Exploits...

@klutchxking518 said in Exploits...:

@treefittymonsta you gonna contribute to your argument you started or just poke fun?

I am contributing. I was stunned at ur reply lol. I have not once poked fun at anyone's post. I appreciate ur post no matter how delusional they are.

you should not be able to bucket a scuttled sloop, and if u think that it is balanced mechanic via x-cancelling. there is no hope for u.

I know what ur doing. and I'm not following for it. your posts are a great contribution to this topic and I appreciate it.

@kommodoreyenser Aye... the bucket one could go either way. I think if something is performable by both parties, and is a knowledge upgrade, it's alright. Again, with juggling (which I think is silly and slow if you mess up even once), canceling, and water lunging, it's all a knowledge upgrade- you learn a secret move that helps you and can be taught to anyone.

I think these things are fine, and we shouldn't deem any of them foul play. Like I said, they are still in the game after years, they are likely not considered a problem. It's the same way the Devs adressed alliance servers- they arent a big enough problem, but if it becomes the meta, it will need adressing.

But if they stay as secret "up down up down a a b b" tricks, they arent a problem, but a way to improve your gameplay

@treefittymonsta it's not unbalanced. You can do it too, had you not whined and refused to.

@klutchxking518 said in Exploits...:

@treefittymonsta it's not unbalanced. You can do it too, had you not whined and refused to.

I'm not going to do it. because it's a blatant exploit. noone should be able to keep a ship up like what was depicted in the video.

I don't play dirty. and x cancelling is a dirty tactic. I would rather lose.

@treefittymonsta everyone can! Therefore, it's not unbalanced. It's performable by all parties.

Cheating is dirty. Taking advantage of the tools given to you is not dirty.

Besides, we're pirates. Talk dirty,play dirty, die dirty!

@klutchxking518 said in Exploits...:

@treefittymonsta everyone can! Therefore, it's not unbalanced. It's performable by all parties.

everyone can download aimbot or esp hacks, doesn't mean they are ok to use.

just because they're accessible to everyone, doesn't make them viable. I stand firm that I will not use these exploits. and if the devs deem these not exploits, either I'll use them or call the game broke starting the day they acknowledged it.

noone could possibly watch that video and say yep.. that's balanced.

but I appreciate u being the counter point in the discussion.

@treefittymonsta not everyone can download hacks, and it's against the rules.

Exploits are not. j0toro told you already, if you think something's against the rules, report it to them and find out.

@klutchxking518 said in Exploits...:

@treefittymonsta not everyone can download hacks, and it's against the rules.

Exploits are not. j0toro told you already, if you think something's against the rules, report it to them and find out.

everyone can download hacks. they aren't difficult to find. I don't use them. but I've had people admit they use them and I reported them.

exploiting is against the rules too.

and I plan to report offenders, but I still would like to discuss the topic on the forums in the meantime. and will continue to do so. if u think think the conversation is complete then please move on. you've made ur stance that these 'tactics' are valid, and that's ok.

I'm learning quite alot from everyone and there is still plenty to discuss.

@treefittymonsta all i'm saying is you are looking for an answer from rare. You want them to say yes or no.

But they aren't going to. Not yet. They don't see it to be a big enough issue to be fixed, nor a small enough thing to just remove. It adds a bit of "know this trick, and use it" to the game.

Refer to the Episode Two Podcast, they spoke of alliance servers. They aren't a fan of them, but they aren't against it. If they become the new meta, they will adress them. But these exploits are not widespread enough. If every new player and their grandma replaces bucketing with the speedbucket, then they'll adress it. But for now, they are fine, and they do not care yet. Shouting will bot make them care, nor will boycotting it.

In fact, you'd want it to become a more well-known trick for them to deal with it.

@klutchxking518 not to flex, but past posts I've made have received responses from devs.

I got triggered by how many SOT partners were doing it on streams recently, which prompted my rant. I think it's a very important conversation to have.. especially now.

the streamers were clearly at an advantage using these tactics / exploits... and with the new influx players coming with next week's update. it'd be great if the devs would ask there partners to stop with the exploiting, if it is indeed exploiting.

I have no ill will towards anyone. I'm just concerned about these tactics making the game a sweat fest, instead of the great game that I love.

don't get me wrong . I am one of the sweatiest on the seas.. but I can't fool myself by using tactics that feel utterly broken in my eyes.

edited: autocorrect is crazy sometimes.

@treefittymonsta Yes, it does give an advantage, but one that is readily available to anyone open to learning them.

I suggest you tweet at the @SoTPodcast #SoTPodcast and ask them there. That's your best bet. But I don't think Rare has an answer yet. I believe it's just like the Alliance Server question they were asked.

And I personally am fine with the exploits, because Rare is also fine with them. Doesn't mean they like them, but they haven't gone out against it yet. When/if they do, I'll stop. But until then, it is not in the rulebook.

@klutchxking518 agree thanks for the discussion. have a good one. and thanks for a spirited debate while I wait to put my tray table in the upright position. ahh wifi on the plane. it's the future.

@treefittymonsta Aye, I always enjoy a good verbal brawl in the old tavern, I do.

@flintlock-dan said in Exploits...:

@kommodoreyenser no, because it is just a game, no one can keep a ship up with a bunch of large holes in it. But people can move their arms quickly

Lol you didn’t watch the clip. Dude was super bucketing a sloop with the max number of tier 3 holes in it. The only reason it sank was he scuttled to achieve those holes and the ship reached the hard sink timer. The water wasn’t even halfway up bottom deck and did not gain any level.

Trust me like I said, a crew keeping their one super bucket guy alive will never sink, no matter how much damage you throw at them. I have been in a game with a guy on my crew doing this. 11 holes, almost no water in the ship the whole time.

This either needs to go or balance water gain and bucket amounts around it. It basically negates smaller crew fighting larger ones if the larger crew has even one of these guys. It also throws ballast ball in the trash can.

@klutchxking518 said in Exploits...:

@treefittymonsta Aye, I always enjoy a good verbal brawl in the old tavern, I do.

alright.. stick with me on this.

right now the meta to sink a ship is to have a dedicated boarder... if rare meant for fights to be more ship to ship rather than boarding. do u have the same stance of the x cancelling bucket.

@treefittymonsta we can shoot blunderbombs to knock people around and hurt them!

@wolfmanbush I haven't reported anyone. that was what was suggested by the rare employee. I watched streams for drops and that's when I saw all the sot partners using questionable means to win fights. loot juggling, ladder spamming, x cancelling, etc and it just looked like an exploit fest.

I have no intent to go on streams hunting for clips offenses, if rare is ok sponsoring an exploiter that's their perogative.

this post is to make them aware of the exploits that I've seen by sot partners, whether they act on it is up to them.

also this post is meant to discuss whether these 'tactics' are seen as exploits or viable in the community.

I have no ill will towards specific streamers.. but I do think their use of exploits isn't a good representation for rare since they are sponsored 'content'.

@wolfmanbush said in Exploits...:

@treefittymonsta said in Exploits...:

@wolfmanbush
I have no intent to go on streams hunting for clips offenses,

I'll start clipping when I see them used by SoT partners.

We are approaching Rick James' feet on Eddie Murphy's couch territory here

exactly, I'm not going to go watching old footage, to specifically hunt for clips,. but if I see it the next time watching for drops, I'll clip the offense and forward.

I feel like ur trying to get some kind of gotcha moment.. but it's fine if u find one. Im sure I've contradicted myself many times..and I'm fine with that. Im having this discussion with the hopes that I too will embrace the exploit.. 'tactics' 'finger quotes'

@wolfmanbush u need to rephrase ur last paragraph. I have no idea what u are saying. thanks for the comment, though