I’m writing this is support of a recent gamer friend that was recently “permanently banned” from sea of thieves. While I appreciate Rare for having codes in attempt to protect the integrity of the game and experience for the players, I believe that the subject of “toxicity” is too vague and a flag waved way too often but players steaming from losing a battle, fight or loot within the game. You see it’s my experience that the players that are defeated have been the most toxic with comments, rude messaging and against “pirate code of conduct” behavior, and for the most part, my group(s) that I play with, simply take the loot and roll on the deck laughing. However we too are also human and while it’s easy to laugh and move on, occasionally some of the banter received gets a comment, and nearly every time, the initial offender now cries foul, threats of reporting, and suddenly the antagonist is now the victim. It happens this way more than you at Rare support even know. I appreciate that mod-ing and cheating are monitored and penalized. Especially since cheating is objective and measurable. In the case of dialog and messaging every Xbox player should act accordingly, but we know even in the real world that does not happen. Unlike the real world players should be encouraged to block and mute other players if they don’t like the content. The offended, and more often the “sore losers” have a responsibility on their end as well instead of simply filing complaints and having players removed. My friend has played the game steady for well over two years, has logged 3 times as many hours as I have, and Sea if Thieves is the only game I play. He enjoys the content, chases commendations with friends and has helped exponentially more players than he has had negative interaction with. He buys season passes, controllers and codes for the cosmetics, and is the type of player I would think that you and your team were hoping for since development. Players we have ran up against our team often “bait” and banter until they get a reaction and that is immediately responded with,” I’m filing complaint and gonna get you banned!!” I’ve heard this many times over the years of playing SOT. The rules you folks at Rare put in place for the good of the game, are now weaponized and threatened way to regularly by folks that are simply upset about losing. The good and great players are the ones that play the game most often and they are the ones that I fight and lose and try again, to get better at the game. To lose the bulk of the players at this tier diminishes the competition and overall quality of this awesome open world experience. Permanent bans are not the answer, when the player complaining has all the power to mute and block a player. I appreciate you reading this, and would love to start a dialog of ideas to get some of these players banned based on subjective complaints back in the game. I personally thank you and being a “since day one player” I’m confident that you and your Rare team can help with this subject.
Just mute/block the guy, reporting and banning players has gone too far
@krizzsizzle
I have no idea of who said what in your friends situation, but if he got triggered into a bannable response, perhaps he should have have done the muting …If he feels that he's been baited he should file a support ticket.
And, please, use some line breaks next time - the enter key is your friend.
Edit: I am in no way supportive of baiting people that you have lost to and then report them - but you're still responsible of what you are saying / typing.
The tactic is a a gross one but it is what it is. Just can't get baited.
Although I don't support baiting for the purpose of getting people in trouble ultimately the responsibility is on the person that said the stuff they shouldn't have said.
We know going in that people do that sort of stuff just gotta keep it witty and clever and within the rules and not fall into the no no word traps.
No no words aren't needed anyway and neither are serious personal attacks. It's not hard to criticize gameplay or banter without going nuclear over it.
We are guests here at the end of the day. When in someone's else's yard it's their rules if we don't want to participate in rule abiding we can bounce. Kinda just how it goes.
Preciate the feedback and response. I had to copy paste from the support page to get this here, soooooo line breaks next time-this time.
See. 🙂
I agree with the overall of your response, however, I accept that trash talk is part of the game and expect that after a contest doesn’t go a persons way that frustration and verbiage is a possible response. Me or my friend and usual crew are usually (way more often than not) tactical with how we respond and usually doused heavy with wit and humor.
The prob is, when they’ve sent their final message of the threat to report, gonna get you banned, and they recorded/clipped the last part of the exchange, too much time has passed for our crew to retrieve the information that would show the “offended” participation in the content or dialog.
Shoot, it’s possible to not even know you’ve been reported and then clearly impossible to defend yourself with any proof.
It’s way too one sided, it’s way too easy for someone to prompt a ban. If you play the game at all on the regular you know the types I’m talking about and it’s a big miss to let that particular group have that steep of an impact on a players account.
It’s competitive, it’s some times emotional and when someone crosses lines, which they have, I mute them/block them then sail on with my life!
Thanks for the response for real tho.
Thank you as well for your response. I agree my man with all of it. No doubt every player should own their responsibility.
However responsibility starts before you ever log onto any internet whether Xbox, social media’s, web sites, etc. In an interactive game such as SOT the responsible side of me is prepared to hear things I may not like, sometimes from new/open crew players and I take care of it on my end at the lowest level, and simply mute, block, leave, etc.
It’s too subjective, what is offensive to one may jus go by the way the next ten times, and visa versa. What kind of game is this if we have to tip toe, and if all it takes is someone to clip and go tell dad (Rare) well the game will be more riddled with that type of player and quality will certainly be impacted.
You give it, then get what you give, then you run to Papa Rare with the intent to get a person banned. To take from them, and has nothing to do with maintaining or improving the game play quality. (More often than not, IMO)
In the end, I do respect what ya, and do agree that at the end of day, what we say and how we participate is indeed in our control and that responsibility is on each of us.
Thanks again
@krizzsizzle said in Just mute/block the guy, reporting and banning players has gone too far:
Thank you as well for your response. I agree my man with all of it. No doubt every player should own their responsibility.
However responsibility starts before you ever log onto any internet whether Xbox, social media’s, web sites, etc. In an interactive game such as SOT the responsible side of me is prepared to hear things I may not like, sometimes from new/open crew players and I take care of it on my end at the lowest level, and simply mute, block, leave, etc.
It’s too subjective, what is offensive to one may jus go by the way the next ten times, and visa versa. What kind of game is this if we have to tip toe, and if all it takes is someone to clip and go tell dad (Rare) well the game will be more riddled with that type of player and quality will certainly be impacted.
You give it, then get what you give, then you run to Papa Rare with the intent to get a person banned. To take from them, and has nothing to do with maintaining or improving the game play quality. (More often than not, IMO)
In the end, I do respect what ya, and do agree that at the end of day, what we say and how we participate is indeed in our control and that responsibility is on each of us.
Thanks again
I've always been on the side of report less and move on productively, that reflects in my posts consistently
I think the act of trying to get people to be lesser versions of themselves in a moment in general is toxic to a community but specifically when it's used to just get people in trouble over a net beef. It's bringing that stuff out of people which in the end is contributing to it existing and poisoning the well.
I get the struggle. My humor and personality ranges from very G rated Disney all the way up to some very colorful and dark stuff that just isn't appropriate in a shared environment like this one.
The important thing to remember imo is that when we are with our friends and we say stuff or joke about stuff or have a verbal lapse in judgement they know us. They have the context of a relationship and chapters of existence not just a page or a paragraph.
When we are in a shared environment there is little to no context. We are gonna be judged and judged hard if we slip up. Everyone will come out and act like saints and warriors of justice. People also don't know how we are and they can be hurt by random things we say. Even with a lack of cruel intent some things hurt people and sometimes that hurt can last a while even if we ourselves don't have the same sensitivities.
So in the shared environment to watch our own backs and to try to not hurt other people it just makes sense to tone it all down and not escalate or participate when others are trying to escalate.
You approached this topic more productively than a lot of people do when they are bothered by stuff like this though. I dunno how long the thread will last but you did it right imo.
@krizzsizzle said in Just mute/block the guy, reporting and banning players has gone too far:
Players we have ran up against our team often “bait” and banter until they get a reaction and that is immediately responded with,” I’m filing complaint and gonna get you banned!!” I’ve heard this many times over the years of playing SOT.
I'm 100% on your side however. Nobody can bait you into saying anything that goes against code of conduct.
I also think mass reporting could be a issue. However I personally do believe Rare as a company isn't banning people without cause.
I've heard of a few people get temporary bans then complain about full bans. You would think once was enough.
@ajm123 said in Just mute/block the guy, reporting and banning players has gone too far:
@krizzsizzle said in Just mute/block the guy, reporting and banning players has gone too far:
Players we have ran up against our team often “bait” and banter until they get a reaction and that is immediately responded with,” I’m filing complaint and gonna get you banned!!” I’ve heard this many times over the years of playing SOT.
I'm 100% on your side however. Nobody can bait you into saying anything that goes against code of conduct.
Nobody can force but they can definitely bait people.
None of us are perfect all it takes is a right place right time right scenario to get people to engage in flawed behavior but it doesn't necessarily mean a person is overall "bad" it just means they were a human once. If it consistently is a thing then that's more context but anyone can have a bad moment .
I remember one time these teenagers attacked me and they were being teenagers showing all their teenageryness. One of them and I killed each other and on the ferry he called me a slur. Literally immediately he broke down with no response from me. I didn't threaten to report him he just broke down. The kid was amped up and he messed up. He was a human and he had a human moment. Him breaking down immediately told me more than the slur he used against me. We all have moments where we said or did something we wish we hadn't. Anyone can be egged on during certain moments of their lives. That's why it's important to encourage deescalation and moving on during these times rather than trying to play gotcha with other humans for our own weird perception of gain
@cramp If you are simply spawn killing in adventure without stealing supplies or doing it to keep them from repairing it is.
Probably all of us that play regularly or have played over the years have ran into this exact spawn killing situation. I’m speaking on the extremis you guys notes above, spawn killing just to ruin/bully a lesser player(s). Not to take supplies or treasure. It sucks when it happens but rather than report and look to have players banned, I simply scuttled and being that I had nothing at that point would often swap servers. Only then to receive messages of talking trash to us.
Once again, all players have the ability to block and mute players that you don’t like the content.
It doesn’t cross my mind to ban players until I have done the features avail to me to simply avoid players. Could be someone playing a players account, family friend or member, or simply having a bad day or time outside the game, but comes out during competitive outcomes. Block them, mute them then move on, banning/reporting isn’t the answer and in the log run has a high likely hood of being abused and pushing players away from this game.
I have never reported anyone, other than someone/group that had obviously modified the game in a cheating/advantage, and I DO believe that those players should be banned. I have only done that one time.
In that case the player had some kind of mod that he new the exact treasures that were avail on islands we were sailing past, and some other sights/boat/information that was obvious outside of the game. Plus the player admitted it.
At the end of the day, this game needs players. I chalk most of the negative interactions to circumstantial and move on. Rare needs to chill on banning, and I still believe that a permanent ban for anyone for banter/spawn killing is way to steep. IMO
Preciate all of you comments on this, I really do hope that some devs read these and would look at this as an opportunity for feedback.
Haven’t heard anyone, on here or in game conversation that loves/likes the idea of permanent banning, outside of modified cheating.
Saying that you can 'mute' players like it should allow anyone to say whatever they want is not a solution. If you can't control yourself, you're going to get warned and/or banned depending on the type of abuse.
You can't get banned for banter. You get banned for abusive language, which includes things like racism, homophobia, sexism etc...
In my personal opinion, there is no one that can get you banned other than yourself.
Everybody has their own free will and does as they choose, however, everybody has also agreed to adhere to the rules set out by Microsoft and Rare. Examples and consequences are also mentioned. Not reading them, doesn't excuse you following/being bound by them, much like all ToS/T's and C's.
Just being reported doesn't automatically equal a ban. Each report will be judged on a case by case basis and would require proof.
Despite "no reason" appearing to be the most common reason for folks getting banned, there is always a reason. Some people just like to play innocent!
@krizzsizzle said in Just mute/block the guy, reporting and banning players has gone too far:
Haven’t heard anyone, on here or in game conversation that loves/likes the idea of permanent banning, outside of modified cheating.
I'm not generally a permanent ban or harsh enforcement type of dude which I think is pretty clear in my posts but also I haven't seen any significant evidence of people getting over enforced upon
That doesn't mean all enforcement has been consistent or that I would personally agree with all enforcement but there isn't a whole lot of smoke out there for the fire alarm some people are ringing.
When there are serious issues involving crack downs that become destructive to the environment and success of the environment it tends to be pretty clear by the volume of complaints
Currently what it appears to me is that some people get popped and then they fight for their right to party but really it doesn't seem to be a situation where they are over using the bans on unjustly using them. I could be wrong it's just based on my observations
We know going in that people do that sort of stuff just gotta keep it witty and clever and within the rules and not fall into the no no word traps.
Step off the path once and you're doomed, since every single second is recorded and just talking over it instead, letting game stuff be game and not personal drama, wasn't the intenion of the others in the first place.
If we really be like that people should get banned for bad words anyways then in case of deliberate baiting the baiters should receive a strike too because they straight up incited this violation of the rule to happen and are therefore responsible for that as well imo.@wolfmanbush I use the ole blank them with kindness of I'm being baited I guess some are more immature then others
@ajm123 said in Just mute/block the guy, reporting and banning players has gone too far:
@krizzsizzle said in Just mute/block the guy, reporting and banning players has gone too far:
Players we have ran up against our team often “bait” and banter until they get a reaction and that is immediately responded with,” I’m filing complaint and gonna get you banned!!” I’ve heard this many times over the years of playing SOT.
I'm 100% on your side however. Nobody can bait you into saying anything that goes against code of conduct.
I also think mass reporting could be a issue. However I personally do believe Rare as a company isn't banning people without cause.
I've heard of a few people get temporary bans then complain about full bans. You would think once was enough.
Mass reporting doesn't work with how enforcement is set up, at least on Xbox. I knew this as far back as 2011, where the enforcement team specifically and publicly addressed this in a YouTube video showcasing how their system worked.
Also, OP says cheating is objective? It is not. It is often very clearly defined.
@ajm123 said in Just mute/block the guy, reporting and banning players has gone too far:
@wolfmanbush I use the ole blank them with kindness of I'm being baited I guess some are more immature then others
yeah, in a game full of kids and young people a lot of them are pretty immature. That's a part of being a person and being in the middle of development. I think a lot of people like spending a lot of time looking out a window at behavior rather than looking in a mirror at their own.
I grew up right before the internet and during the early stages of what the internet was becoming and barely escaped right before it became the monster it is.
We were all young we all screwed up, a lot. We just got away with it. We weren't marked for life. Rarely were we banned from anything.
I look at it like I've never met an innocent adult I've just met some people that are better than they used to be through consistent effort to line up their evolving values with their behavior.
This isn't condoning hurtful words or mean behavior this is just laying it out there that young people are subjected to a lot more widespread judgement in a world where every screw up they make is documented and used against them in a way some of us never had to go through.
I think it's important to remember that people screw up and a productive way to change that is for us to conduct ourselves consistently and with decency so that spreads to those around us and then more people want to participate in that consistency and decency.
Hunting our neighbor's behavior for social status sport is a dirty hobby imo
"accountability" has long been people out for revenge rather than trying to pull people up to where they can have some ground to stand on so they can improve themselves.
@wolfmanbush then a temporary ban should solve their problem.
I understand some kids might say things for the cringe factor.
Some might be baited into saying things.But if you receive 2 temporary bans don't expect forgiveness.
I'll be honest I've had communication bans on Xbox with in the 13 years I've played on my account.
It doubles everytime. 12 hours 24 hours 2 days until your at 2 weeks as far as I know
At what point do you go.... " oh maybe I shouldn't msg that to someone that"
@krizzsizzle said in Just mute/block the guy, reporting and banning players has gone too far:
Probably all of us that play regularly or have played over the years have ran into this exact spawn killing situation. I’m speaking on the extremis you guys notes above, spawn killing just to ruin/bully a lesser player(s). Not to take supplies or treasure. It sucks when it happens but rather than report and look to have players banned, I simply scuttled and being that I had nothing at that point would often swap servers. Only then to receive messages of talking trash to us.
Once again, all players have the ability to block and mute players that you don’t like the content.
It doesn’t cross my mind to ban players until I have done the features avail to me to simply avoid players. Could be someone playing a players account, family friend or member, or simply having a bad day or time outside the game, but comes out during competitive outcomes. Block them, mute them then move on, banning/reporting isn’t the answer and in the log run has a high likely hood of being abused and pushing players away from this game.
I have never reported anyone, other than someone/group that had obviously modified the game in a cheating/advantage, and I DO believe that those players should be banned. I have only done that one time.
In that case the player had some kind of mod that he new the exact treasures that were avail on islands we were sailing past, and some other sights/boat/information that was obvious outside of the game. Plus the player admitted it.
At the end of the day, this game needs players. I chalk most of the negative interactions to circumstantial and move on. Rare needs to chill on banning, and I still believe that a permanent ban for anyone for banter/spawn killing is way to steep. IMO
Preciate all of you comments on this, I really do hope that some devs read these and would look at this as an opportunity for feedback.
Haven’t heard anyone, on here or in game conversation that loves/likes the idea of permanent banning, outside of modified cheating.
Sorry, but a big no on a lot of what you are saying. If they are being abusive or bullying as in the case of infinite spawn camping then they absolutely need to be reported. Why enable this poor behavior by ignoring it? I let a lot of things slide like trash talking and swearing (to an extent - when it crosses the line into abuse/harassment I'm the first to report such behavior, both to Rare and Microsoft along with the mute and block options), but things like this need to be reported and acted upon or otherwise how else will we make the community a better place?
You are exaggerating the amount of people being "falsely" banned - just because you don't care or they are a friend of yours does not excuse poor behavior within an online game. If they got banned, they likely deserved it - baited or otherwise. Perma-bans are rarely given out and in those cases are well deserved - you really have to screw up in order to get one of these, not just trash talk.
Last note - isn't against forum policy to discuss moderation decisions here anyway? I'm surprised they let this go on as long as it has.
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@ajm123 said in Just mute/block the guy, reporting and banning players has gone too far:
@wolfmanbush I use the ole blank them with kindness of I'm being baited I guess some are more immature then others
yeah, in a game full of kids and young people a lot of them are pretty immature. That's a part of being a person and being in the middle of development. I think a lot of people like spending a lot of time looking out a window at behavior rather than looking in a mirror at their own.
I grew up right before the internet and during the early stages of what the internet was becoming and barely escaped right before it became the monster it is.
We were all young we all screwed up, a lot. We just got away with it. We weren't marked for life. Rarely were we banned from anything.
I look at it like I've never met an innocent adult I've just met some people that are better than they used to be through consistent effort to line up their evolving values with their behavior.
This isn't condoning hurtful words or mean behavior this is just laying it out there that young people are subjected to a lot more widespread judgement in a world where every screw up they make is documented and used against them in a way some of us never had to go through.
I think it's important to remember that people screw up and a productive way to change that is for us to conduct ourselves consistently and with decency so that spreads to those around us and then more people want to participate in that consistency and decency.
Hunting our neighbor's behavior for social status sport is a dirty hobby imo
I loved reading that. It's a difficult environment where adults meet kids who are expected to be just as disciplined and cautious as the former.
Funnily enough it can get troublesome the same for both groups as many tend to be very invested in their video game progress and the competition against others. ;)@ajm123 said in Just mute/block the guy, reporting and banning players has gone too far:
@wolfmanbush then a temporary ban should solve their problem.
I understand some kids might say things for the cringe factor.
Some might be baited into saying things.But if you receive 2 temporary bans don't expect forgiveness.
I'll be honest I've had communication bans on Xbox with in the 13 years I've played on my account.
It doubles everytime. 12 hours 24 hours 2 days until your at 2 weeks as far as I know
At what point do you go.... " oh maybe I shouldn't msg that to someone that"
I don't have an issue with suspensions and temporary restrictions to hold people accountable when it's warranted
I like the passion of this community. I like how many different types of people play the game and how much funny and cool and wholesome content is made, but when it comes to the toxic thing and people wanting to report each other all the time and misuse toxic accusations and baiting people and the general manipulative element that is spread around a lot I just don't dig that.
This is a game largely aimed at kids and a lot of the base are younger adults. Yeah the goal is a family friendly environment but we also need to remember that with that comes a lot of childish and immature behavior because of who the game appeals to.
I've seen a lot of baiting and manipulative narratives and encouragement about patrolling the seas to keep it clean which is really just this group wants to shut down that group.
There is a lot of manipulation and social bounty hunting within the toxicity stuff on the game and that's not how anyone really gets any better. It's not something that improves the environment it just contributes to and creates more negativity imo
Reporting should be a tool not a weapon and it should be used as a tool accurately and responsibly.
I think improving a community is more than just about reporting poor behavior it's about being reasonable with the power that comes with the ability to report someone. Deescalation and trying to handle the situation ourselves in a productive and good faith manner should be a priority imo.
The best thing to do is if you feel another player is getting under your skin and you can sense you are about to cross some lines as you react, then just mute them. You can’t control what others do, but you are responsible for your own reactions. Most players know when they have crossed a line and made it personal. The XBOX Live site gives a great explanation along with examples:
Know the difference between trash talk and harassment
We get it—gaming can be competitive and interactions with other players can get heated. A little trash talk is an expected part of competitive multiplayer action, and that’s not a bad thing. But hate has no place here, and what’s not okay is when that trash talk turns into harassment.
Trash talk includes any lighthearted banter or bragging that focuses on the game at hand and encourages healthy competition. Harassment includes any negative behavior that’s personalized, disruptive, or likely to make someone feel unwelcome or unsafe. To qualify as harassment, the behavior doesn’t have to be drawn-out or persistent. Even a single abusive message could harm someone’s experience. Know when to draw the line, when to back off. Know and respect the other player.
For example:
Acceptable trash talk includes
*Get destroyed. Can’t believe you thought you were on my level.
*That was some serious potato aim. Get wrecked.
*Only reason you went positive was you spent all game camping. Try again, kid.
*Cheap win. Come at me when you can actually drive without running cars off the road.
*That sucked. Get good and then come back when your k/d’s over 1.
Going too far looks like
*Get (sexual threat). Can’t believe you thought you were on my level.
*Hey (profanity), that was some serious potato aim. Get wrecked, trash.
*Only reason you went positive was you spent all game camping. KYS, kid.
*Cheap win. Totally expected from a (racial slur).
*You suck. Get out of my country—maybe they’ll let you back in when your k/d’s over 1.@ghostpaw said in Just mute/block the guy, reporting and banning players has gone too far:
The best thing to do is if you feel another player is getting under your skin and you can sense you are about to cross some lines as you react, then just mute them. You can’t control what others do, but you are responsible for your own reactions. Most players know when they have crossed a line and made it personal. The XBOX Live site gives a great explanation along with examples:
Know the difference between trash talk and harassment
We get it—gaming can be competitive and interactions with other players can get heated. A little trash talk is an expected part of competitive multiplayer action, and that’s not a bad thing. But hate has no place here, and what’s not okay is when that trash talk turns into harassment.
Trash talk includes any lighthearted banter or bragging that focuses on the game at hand and encourages healthy competition. Harassment includes any negative behavior that’s personalized, disruptive, or likely to make someone feel unwelcome or unsafe. To qualify as harassment, the behavior doesn’t have to be drawn-out or persistent. Even a single abusive message could harm someone’s experience. Know when to draw the line, when to back off. Know and respect the other player.
For example:
Acceptable trash talk includes
*Get destroyed. Can’t believe you thought you were on my level.
*That was some serious potato aim. Get wrecked.
*Only reason you went positive was you spent all game camping. Try again, kid.
*Cheap win. Come at me when you can actually drive without running cars off the road.
*That sucked. Get good and then come back when your k/d’s over 1.
Going too far looks like
*Get (sexual threat). Can’t believe you thought you were on my level.
*Hey (profanity), that was some serious potato aim. Get wrecked, trash.
*Only reason you went positive was you spent all game camping. KYS, kid.
*Cheap win. Totally expected from a (racial slur).
*You suck. Get out of my country—maybe they’ll let you back in when your k/d’s over 1.just for the record in case anyone was gonna try
the 2 I bolded are not acceptable during a argument with a significant other even though xbox finds them acceptable
@wolfmanbush said in Just mute/block the guy, reporting and banning players has gone too far:
just for the record in case anyone was gonna try
the 2 I bolded are not acceptable during a argument with a significant other even though xbox finds them acceptable
Lol! Typically, “Yes, I am wrong again dear” is a safe bet. But yeah, getting banned from the house is not an optimal outcome.
@musicmee but if you choose to play that way isn't that technically fine as you play the game as you please?
@galactic-geek
Also, OP says cheating is objective? It is not. It is often very clearly defined.Objective does mean clearly defined! It’s measurable and/or seen, objective is evident
Subjective however is not. It is biased because it’s based off ones belief of observation, hear say, people’s toleration, etc. subjective is opinion
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I guess I'll be the outlier here and agree with the reporter. Your friend must have done something worth being banned for to get banned, and had proff against him. They don't ban you just because. And buying a ton of cosmetics and irl stuff doesn't make you good player or excuse his actions, whatever they may have been. And as you said, he's been playing a long time, 2+ years, so it wasn't like he didn't know the consequences of his actions or words.
@ste4lthles said in Just mute/block the guy, reporting and banning players has gone too far:
@musicmee but if you choose to play that way isn't that technically fine as you play the game as you please?
All up until the point of your actions is solely to cause others grief such as excessive spawn camping with no other goal for it (like securing treasure and supplies or ensuring the ship sinks) or with the goal to drive them from the game. That is harassment and bullying which are clearly against both Rare's and Microsoft's code of conduct.
Don't use the "play the game as you please" justification when the way you want to play is solely to cause grief in other players. Once you've made the decision to make another player miserable in the game, you've likely already crossed the line. I'm not saying you can't be a bloodthirsty marauder or ruthless pirate in the game, just there are limits that many cross under the guise of "playing the game as you please".
@ghostpaw My favorite acceptable trash talk is " Talk to me when you matter" or "I know you need that more than I do" gets the most toxic players upset everytime :)
@fat-darth-vapor said in Just mute/block the guy, reporting and banning players has gone too far:
@ghostpaw My favorite acceptable trash talk is " Talk to me when you matter" or "I know you need that more than I do" gets the most toxic players upset everytime :)
I am sure your family is very proud.
