Yesterday I was playing solo. I came across two players who decided to just spawn camp me, not sink my empty sloop just sit there waiting for me to respawn next to the wheel and send me on my way.
I realised I had 2 options:
I chose option 1. Got called a rage quitter etc. But it's not a rage quit is it? We were at an impossible impasse, so made the game pointless.
So my question what's the best thing to do in that scenario?
It sucks that you got in that situation.
The thing though, they can only spawn camp you if you decide to come back. If your sloop is empty and you don't fancy a fight, just scuttle your ship and you will respawn somewhere else.
(If you're new to the game, this can be done from the "my crew" tab on the pause menu.)
And should you find yourself in a situation where other pirates keep hunting you down to keep the fight going it's quick and easy to switch servers.
Having said that, you tend to get a better experience if you have a crew so you can help each other keep an eye on the horizon and fight if the need arises.
@oathpower I wasy aware of scuttling or server hopping. I have to portal jump is that right?
It's a shame I couldn't keep the voyage by doing that though.
To server hop, you can use a portal (as of now) but that's a lengthy option timewise.
The normal way is to simply leave the game and start another.
You will lose the voyage progress yea, unless it's a tall tale and you are at a checkpoint. (If you scuttle you won't lose the progress.)
I'd suggest getting into the LFC section https://www.seaofthieves.com/community/forums/category/51/find-a-crew or join the discord https://discord.com/invite/seaofthieves to find people to play with. Or perhaps ask people you know from real life.
Open crews tend to be filled with trolls, but if you get people in the recruitment channels there's a much better chance of people who also want to play properly. :)
@aribalam said in How to deal with greifers?:
I’d just ignore them.
The best thing to do is just scuttle or leave the server. It’s the best and only option if stuck in a spawn trap that you can’t escape.
No, the best thing is to report this behavior.
If you can get away or win, go for it but remember to report this behavior.
It is not allowed.
Let's report it so that it becomes a rare occurrence.
Always remember; the number ONE thing griefers are looking for is a reaction. They want you to get mad, they want you to tell them off, and they want you to threaten to report them. (If you want to take the time to report them, that's up to you. But I wouldn't bother telling them you're going to.)
The best way to deal with griefers is to deny them that reaction. Treat it as a mundane occurrence that warrants no more emotion than say... dead batteries in your controller.
"Oops, my batteries died. Oh well, better grab some more and keep playing."
"Oops, these guys seem to be trying to grief me. Oh well, better scuttle and keep playing."
Just keep in mind that those types of people are not mean, dangerous predators of the high seas. They're the runny-nosed kid who throws grass clippings at you in the park. Annoying, but nothing more than a brief, disappointing interruption worthy of nothing more than a shake of the head or rolling of the eyes.
Griefers are just the dirt that sticks to your boots as you walk the path to your success. So scrape 'em off and keep truckin'.
@personalc0ffee do you thing being salty will get people banned though?
They’re not really breaking any rules, just trying to get under your skin. I also find it quite funny when I meet salty pirates.
You can report someone without being "salty" about it. I don't report spawncamping since it's status as "griefing" is based solely on intent. And intent is extremely hard to determine and even harder to prove.
But we can't equate reporting someone for what you believe to be a legitimate reason with being "salty". Otherwise the report system, an important and useful tool, could be seen as an inherently negative thing.
Kinda like spawncamping, funnily enough. =D
When you are on the ferry get a blunderbuss into your load out. Spam jump and taking out your weapon button (if you are on PC spam key 1 or 2, whichever button has your blunderbuss on) as you are loading in/while you are on a blackscreen. They mostly miss their first shot this way if you spawn near your wheel. If there are 2 people or less camping your spawn you can take them out with a quick play this way. 3 and 4 people requires a bit luck and food depending on your murderers skill level. Your odds are never 0, I could get out of a 4 men spawncamp one time but they didn’t have their ship next to me so they had no spawn points. You should also circle and listen to revives while doing it. If you are on an Outpost or a fresh spawn use the barrels around you to get supplies while dodging them after you successfully jump into the water. 2 men camp isn’t that hard to get out of since they will be holding different spawn points
@kissofkilll said in How to deal with greifers?:
When you are on the ferry get a blunderbuss into your load out. Spam jump and taking out your weapon button (if you are on PC spam key 1 or 2, whichever button has your blunderbuss on) as you are loading in/while you are on a blackscreen. They mostly miss their first shot this way if you spawn near your wheel. If there are 2 people or less camping your spawn you can take them out with a quick play this way. 3 and 4 people requires a bit luck and food depending on your murderers skill level. Your odds are never 0, I could get out of a 4 men spawncamp one time but they didn’t have their ship next to me so they had no spawn points. You should also circle and listen to revives while doing it. If you are on an Outpost or a fresh spawn use the barrels around you to get supplies while dodging them after you successfully jump into the water. 2 men camp isn’t that hard to get out of since they will be holding different spawn points
I don't see this as worth it for someone that either isn't at this stage yet or doesn't have the personality for it. It's just prolongs the drama.
The off chance they get their boat back there is a strong likelihood the campers will return/chase them again anyway
gotta know when to hold em know when to walk away and know when to run
a lot of these people are better off walking away. The intensity isn't their thing, the banter/smack talk isn't their thing, being in those situations ultimately just isn't their thing. They would be better off just removing themselves from the situation entirely rather than participating in the environment that just leads to escalation and drama and hurt feelings and mad people and all that jazz.
I'd say most of them are better off letting it go and getting a new server that way everyone can just move on rather than drag it on.
@bobby-falcon said in How to deal with greifers?:
Yesterday I was playing solo. I came across two players who decided to just spawn camp me, not sink my empty sloop just sit there waiting for me to respawn next to the wheel and send me on my way.
I realised I had 2 options:
- Quit the game.
- Just keep going through this pointless loop.
I chose option 1. Got called a rage quitter etc. But it's not a rage quit is it? We were at an impossible impasse, so made the game pointless.
So my question what's the best thing to do in that scenario?
If they are indeed camping you with no other intent that that, record the interaction and report it. Most times there is camping it is allowed and even unavoidable (especially on a sloop due to the limited spawn points) if they are insuring that the ship will sink or off-loading supplies and/or loot. But spawn camping just for the sake of camping is bad behavior which needs to be reported and has no place in any online game. But definitely do not give them a reaction to feed off of as that only encourages this sort of bad player.
After that, scuttle your ship to get yourself out of the endless loop. You won't lose your voyage, but will still have that crew on the same session to deal with. If you decide to stick around in that session, make note of the livery their ship is sporting (or even their gamertag if you can) so you know to avoid them next time around. If they continue to be an issue, leave and joining a new session is likely your best bet - whether via the TT portal or quitting and restarting. Using the portal you will keep your supplies and Emissary flag/level (which I don't agree with that latter part and I hope Rare deems to fix that) but lose your quest and any treasure on board.
Look for Alliance Servers, I was in the same situation as you are, getting griefed every day by toxic players Who use as shield "It is a Pirate Game".
Send me DM if you want an I link you two discords, they take a few servers, make 6 ships Alliance and do Pve without Risk, sometimes a PvP players gets Into, but they camp the ship untill that player leaves and permaban him/her from the discord server and the web to avoid that kind of Behaviours.
Cya
@elci-poteh said in How to deal with greifers?:
Look for Alliance Servers, I was in the same situation as you are, getting griefed every day by toxic players Who use as shield "It is a Pirate Game".
Send me DM if you want an I link you two discords, they take a few servers, make 6 ships Alliance and do Pve without Risk, sometimes a PvP players gets Into, but they camp the ship untill that player leaves and permaban him/her from the discord server and the web to avoid that kind of Behaviours.
Cya
Nope, When you Join discord server they show the rules, The second One is "No PvP allowed". And then, they explain you in a long text what is going to happen if you break the rules.
If you break the 6 ships Alliance and attack someone, you are breaking the rules and disturbing a Pve server, so first they permaban you from the discord and the web, and then they Will Camp you untill you leave because YOU IGNORED THE RULES, not with grief intentions, we just want you to leave the server, you are wellcome and that is your punishment for breaking community rules, same as getting banned from Sot for breaking rules, is the same.
If you join with the idea of doing raids, tales, Forts and every Pve stuff according to that community and server rules, you are wellcome, if you decide to break rules, that is what you Will get, some players are trying to destroy this communities because is "Perverting Sot Core and essence" but they can't xD Nobody can force us to do something we don't want, and this kind of Alliances are.legit so.... We can see the light at the end of the griefing tunnel thanks to this people
@elci-poteh said in How to deal with greifers?:
Nope, When you Join discord server they show the rules, The second One is "No PvP allowed". And then, they explain you in a long text what is going to happen if you break the rules.
If you break the 6 ships Alliance and attack someone, you are breaking the rules and disturbing a Pve server, so first they permaban you from the discord and the web, and then they Will Camp you untill you leave because YOU IGNORED THE RULES, not with grief intentions, we just want you to leave the server, you are wellcome and that is your punishment for breaking community rules, same as getting banned from Sot for breaking rules, is the same.
If you join with the idea of doing raids, tales, Forts and every Pve stuff according to that community and server rules, you are wellcome, if you decide to break rules, that is what you Will get, some players are trying to destroy this communities because is "Perverting Sot Core and essence" but they can't xD Nobody can force us to do something we don't want, and this kind of Alliances are.legit so.... We can see the light at the end of the griefing tunnel thanks to this people
People justify their actions but it's not consistent or a moral high ground
that's why reporting and toxicity accusations aren't generally worth more than a heating pad in the desert
abuser/victim is rare on SOT
hypocrite being a tattle tale and then making a hobby out of spreading exaggerated and misleading narratives is much more what happens
I am not justifying nothing, Don't need to.
Rules are there for their cumpliment, if you break It you deserve the punishment.
If you join a community with certain rules, reasonable rules, and break It five minutes later ¿Do we need any kind of excuse to punish you? No, we don't.
If you like the base idea of PvpPve, I agree with that, seems fine to me. But respect our way of think and play, we don't like that aspect of the Game and we find the way to avoid It, perfect for both sides, everybody wins with no more Pve asking posts.
Seems perfect right?
@elci-poteh Except for the FACT you are playing on servers YOU DO NOT OWN thus have no right to dictate what happens on those same servers. You did not rent them so thus have no say on how a person plays as long as they are not breaking the Terms of Service...which is something I strongly feel most of these Alliance Discord servers are actually doing by restricting who plays on PUBLIC servers. You do not have ANY RIGHT to dictate rules on servers you are not renting or own....PERIOD.
Plus what you are doing in spawn camping others with the expressed intent of driving them from the servers is EXACTLY the toxic behavior that Rare does not want in the game, no matter how you try to justify it. So yes, you are being highly hypocritical in that statement...and breaking the Code of Conduct that you complain about others doing.
@elci-poteh said in How to deal with greifers?:
Nope, When you Join discord server they show the rules, The second One is "No PvP allowed". And then, they explain you in a long text what is going to happen if you break the rules.
If you break the 6 ships Alliance and attack someone, you are breaking the rules and disturbing a Pve server, so first they permaban you from the discord and the web, and then they Will Camp you untill you leave because YOU IGNORED THE RULES, not with grief intentions, we just want you to leave the server, you are wellcome and that is your punishment for breaking community rules, same as getting banned from Sot for breaking rules, is the same.
If you join with the idea of doing raids, tales, Forts and every Pve stuff according to that community and server rules, you are wellcome, if you decide to break rules, that is what you Will get, some players are trying to destroy this communities because is "Perverting Sot Core and essence" but they can't xD Nobody can force us to do something we don't want, and this kind of Alliances are.legit so.... We can see the light at the end of the griefing tunnel thanks to this people
I would think that the rules Rare have set top the ones any community has that is playing a Rare game.
@elci-poteh said in How to deal with greifers?:
Nope, private discord have they own rules :)
That are completely irrelevant when considering you are playing (and blocking) PUBLIC SERVERS that you legally have no right to do nor dictate to others how they play. If you were on actual private servers instead of public ones you've co-opted and blocked, then you might have a leg to stand upon. But if you people spawn camp others with the expressed intent of driving players from these PUBLIC servers, then you are as bad if not worse than those you claim to be escaping and thus should be rightly reported as toxic players for doing that.
@elci-poteh said in How to deal with greifers?:
Nope, private discord have they own rules :)
They can ban people from their discord or whatever - fine, I don't care.
Rules in the game are set by Rare, punishment for breaking some rules of a community should not break rules set by Rare.
And It doesnt. We don't break any rule set by rare.
Alliances are allowed, so we can be 6 ship Alliance if we want, is legit.
If you break the Alliance, you can be sink by the rest, is allowed by Rare, It is what you call PvP, sometimes with numerical disadvantage.
So, our discord have rules, as you have rules in your home Despite of General rules of your country, right? You can't come to my House and open my fridge without my permission, maybe I Will Kick you out.
We have an Alliance, which is legal, you break the Alliance and you are our enemy, which is legal, and we attack you, which is legal, and fits with Rare rules and oír community rules. What is the problem then? I dont see anyone.
@elci-poteh said in How to deal with greifers?:
And It doesnt. We don't break any rule set by rare.
Alliances are allowed, so we can be 6 ship Alliance if we want, is legit.
If you break the Alliance, you can be sink by the rest, is allowed by Rare, It is what you call PvP, sometimes with numerical disadvantage.
So, our discord have rules, as you have rules in your home Despite of General rules of your country, right? You can't come to my House and open my fridge without my permission, maybe I Will Kick you out.
We have an Alliance, which is legal, you break the Alliance and you are our enemy, which is legal, and we attack you, which is legal, and fits with Rare rules and oír community rules. What is the problem then? I dont see anyone.
Other than spawn camping others with the intent of making them quit and blocking access to PUBLIC servers. As said, hypocrites!
@elci-poteh said in How to deal with greifers?:
And It doesnt. We don't break any rule set by rare.
Alliances are allowed, so we can be 6 ship Alliance if we want, is legit.
If you break the Alliance, you can be sink by the rest, is allowed by Rare, It is what you call PvP, sometimes with numerical disadvantage.
So, our discord have rules, as you have rules in your home Despite of General rules of your country, right? You can't come to my House and open my fridge without my permission, maybe I Will Kick you out.
We have an Alliance, which is legal, you break the Alliance and you are our enemy, which is legal, and we attack you, which is legal, and fits with Rare rules and oír community rules. What is the problem then? I dont see anyone.
Not only is camping a crew specifically to leave a server a violation of the rules of the game it's considered toxic by your own definition which is why you went to the alliance server in the first place.
You aren't required to remove yourself from hypocrisy but you are justifying rule breaking and spreading misinformation to those that are unclear about what is and isn't allowed.
Camping people with the intent of getting them to quit the game or the server is a violation of the rules of the game. No if's and's or but's about it.
@elci-poteh said in How to deal with greifers?:
And It doesnt. We don't break any rule set by rare. (…)
Let me quote a moderator of these forums on that
https://www.seaofthieves.com/community/forums/topic/140415/just-mute-block-the-guy-reporting-and-banning-players-has-gone-too-far/13
Spawn camping to make sure a crews ship sinks or you can steal their treasure is well within the Pirate Code, however, spawn camping with no aim other than to ruin someone's game or make them leave the server is very much against the code.
@elci-poteh
Also, you are not telling me somebody with no interest in alliance servers occasionally spawns on your PUBLIC server and gets spawn camped until they quit if they don't join the alliance or they play the game as intended.. What do you do - all leave and find a different PUBLIC server to squat/occupy? Didn't think so..
You're all worse than the players you claim to want to avoid.
I got spawncamped hundred of times and even with records, nothing Happened :)
They repaired my ship to keep camping me and I sent that video to the support system, Nobody did anything so I don't care about that if I am honest, You break the Alliance, you are our enemy and we Will hunt you, bad luck my friend, you joined into a PvE community with the intentions of ruining their experience, so you are not better than us and you know what you face when you join into that server.
Why do you join our discord with that ideas in mind? It is your problem dealing with the consequences of your acts :) go PvP to another place.
We asked for Pve servers thousand of times, never take us serious, we found a way to have our Pve and if someone comes to ruin us, we must say thanks for that xD
Really, this forum is Awesome, We don't want to force Nobody to nothing, but if you play different as I Like, I Will criticize you because yes xDD Nice mindset
@wolfmanbush said in How to deal with greifers?:
Camping people with the intent of getting them to quit the game or the server is a violation of the rules of the game. No if's and's or but's about it.
While I do see your point, and agree to a certain degree, I can't really be too down on him about it.
Since the launch of the game I've sat in these forums and watched PvE players be given the same response over and over.
"If they're spawncamping you, switch servers. If they're spawncamping you, switch servers."
Over and over.
And there's nothing wrong with that. It's good advice. But if that is the go-to response for spawncamping, then it's the go-to response whether it be PvE or PvP.
If a PvE player is being spawncamped by an overly aggressive server then they should switch servers.
If a PvP player is being spawncamped by an alliance, they should switch servers.
Now either side could report the other if they believe it goes against ToS, but if one side is encouraged to just server hop and ignore it, then the other side should as well.
Heck, with the recent portal-hopping debacle, I'm even less inclined to care about alliance servers than I was before.
You weren't being griefed, Scuttle the ship.
@elci-poteh
I love the hypocrisy in the statement.
"We have rules so if you break them we will spawn camp you until you leave."
So according to you, if I'm playing on a server and I don't like how another ship is playing, because lets face it, my rule is that you have to PvP and they run or they are bad at PvP. I am allowed to spawn camp them to force them out of the server. This is obviously with your blessing since that is exactly what you guys are doing right??
Just making sure I get this right :):).
Since you guys are dictating what you consider the "right" way to play on a server and then enforcing that belief, that means I am also allowed to do that right??
@hombre said in How to deal with greifers?:
@wolfmanbush said in How to deal with greifers?:
Camping people with the intent of getting them to quit the game or the server is a violation of the rules of the game. No if's and's or but's about it.
While I do see your point, and agree to a certain degree, I can't really be too down on him about it.
Since the launch of the game I've sat in these forums and watched PvE players be given the same response over and over.
"If they're spawncamping you, switch servers. If they're spawncamping you, switch servers."
Over and over.
And there's nothing wrong with that. It's good advice. But if that is the go-to response for spawncamping, then it's the go-to response whether it be PvE or PvP.
If a PvE player is being spawncamped by an overly aggressive server then they should switch servers.
If a PvP player is being spawncamped by an alliance, they should switch servers.
Now either side could report the other if they believe it goes against ToS, but if one side is encouraged to just server hop and ignore it, then the other side should as well.
Heck, with the recent portal-hopping debacle, I'm even less inclined to care about alliance servers than I was before.
Pvpers aren't on here complaining that they are getting camped out of alliance servers
People (including myself) offer that advice as a productive way to solve an immediate issue. It's not justifying the other side it's just problem solving for someone that brought their issue to the forums
P.S. Not being able to quote your name due to a filter on the forums that you are posting on has been quite a pain in the tush over the time I've been here
