands.
-Crude Humor
-Use of Alcohol
-ViolenceThe ESRB also provides Rating Summary. Within that summary, the following is noted:
"During the course of the game, players' character can drink mugs of grog, resulting in a screen-blurring effect; belching and hiccup sounds are sometimes heard. Characters may also vomit after drinking too much grog; green vomit is sometimes seen dripping down the screen."
It is the responsibility of parents to take in the rating, and more importantly, the reason for the rating, and enforce their household rules accordingly.
Adults can make their own decisions.
How dare they glorify drinking! I'm going to quit playing as soon as:
- I sell the loot I stole
*From the crew I murdered with my gun and sword
*Who's ship I set fire to before sinking
*and I need to sell this pig I have in a cage... never mind, I forgot to feed it. - and I need to remember to shoot my dog out of the cannon I loaded it into.
but after that 100% boycott for the excessive drinking.
- I sell the loot I stole
@sweetsandman said in Why Does Grogmanay Glorify Excessive Drinking?:
Sea of Thieves is rated T for Teen according to the ESRB. On top of that, the reasons for the rating are listed very clearly.
Sea of Thieves - ESRB
Sea of Thieves - Teen - This is an action-adventure game in which players assume the role of a pirate exploring a vast open world of oceans and islands.
-Crude Humor
-Use of Alcohol
-ViolenceThe ESRB also provides Rating Summary. Within that summary, the following is noted:
"During the course of the game, players' character can drink mugs of grog, resulting in a screen-blurring effect; belching and hiccup sounds are sometimes heard. Characters may also vomit after drinking too much grog; green vomit is sometimes seen dripping down the screen."
It is the responsibility of parents to take in the rating, and more importantly, the reason for the rating, and enforce their household rules accordingly.
Adults can make their own decisions.
The use of alcohol is not mentioned on the Xbox App listing for the game, which simply has "violence" beside the PEGI age rating.
Regardless, it seems a lot of folks have misunderstood my post entirely and decided to go on the defense, instead of understanding nuance.
@uber-terror said in Why Does Grogmanay Glorify Excessive Drinking?:
How dare they glorify drinking! I'm going to quit playing as soon as:
- I sell the loot I stole
*From the crew I murdered with my gun and sword
*Who's ship I set fire to before sinking
*and I need to sell this pig I have in a cage... never mind, I forgot to feed it. - and I need to remember to shoot my dog out of the cannon I loaded it into.
but after that 100% boycott for the excessive drinking.
I don't think it's a fair approach to minimize the stated concern by comparing it this way.
Most of your examples are just competitive outlets. Whether it's a couple of guns shooting at each other or throwing a ball on a field or keeping track of scores it's just something people can do to compete in a video game.
Those of us that were young and aren't young anymore often deal with the consequences of overindulging on one thing or another when our brains were not fully developed and when we thought we were genetically indestructible. "If I knew then what I know now type of thing" That knowledge is valuable for younger generations. They will often ignore it but the messaging is still important. Being and showing how to be responsible is still important even during escapism to some degree.
We don't all agree with how much responsibility is ours to contribute to an environment that helps young people have a better shot at a less destructive outcome for their personal choices but comparing it to in game competition isn't a fair one imo.
- I sell the loot I stole
Okie. Then let’s look into everything else this game does that people tend to turn a blind eye.
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suicide. Players killing themselves with kegs just to kill or damage other players. Or simply skeletons.
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shooting unarmed players who just want to have fun.
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killing each other over gold and small things just to make oneself happy
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shooting animals from cannons because it fun. Yet they scream
List could go on. But the thing is. Really. It’s a video game. Many studies have been done showing both sides, games cause violence or they don’t have any connection. Same with drinking, it doesn’t mean anything.
It’s a pirate game. Pirates drink. Throw up. It cartoon humor. Early bugs bunny stuff of them smoking, turning green and such.
Frankly, people in these New Years. 2020 2021 are taking everything way out of proportion when it comes to video games.Yet my above points, nobody mentions. :p
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@realstyli Oh no I understood the context of your post. I agree with making pretty much all events, this one included, more social.
Unfortunately, your thread title is more click-bait than related to trying to make the event more social.
Double-unfortunately, Rare's idea of making their events more "social" is saying "do ______ while in an alliance to earn extra favour!"
They do a pretty poor job of making "social" events...the last good one was Glitterbeard...and before that, The Hungering Deep....
@burnbacon said
It’s a pirate game. Pirates drink. Throw up. It cartoon humor. Early bugs bunny stuff of them smoking, turning green and such.
Frankly, people in these New Years. 2020 2021 are taking everything way out of proportion when it comes to video games.At this point this post should be called to each his own, yet I hope we all can see the hypocrisy under the game's rating system. Personally I just hoped there would be more smokers among the devs in order to have pipes for our pirates.
There are certain behaviors that society will turn a blind eye and others that will be judged and condemned with prejudice. In a time when ratings are set by collective morality I think the devs are just trying to get away with what they can in order to make the game fun.
@dlchief58 said in Why Does Grogmanay Glorify Excessive Drinking?:
Sheesh, what next? We complain about murdering players in the game and how it will turn society into sociopaths? Or that stealing treasure in the game glorifies theft in real life? Is that you Tipper Gore? Jack Thompson perhaps?
Drinking in a video game has no bearing on someone turning to alcohol anymore than violence in games leads to real world violence. I can't believe people are bringing up proven false equivalencies from nearly 30 years ago.
Not saying it's correct, but judging by what GTA did to people (caused a few shootings at schools, y'know) I'd say games do have an affect on people.
@hotklou9848 haha What? They didnt shoot people because of GTA, they were atrracted to violence and wouldve commit these horrible acts regardless.
@faceyourdemon said in Why Does Grogmanay Glorify Excessive Drinking?:
@hotklou9848 haha What? They didnt shoot people because of GTA, they were atrracted to violence and wouldve commit these horrible acts regardless.
Exactly! A action movie or a book about crime doesn't cause the crime. It's like blaming knifes for stabbing people, instead of holding the stabber responsible.
@wolfmanbush said in Why Does Grogmanay Glorify Excessive Drinking?:
Most of your examples are just competitive outlets. Whether it's a couple of guns shooting at each other or throwing a ball on a field or keeping track of scores it's just something people can do to compete in a video game.
You can't jump from "this one aspect of the game might encourage bad behavior IRL" to "that can't influence anything IRL, it's just competitive.." 🤣
Have you ever heard of competitive drinking? Maybe that's just what this game is about! Not all that the soy-boy, "I order my drinks with v-card/non-alchi nonsense" 🤣
And it's only competitive when that's the only option. When half the players treat this as co-op Assassin's Creed and the other half treat it as CoD: 1656, it's not competitive, it's just bullying--the same as Biff picking on George McFly.
I'm just waiting on Rare to release our own NPC Marty and Doc Brown!
Those of us that were young and aren't young anymore often deal with the consequences of overindulging on one thing or another when our brains were not fully developed and when we thought we were genetically indestructible. "If I knew then what I know now type of thing" That knowledge is valuable for younger generations. They will often ignore it but the messaging is still important. Being and showing how to be responsible is still important even during escapism to some degree.
We don't all agree with how much responsibility is ours to contribute to an environment that helps young people have a better shot at a less destructive outcome for their personal choices but comparing it to in game competition isn't a fair one imo.
You'd think if those players were so concerned with helping younger players, they wouldn't just resort to spawn camping and other (as is the case in most every other, especially competitive, game) toxic behaviors.
@faceyourdemon sagte in Why Does Grogmanay Glorify Excessive Drinking?:
Alcoholism is a real problem but a silly event dont glorify it in any way, haha you are wayyy overthinking it.
No offense but its the typical 2020 "We must fabricate a problem and then try to fight it" mentality, there is no issue here.Dont get me wrong im not trying to defend alcohol, I dont drink but a silly video game is definately not pushing people to glorify alcohol. Simple.
This ☝🏻
Thank youAlcoholism can be a problem, the addiction, yes...beeing drunk to celebrate something isn't imo...as long as you don't start to "celebrate every day" or you don't learn when it's enough drinks for the evening...
@schwammlgott Yes everything in excess is harmful, even water will make your stomach explode if you drink more than you should.
Yet the same argument can be used for smoking and gambling. So why are not these activities included in a pirate game?
Oh, this conversation is still ongoing? I stopped following it when I realised a lot of people still don't seem to understand my original point was not about the drinking mechanic, but that the entire event centers exclusively around getting wasted and doing tasks.
Grogmanay should be a community celebration to ring in the new year, not a celebration of getting drunk. Grog is a part of it, sure. But, like in real life, the focus should be on the festivities and having fun... drink or no drink.
I 100% stand by my original post.
@realstyli said in Why Does Grogmanay Glorify Excessive Drinking?:
Oh, this conversation is still ongoing? I stopped following it when I realised a lot of people still don't seem to understand my original point
Or.... and it might strike as a surprise, but some people just dont agree with you...
But by your logic when an idea met with critisism, its because you are going the right way... By that logic that youve mentioned earlier youll never budge, but dont tell people what they understood and what they didnt, some of us just dont agree with that.Grogmanay should be a community celebration to ring in the new year, not a celebration of getting drunk. Grog is a part of it, sure. But, like in real life, the focus should be on the festivities and having fun... drink or no drink.
I 100% stand by my original post.
Again you are overthinking it, its about completing mundane activities with the extra challenge of doing them while being drunk.
But ill do myself a big favor for my healthy sanity and stay the hell away from this post.
Pirates of the Caribbean is a Disney Movie and we all know that Jack Sparrow was always on a constant search for Rum. It's just a classic trope when it comes to Pirates, especially when we're dealing with the beloved fantasy pirate concept.
Mommy and daddy can see "use of alcohol" printed on the rating label of the game before they decide to let their kid play. Parents can always play cover up with these things and call it Mountain Dew or whatever diversion they want to create if they're worried about their kid mimicking the in-game pirate behavior for some reason.
The New Year holiday in general is all about partying, letting loose, and having a good time. A Pirate's way of partying is endless grog refills followed by mischievous behavior on the seas!
@thagoochiestman sagte in Why Does Grogmanay Glorify Excessive Drinking?:
Arghhh cause this game be made by British people ye see...
.. And back in the Queen's land, a pub and a pint is all ye need....
ya man english pubs are great, cheers prost happy new year
@chronodusk said in Why Does Grogmanay Glorify Excessive Drinking?:
Pirates of the Caribbean is a Disney Movie and we all know that Jack Sparrow was always on a constant search for Rum. It's just a classic trope when it comes to Pirates, especially when we're dealing with the beloved fantasy pirate concept.
In POTC, that trope is mainly used to excess when Jack is down and out. He hits the bottle hard when he's at his worst and desperate. One of the criticisms a lot of fans have with the fifth film is that he goes from being a sly fox, always two steps ahead of everyone, to being a functional alcoholic just bumbling through scenarios (especially at the start of the film).
Mommy and daddy can see "use of alcohol" printed on the rating label of the game before they decide to let their kid play. Parents can always play cover up with these things and call it Mountain Dew or whatever diversion they want to create if they're worried about their kid mimicking the in-game pirate behavior for some reason.
Unless they download the game from an online store, in which case there is no mention of alcohol here (same on all marketplaces I checked).
But that was not my original reason for my post, just something that's come to light through this discussion.
The New Year holiday in general is all about partying, letting loose, and having a good time. A Pirate's way of partying is endless grog refills followed by mischievous behavior on the seas!
Oh, I agree, and if you actually read into what I am saying, I am not against drinking and partying with other pirates. I am just concerned that this entire event focuses wholly on that aspect of Grogmanay to excess, it doesn't highlight the festivities nor the social/community side enough.
And, to reiterate, I am not against pirates drinking nor against drinking in real life. I am Irish, alcohol is practically part of our culture, but if you look into it closely the majority of our drinking is around pubs, social events and celebrations. Alcohol is a social lubricant.
You're making a mountain out of a mole.
As far as I know..
Alcoholism, along with many other addictions are far more likely to incur from actual positive experiences with said drug. Which in turn, encourages the person to rely on for more positive experiences.
I'm not an expert, and based on your initial post neither are you.
Also, I highly doubt there were many parents out there writing to Disney about Jack's drinking problem. He glorified it, sure, but it's entertaining and not the reason someone begins to drink heavily.
@touchiertooth28
Firstly, the saying is "mountain out of a molehill". Secondly, I will continue to make mountains out of molehills where I see problems. Again, someone coming at me for even daring to broach the issue rather than the issue itself.
At least you admit you're not an expert so I can probably skip over your point. I've drank plenty of alcohol in my decades of drinking to know what does and what does not drive some people to drink. I've also lost family and friends to alcoholism.
As for Jack Sparrow, I'm not the one who initially brought the character into this discussion.
@wyvernkraehe said in Why Does Grogmanay Glorify Excessive Drinking?:
At the very least, it would be nice if next year it was crew based instead of individual based.
That way if a certain player had a tough time with it for whatever reason, they could pair up with a friend whom it may not negatively affect so much and they could help them with the tasks.
It is crew based.
@galactic-geek said
Here, hold this for me. Thanks! Bye!
[Hands off a lit stronghold gunpowder barrel, and runs]
🏃 💣You know if you just hand out the keg it can be easily defused! ;)
@metal-ravage said in Why Does Grogmanay Glorify Excessive Drinking?:
@galactic-geek said
Here, hold this for me. Thanks! Bye!
[Hands off a lit stronghold gunpowder barrel, and runs]
🏃 💣You know if you just hand out the keg it can be easily defused! ;)
Hands off - literal. 😉
@galactic-geek said
[Hands off a lit stronghold gunpowder barrel, and runs]
🏃 💣You know if you just hand out the keg it can be easily defused! ;)
Hands off - literal. 😉
Hooks it is then!
@hiradc said in Why Does Grogmanay Glorify Excessive Drinking?:
The murder and theft is OK but drinking is too far?
I suggest you actually read my posts before commenting.
I have repeatedly said that I am not against the drinking mechanic in the game, but rather how this event focuses exclusively on excessive drinking rather than the community/social aspect of Grogmanay.
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