Yesterday we met some guys who assaulted us and then sent us to the xbox group. They were quite rude, in fact they teased and insulted with "NOOB" and various. We have continued to report. They are not the first ones we point out but we would like to understand if these people who have been reported got a punishiment. If this REPORT button works or if it has been pressed in vain also because when you signal don't know if the bans have occurred.
Sorry for eventuals errors, I'm not motherleanguage
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@galibestofsky the xbox report system works on a reputation level and is fully handled by microsoft
However the reporting via Rare’s website doesn't use that and allows you to put in a ticket and if you provide proof of the misconduct it will be handled with the proper expected due diligence.
The latter requires you to have proof of misconduct but i can say from experience with reporting players that it does lead to game bans
@callmebackdraft Hi and thanks for your answer!
Who can I turn to inside Microsoft? do you know a forum? because these behaviors are starting to tire me...
Sorry for eventual errors, I'm not mother leanguage@burnbacon Hi and thanks for your answer!
I accept party because often with opponents I had a few laughs, and noob was just one of the insults... he also gave us incapable, inferior and other
I want also make better Sea of thieves and xbox community@galibestofsky i’m afraid that i don’t know the best route in contacting microsoft for that.
I also doubt that they will go into detail on if someone got punished or not this due to some privacy legislation that can come into effect at that point.
How the ms reputation system works:
If enough reports of a certain kind are evident on a player then any of the following can and will happen:
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reports of unsportive/toxic behaviour: (temporary) communications ban (eg no talking, typing etc)
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reports of cheating: game data will be analysed and if suspicious behaviour is detected a (temporary) xbox live services ban will come into effect
There is more courses of action and this is only a small insight into things, everthing of course has more nuance etc etc
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@callmebackdraft Thank you very much. I'll turn to xbox support.
Sorry for eventual errors, I'm not mother leanguage@galibestofsky sagte in Game Ban:
@burnbacon Hi and thanks for your answer!
I accept party because often with opponents I had a few laughs, and noob was just one of the insults... he also gave us incapable, inferior and other
I want also make better Sea of thieves and xbox communityAll Power to you, trashtalkers need to be Reported and warned at least.
Toxicity has no room in any Game.@stundorn
I respectfully disagree sir. Trash talking is half the fun, and not at all a problem. If the trash talk includes racist, sexist, or otherwise distasteful language (but no profanity) it should be dealt with, but thats no longer trash talking.acceptable trash talk would be something like "you die quick, see you soon and i hope you bring your game this time" or maybe "bring that loot over here, you have no chance of keeping it" maybe even "My grandmothers pistol skills are better than yours!"
this kind of trash talk is not only acceptable, but like i said its half the fun. i love it when someone trash talks then i wipe the floor with them, great stuff. anyways, on some things people should be less sensitive. With all that being said truly toxic people should be banned.
what you mentioned is not trash talk to me this is "roleplay".
trashtalk is something i'm not allowed or even able to type in here.
f... noob, you are trash, pve lord, bot
you f... a...holes i f... your m... type of speech.sorry for circumventing the profanity filter, to try to make clear what i meant.
i encounter this regularily, be it on the loser or the winners side.
this is the "normal" quality of speech a lot of people try to justify and call it banter only.
But the tone how something is said is important too!
To me this is pure toxicity because of exageration about a video game and not beeing able to stay playfull, relaxed and playing for fun.
A lot of gamers are so eager and serious they have strong feeelings and a bad education what is revealed easily and very quickly when it comes to PvP, its sour losers and the tocix bullies in games who would get slapped irl if they behave like this and because they dont have the balls to do it irl, they need to vent and behave like jerks in videogames, passive agressiveness and such.
Tons of Gamers are exactly that.Toxicity has no room in any Game.
Toxicity is a watered down power grab. People use it to control others. "I don't like this so a person should lose access"
Exactly why bans should be few and far between. People have the tools to control their own situations. Mute/block/ignore. That solves a situation immediately
A person's sensitivities and manipulation/control tactics shouldn't deny access to others.
Toxicity doesn't mean anything because it's overused constantly for everything from mild unpleasant interactions to gameplay which isn't toxic at all. If people want power then use the power they already have to handle their own situations with block/mute/ignore and move on.
You cannot contact Microsoft's Enforcement Team directly. Reporting to MS can work, but you're not told when someone is disciplined. Obscenities, Hate speech and violent threats will usually have action taken against them. Cheaters (few and far between) are best reported to MS, they have the best tools for checking.
Rare will handle things in SoT only. Video proof is best, so use your capture option. Not sure if they tell you someone's been disciplined or not, but you can explain your reasons for reporting when you make your support ticket.
Bans are usually used for the most vile types of speech. Depending on what they said they will at most get a communications ban for a few days. Most companies nowadays won't tell the person what the outcome of the report is because people more than likely complain when they do not get the outcome they wanted.
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"The other problem is proof. For bans, especially permanent bans like you are suggesting some kind of proof is required. Microsoft can't take your word for it. If that were allowed then I could invite you into a party, then report you to Microsoft saying that you used horrible language. When you clearly didn't. Some players that are mad at for being attacked could use it as a vindictive way of getting revenge, (some already do) , others will use it because they want to screw other people over just because.
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Some players believe that they shouldn't have to get proof because how would it ever cause an issue. Here is the thing, people will believe the WORST in humanity but when we suggest that the very same people would abuse such things they believe that somehow they will be immune to it all.
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If you have no proof then you are going to be hard pressed to get them banned. Be prepared next time something like that happens. The xbox and PC have settings that allowed you to record the previous 1 , 3 , 5 , or even 30 mins of game play and audio with a click of a button.
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Move on from this, let it go and just understand that whats done is done and just be ready for the next time.i understand what you want to say, i agree a lot exagerate even on what is really toxic and what is not.
See, at best we would all take the pirate code serious and treat is as a code of honor, an unwritten law everybody follows like we have undertood that killing each other irl is not very productive.
I dont like when things get played down and the victim is blamed.
You can mute everyone. btw, you need to do that every session, afaik it wont keep others muted, you have to do that everytime you login, may be wrong, but if you got insulted its to late.
Also i apreciate having a speaking trumpet, i like to interact with others in a playfull way.
I also be friendly when i PvP and i do that kind of roleplay @shifty189 mentioned.
blue and red lights, This is the police we have some serious accusations about you are not paying the tax, so we will come to investigate your ship and seize your booty, please cooperate or we need to sink you."
Or: "Arrrr you filthy landlubbers, this is Captain Stundorn, you have two options now, hand us over the booty or get killed and sunk.", "Whatever you do, we need that flag, i have lost my pants and these are the colors i ever wanted to make pants of."I dont agree with mute everyone per se and limit myself because of some jerks who lack education and realize it's a videogame we play and nothing serious or fundamental.
I also dont agree with playing it down and harden up.
See, i'm not hurt by insults, i'm a grown up man, if people do that they show me their weakspot and how much they lack self-confidence and get upset about a videogame.I for sure have also emotions while playing and i fur sure got upset because something went wrong and not the way i expected or wanted it to be, but i can a) control this and b) its something that occurs for a second and then i laugh again, maybe about myself who has been slipped on the ice. Damn it hurts, haha you (me) are an idiot :)
Nip it in the bud i say, dont accept this inapropriate behaviour and dont play it down, it has nothing to do with playing or having fun.
I know we cannot get rid of it entirely, there will allways be some who need to go ahead and learn something, become more educated, controlled and empathic, and some never will be, but to play it down or ignore it is not the way.
I'm from germany, i can see some political parties arise again allover the world.
"This please i should be allowed to say..." is how they allways justify their racist slurs - no sorry you are not!no sexism, no talk about my parents, kids, neighbours, ethnies in a derogative, insulting way.
You can do that at home, with your related people, it's private, do whatever you want, you can rant there by heart, i do as well sometimes, but in a videogame, where dad or mom play with their kids, where everyone is welcome, were kids play that sound younger than my daughter and for sure are only 12 or so, where a lot of girls and women- we have some wonderfull piratess in our crew, where people of all ethnies, religions and what not are welcome - there is no room for any form of toxcity.If you lack to control your feelings and you allways need to vent and get upset and cross the line of impeccable good taste then we as a community need to stand up and say, sorry bro' this is not the players we want or accept here. Get in line, control yourself, stay playfull and somewhat mpathic with your fellow players or you have to leave.
This is a videogame, if you have problems that make you such a hatefull person, solve them and then you are welcome to comeback and provide to a pirate adventure game as a dread pirate, but nice and caring player.Sorry, but the ignore it, block it and mute it is not what it solves any problems, but gives them the room to flourish and silently grow bigger and bigger until the whole community is a trashtalking mess.
This game wanted to provide a social experience. I can refuse to make a social experience when the majority is
online jerks and bullies who need to compensate something.If we PvP there is always 1 crew we encounter who is overly toxic be it the sour loser or the winner who feels the need to call you a mf bot etc...
Sorry, but not acceptable. I report everyone crossing the line - completely unneccessary and it shows what kind of gamers they are - they provide nothing, absolutely nothing to the community or the game.
Therefore i always said Arena attracts the wrong people and we know the numbers about toxicity reports in relation, dont we.
No sir, i have zero symapthy and zero acceptance for that. People should grew up and we as a community, society and what not should not turn around and ignore this, but stand firm, tell them its inacceptable and ask them to rethink their actions and become better fellow players or leave.
If evidence is provided in the report I have no issue with bringing attention to the accounts of pirates that are targeting children, female gamers for being female, the identity of gamers, the race, sexuality and religious beliefs of gamers. Serious targeted attacks against family. Releasing of people's personal information.
That's what it's there for and cases of that with evidence should be what fills the queue.
Letting a lot of the unpleasantness go rather than reporting it allows more attention to be given to the cases above. Cases fall through the cracks when mild unpleasantries are reported in mass.
@wolfmanbush said in Game Ban:
If evidence is provided in the report I have no issue with bringing attention to the accounts of pirates that are targeting children, female gamers for being female, the identity of gamers, the race, sexuality and religious beliefs of gamers. Serious targeted attacks against family. Releasing of people's personal information.
That's what it's there for and cases of that with evidence should be what fills the queue.
Letting a lot of the unpleasantness go rather than reporting it allows more attention to be given to the cases above. Cases fall through the cracks when mild unpleasantries are reported in mass.
yeah people now adays are evil i was going to say a swear but you know anyways people get easily offended as well and in the case of dr. suess i don't think there was anything wrong with that and that's why i think people are way to politically correct
agree on that. i normally have video evidence, but sometimes it doesnt work or i have forgot to activate it after an update of my drivers.
When i dont have an evidence i dont bother to report, makes no sense.I have to say: It seems also be a region thing maybe.
It occurs more often when i play very late night and maybe get merge on an US server.
The EU servers are somwhat balanced imho.
Like i said there is always that crew that crossed the line, but mostly they dont.
2 Weeks ago - and i couldnt record it - the piratess in my crew got insulted so bad - because she boarded and killed two pirates - and she's on xbox and we are mostly PC players, that was so inacceptable and sexist, i very, very rarely say something then, but this time i told them grown ups are playing here and its maybe time for the kids to go to bed and think over what they talk and remind themself they play a videogame and their life isn's in danger and we also didnt rob their grandma.
Calm down - of course she wasnt hurted, but was it fun? No, it allways leave that bitter taste you dont expect from playing a game, no matter if you've lost or won and bested another player.
My father after a chess match used to say: The combatants have no anger o hatred in their harts - hard to translate into english, but this is maybe what fits the best. Respect each other, its a game my god.
Who irl want to play with that sour loser or that idiot who feel the need to retaliate (not the right word, kick someone who's already beaten on the floor i meant) and insult him or her?
I tell you, nobody plays with them - this is something the anonymity of internet makes possible and some i feel start cultivating it.
Some streamers do it very subtle, they hide their toxic nature play good guy, while beeing arrogant, elitist and such, but thats another story.So, sure a word said in the heat of the battle doesnt hurt anyone.
I also said in the PvE and PvP megathread that i think the authentic reaction of someone who got bested is less toxic, even if it was unneccesary and provoking extra, than some skilled dudes provoking this normal human reaction and show him or her off in the internet and say: look this salty loser, hahaha, we teched them a lesson.
This i think is more toxic and salty than the one getting upset for a second or two.to much blabla :D
Thing is, there are some who cross the line way too far and become even obessed in insulting and provoking you.
Also i can hear it in their voice, the tone. We have a saying. The tone makes the musik.
I can call you an a..hole and smile, in my local slang that word can even be used as a compliment, you lovely a...hole :D
But if i recognize hate and uncontrolled emotions and someone is overly toxic, i dont ignore this and mute, but report them.what you mentioned is not trash talk to me this is "roleplay".
trashtalk is something i'm not allowed or even able to type in here.
f... noob, you are trash, pve lord, bot
you f... a...holes i f... your m... type of speech.sorry for circumventing the profanity filter, to try to make clear what i meant.
i encounter this regularily, be it on the loser or the winners side.
this is the "normal" quality of speech a lot of people try to justify and call it banter only.
But the tone how something is said is important too!
To me this is pure toxicity because of exageration about a video game and not beeing able to stay playfull, relaxed and playing for fun.
A lot of gamers are so eager and serious they have strong feeelings and a bad education what is revealed easily and very quickly when it comes to PvP, its sour losers and the tocix bullies in games who would get slapped irl if they behave like this and because they dont have the balls to do it irl, they need to vent and behave like jerks in videogames, passive agressiveness and such.
Tons of Gamers are exactly that.even all of what your are saying I'm 100% fine with. that's just trash talk and not a problem. lets all keep in mind that this is a video game that includes shooting people, theft, blowing people up, impaling people with swords, sharks eating people, Tentacle monsters doing strange things to people (OK well the Kraken anyways), and other "adult themed" content. A few bad words shouldn't be that big of a thing. and people being sore sports is all just part of life. The real bannable stuff (in my opinion) is the hate stuff, racist and sexist stuff. i mean its very much like walking down the street and someone starts yelling at you, and using profanity. are you going to run to a cop and try to get the guy arrested, or just ignore him and move on with your day?
@shifty189 sagte in Game Ban:
are you going to run to a cop and try to get the guy arrested, or just ignore him and move on with your day?
are you from US? i feel this is a culture related thing.
I will maybe call the cops and report and get some hundred bucks for free ^^sorry inacceptable, in my youth i maybe would have hurt him so he need to visit a hospital, but i've learned this isnt the way.
I know to ignore someone is strenght, but to close my eyes all the time is not the way to go.
Yu have a child? I have.
What do you do if some idiots insult her so she starts crieing, tell her to bear it and let them have their way or will you start something against it so another girl wont suffer the way your child did?What do you do when the N**i's start talking nonsense and insult you, your neighbour, your childs, because they look different?
You look aside and ignore it?Sorry sir, i understand not everything needs to be overstressed and i dont want to exagerate on some words only,
but there is only one way to end this.
And this is zero tolerance, standing up and say something against it.
Not ignore it and bear it.I can and have or need to bear alot things in my live, i can do that to some degree, but there is a fine line and some like and justify it too often to cross this line like it's naturally or not a big deal.
there are snowflakes, i dont want to protect over sensible persons who feel insulted because i looked at them the way i do, but i'm rather to protect an overly sensible person than help justifying toxicity and play it down.
But you know what, from my expereince in this forum, i'm already a Don Quichote on that matter.
No worries, do what you like i think nobody here is one of the players who is overly toxic.
The ones i know from the forums i have blocked already and i dont hesitate to block such people if i get aware of how they think.@wolfmanbush Hi and Thanks for your answer!
Bans should be few and far betweenIn Italy we use video games to have fun, not to be insulted both in a vulgar and not vulgar way... I've often received insults like "YOUR MOTHER HURT YOU" and yesterday's was the straw that made the pot overflow
Sorry for eventuals error, I'm not mother leanguage
@galibestofsky said in Game Ban:
@mxyzptlt Hi and Thanks for your answer!
I believe that no kind of insult should be used, serious or not... I was also referring to bans in general
Sorry for eventual errors, I'm not mother leanguagePeople are flawed. Every one of us. What are we really accomplishing by turning mole hills into mountains out of language that we personally don't agree with?
What goes around has a way of coming around. That goes for people that are unpleasant and that goes for people that want to police others over imperfections. Not everyone digs how I talk not everyone digs how you talk. We all speak in a way that offends someone somewhere. I don't much get the personal philosophy behind narc'ing on or policing minor infractions.
@shifty189 sagte in Game Ban:
are you going to run to a cop and try to get the guy arrested, or just ignore him and move on with your day?
are you from US? i feel this is a culture related thing.
I will maybe call the cops and report and get some hundred bucks for free ^^sorry inacceptable, in my youth i maybe would have hurt him so he need to visit a hospital, but i've learned this isnt the way.
I know to ignore someone is strenght, but to close my eyes all the time is not the way to go.
Yu have a child? I have.
What do you do if some idiots insult her so she starts crieing, tell her to bear it and let them have their way or will you start something against it so another girl wont suffer the way your child did?What do you do when the N**i's start talking nonsense and insult you, your neighbour, your childs, because they look different?
You look aside and ignore it?Sorry sir, i understand not everything needs to be overstressed and i dont want to exagerate on some words only,
but there is only one way to end this.
And this is zero tolerance, standing up and say something against it.
Not ignore it and bear it.I can and have or need to bear alot things in my live, i can do that to some degree, but there is a fine line and some like and justify it too often to cross this line like it's naturally or not a big deal.
there are snowflakes, i dont want to protect over sensible persons who feel insulted because i looked at them the way i do, but i'm rather to protect an overly sensible person than help justifying toxicity and play it down.
But you know what, from my expereince in this forum, i'm already a Don Quichote on that matter.
No worries, do what you like i think nobody here is one of the players who is overly toxic.
The ones i know from the forums i have blocked already and i don't hesitate to block such people if i get aware of how they think.a lot here to unpack, but i think you might be right about this being a cultural thing.
- yes i live in the USA and we are either very thick or very thin skinned, I'll let you determine what flavor of American i am
- i don't know where in the world you live, but where i live we have the freedom to say whatever we want. its our way of life, perhaps my "calling the cops" statement may not have been useful here.
- yes i do have a small child. She is 5
- if someone insults her i talk to her about it. I help her understand that people are allowed to say whatever they want, and its only words. Thankfully no one has said anything too bad to my little girl or i would likely not have internet access in my 3x3 cell ;)
- if Nazzi's or anyone else starts saying stupid things, i act the same. I tend to give ignorant people the rope they need to hang themself. understand that we are talking about words, and words are only harmful if you let them be. this is even more true when the words are spoken from a child (like is mostly the case in this and other games)
TLDR: I think you and i may just be different kinds of people. if this kind of thing bothers you that much maybe a violent video game isn't the spot for you to relax. (absolutely no disrespect intended)
@wolfmanbush Hi and thanks for your answer!
Block is no use because blocked people can offend others who don't know they're rude
Sorry for evental errors, I'm not mother leanguage@pithyrumble Hi and thanks for your answer!
In fact, I will talk to Microsoft regarding the signal button in general.Sorry for eventuals error, I'm not mother leanguage
@xultanis-dragon Hi and thanks for your answer!
The advice seems very useful to me, but from XBOX ONE S how do I attach files?
Sorry for eventuals errors, I'm not mother leanguage@galibestofsky said in Game Ban:
@wolfmanbush Hi and thanks for your answer!
Block is no use because blocked people can offend others who don't know they're rude
Sorry for evental errors, I'm not mother leanguageThere are no standards for offensive. Some don't let things bother them and some like me just find anger funny including my own.
Last night I took some dude's reaper chest at the reaper's hideout and he (in a short fit of rage) gave me a colorful example of words that he uses for special occasions. Should this kid be banned? of course not, he doesn't know me he's not targeting me based on anything he knows about me he just got upset and had a fit. Sometimes you just gotta let people be people even when they aren't showing their best versions and let it slide
Maybe he had a bad day. Maybe things are going rough for him. Maybe he's dealing with stuff. Maybe he's just an unpleasant dude who knows. Targeting people based on personal stuff ain't cool but someone getting upset and blindly raging on a game isn't something to take personal.
@hijack-hayes Hi and Thanks for your answer!
Report a person is a player's right
Sorry for eventuals errors, I'm not mother leanguage@stundorn ha detto in Game Ban:
i understand what you want to say, i agree a lot exagerate even on what is really toxic and what is not.
See, at best we would all take the pirate code serious and treat is as a code of honor, an unwritten law everybody follows like we have undertood that killing each other irl is not very productive.
I dont like when things get played down and the victim is blamed.
You can mute everyone. btw, you need to do that every session, afaik it wont keep others muted, you have to do that everytime you login, may be wrong, but if you got insulted its to late.
Also i apreciate having a speaking trumpet, i like to interact with others in a playfull way.
I also be friendly when i PvP and i do that kind of roleplay @shifty189 mentioned.
blue and red lights, This is the police we have some serious accusations about you are not paying the tax, so we will come to investigate your ship and seize your booty, please cooperate or we need to sink you."
Or: "Arrrr you filthy landlubbers, this is Captain Stundorn, you have two options now, hand us over the booty or get killed and sunk.", "Whatever you do, we need that flag, i have lost my pants and these are the colors i ever wanted to make pants of."I dont agree with mute everyone per se and limit myself because of some jerks who lack education and realize it's a videogame we play and nothing serious or fundamental.
I also dont agree with playing it down and harden up.
See, i'm not hurt by insults, i'm a grown up man, if people do that they show me their weakspot and how much they lack self-confidence and get upset about a videogame.I for sure have also emotions while playing and i fur sure got upset because something went wrong and not the way i expected or wanted it to be, but i can a) control this and b) its something that occurs for a second and then i laugh again, maybe about myself who has been slipped on the ice. Damn it hurts, haha you (me) are an idiot :)
Nip it in the bud i say, dont accept this inapropriate behaviour and dont play it down, it has nothing to do with playing or having fun.
I know we cannot get rid of it entirely, there will allways be some who need to go ahead and learn something, become more educated, controlled and empathic, and some never will be, but to play it down or ignore it is not the way.
I'm from germany, i can see some political parties arise again allover the world.
"This please i should be allowed to say..." is how they allways justify their racist slurs - no sorry you are not!no sexism, no talk about my parents, kids, neighbours, ethnies in a derogative, insulting way.
You can do that at home, with your related people, it's private, do whatever you want, you can rant there by heart, i do as well sometimes, but in a videogame, where dad or mom play with their kids, where everyone is welcome, were kids play that sound younger than my daughter and for sure are only 12 or so, where a lot of girls and women- we have some wonderfull piratess in our crew, where people of all ethnies, religions and what not are welcome - there is no room for any form of toxcity.If you lack to control your feelings and you allways need to vent and get upset and cross the line of impeccable good taste then we as a community need to stand up and say, sorry bro' this is not the players we want or accept here. Get in line, control yourself, stay playfull and somewhat mpathic with your fellow players or you have to leave.
This is a videogame, if you have problems that make you such a hatefull person, solve them and then you are welcome to comeback and provide to a pirate adventure game as a dread pirate, but nice and caring player.Sorry, but the ignore it, block it and mute it is not what it solves any problems, but gives them the room to flourish and silently grow bigger and bigger until the whole community is a trashtalking mess.
This game wanted to provide a social experience. I can refuse to make a social experience when the majority is
online jerks and bullies who need to compensate something.If we PvP there is always 1 crew we encounter who is overly toxic be it the sour loser or the winner who feels the need to call you a mf bot etc...
Sorry, but not acceptable. I report everyone crossing the line - completely unneccessary and it shows what kind of gamers they are - they provide nothing, absolutely nothing to the community or the game.
Therefore i always said Arena attracts the wrong people and we know the numbers about toxicity reports in relation, dont we.
No sir, i have zero symapthy and zero acceptance for that. People should grew up and we as a community, society and what not should not turn around and ignore this, but stand firm, tell them its inacceptable and ask them to rethink their actions and become better fellow players or leave.
the pirate code rightly doesn't follow it anybody. But I received even bigger insults like "You're not up to it" and said with annoying arrogance. You also mention the bad talk of family members and it happened to me during another game session
@galibestofsky
at the end of the day here is the problem, who says what is offensive or toxic? we already have a problem with people getting reported for sinking a ship. even in your own post you say "But I received even bigger insults like "You're not up to it"" "Your not up to it" isn't an insult, isn't toxic, and honestly isn't even a little bit offensive.again we are talking about words, and words from a person that isn't even in front of you. laugh at the little kid and tell them how small they are being, then go on with your life. really there isn't much more to it than that unless we are going to ban everyone for everything.
@closinghare208 Hi and thank for your answer!
I don't understand what are you saying can you simplify?
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