Ive seen a post on a sea of thieves wiki claiming there is an ‘upcoming’ 8 person ship known as the frigate.
Is this speculation or has it been confirmed?
I honestly feel an 8 person ship would kill balance for any slooper or brigantine.
We dont need that many people on a ship. Hard enough getting a somewhat competent galleon.
@illbushido305 said in 8 Person Frigate Confirmed?:
Nowhere was this ever said.
https://seaofthieves.fandom.com/wiki/Frigate
Well clearly it has been said.
My question is whether its been confirmed or not. If the person behind the article is mistaken.
I really hope this is not happening.
This is a better wiki:
It doesn't mention frigate anywhere, and actually looking at the history of the page you referenced shows the "Frigate" page being created in Jan 2018, before the game released. The photo on the page isn't even from the game, the frigate page is not linked to from any other ship pages, and the first sentence says "When it is considered to be in development"
Seems like bologna to me.
@d3adst1ck said in 8 Person Frigate Confirmed?:
This is a better wiki:
It doesn't mention frigate anywhere, and actually looking at the history of the page you referenced shows the "Frigate" page being created in Jan 2018, before the game released. The photo on the page isn't even from the game, the frigate page is not linked to from any other ship pages, and the first sentence says "When it is considered to be in development"
Seems like bologna to me.
Ah thats good.
Dont get me wrong, this frigate would be awesome in maybe arena but im glad sloops and brigs dont need to fight them! lol
Thanks for the wiki link.
I’ll use this from now on :)
@daringclarky The ONLY thing said about more ships was that Mike Chapman said they had experimented with other ship types, and that it was "very fulfilling". When asked if they went down to a 1 person ship or up to a 6, Andrew Preston said "think bigger" This is the only hint I've seen at a 6+ person ship.
@aceherock A 3 person sloop would be unsinkable. I know this because ive been on a 3 person sloop before and with the revive system, we were unsinkable. We took over the seas.
Dedicated repairer, one steering and one on cannons. Theres nothing stopping that thing.
@DaringClarky
I'd beg to differ. You may have gotten lucky, but if I'm reading into larger ships; big boi ships. You'd quickly lose. The nature of cursed cannonballs negates how many pirates you're up against. The odds can quickly turn against a sloop who gets sleep/jig/grog balled.
Honestly, more ship types (which are not speedy) would be a great benefit to the game. I have a lot of friends, all of whom love to play SoT with me, but the ships don't allow us all to "sail together". It is a sad thing when we literally have to pick and choose who we can sail with that weekend.
Man-o-War, Frigates, and other ship types would liven the seas in different, new ways. And having interesting things done to cannon placement, or even a new type of ship weapon would mean that it would feel impactful.
Furthermore, I feel that including +1 to each crew capacity would make things feel enriched overall. There's always something to do on the ship... (Nobody realizes that +1 on a sloop means you have a dedicated resource and X-hunter.)
@amendelwyr said in 8 Person Frigate Confirmed?:
@DaringClarky
I'd beg to differ. You may have gotten lucky, but if I'm reading into larger ships; big boi ships. You'd quickly lose. The nature of cursed cannonballs negates how many pirates you're up against. The odds can quickly turn against a sloop who gets sleep/jig/grog balled.Honestly, more ship types (which are not speedy) would be a great benefit to the game. I have a lot of friends, all of whom love to play SoT with me, but the ships don't allow us all to "sail together". It is a sad thing when we literally have to pick and choose who we can sail with that weekend.
Man-o-War, Frigates, and other ship types would liven the seas in different, new ways. And having interesting things done to cannon placement, or even a new type of ship weapon would mean that it would feel impactful.
Furthermore, I feel that including +1 to each crew capacity would make things feel enriched overall. There's always something to do on the ship... (Nobody realizes that +1 on a sloop means you have a dedicated resource and X-hunter.)
Perhaps that all sounds good on paper. But the reality is that the best ship is the sloop.
Ive ruined gally crews and brigs as duo sloop and the only hardest fights have been other duo sloopers.
Bigger ships would in adventure mode just become more annoying instead of enriching.
Reason being an 8 person ship could repeatedly fire crew like ammunition to board you.
I think bigger ships would be best suited for skelly ships perhaps captain flameheart.
Current crew numbers are sufficient. A 3 person sloop would be too overpowering.
@daringclarky
I find the idea a larger crew size to be refreshing, as the size increase across the board equates to more amicable combat times rather than a few holes and a one-ball, you're done. Your boarder died just moments after he jumped ship. It's all over now.
Galleons/Brigs of competent crews against a competent duo sloop are still in the same matter of RNG-realm. Simply saying that you and a friend on the sloop are the most deadly thing on the seas isn't the great equalizer on paper or automatically in the majority. New players, solo but-not-that-good, and duo-sloopers of good friends with average skill make up the majority of players/peers in my circles and experiences... Added to the fact that we're continually disappointed that we can't sail together.
The point of a 8-person ship is to be a dire threat. It says, "Get away or I will destroy you." But, it also says, "We're probably carrying a hefty load of loot, matey." And yeah, more people means more action economy for that crew. More boarders possible, but a larger ship means more holes possible that they need to take care of. There are pros and cons to these things overall.
More ship types = more variety to a growing staleness to the game's meta. If you don't have personal progression in a character's ability to survive/fight, you have to build that progression beyond them. There's no classes of crew-members, they just have impromptu jobs. There's no armor to wear. There's no skill-tree to unlock. No swapping out ship weapon types or getting stronger harpoons, etc. Everyone is on the same playing field. Until you hit ship-size. Ship and crew size = Various advantages and disadvantages. How someone makes use of these is of course only accomplished with communication and practice.
You say that the sloop is the best ship, and I don't disagree fully... It's fast, nimble, and rather sturdy to keep afloat... But, I need more than a sloop to play with all my friends. And right now, that requires more crew or even bigger ships. And I'm sure there are others who want that too.
And if we want to flail with "My duo-sloop has crushed galleons!" - How many duo-sloops died to galleons? Same for brigs. It's not the ship that defines player's communications or skill.
If Rare intends to implement a new ship, it will be either a very large Frigate/Man-o-War, or a snappy solo gunboat which has little chance of defeating anything alone. It will come down to what they intend to do with Adventure.
More adventure? More ships.
That's what I want anyway.
@amendelwyr agreed, I think more ship types is definitely needed, and if they are not willing to add a larger ship then I would like to see more variations of current ships, looking and performing slightly differently. I am all for a larger ship as me and my friends keep needing to split up into different sessions because there is more than 4 on a regular basis. One of us needs to sacrifice on a regular basis so the rest of us can have fun.
@amendelwyr said in 8 Person Frigate Confirmed?:
@daringclarky
I find the idea a larger crew size to be refreshing, as the size increase across the board equates to more amicable combat times rather than a few holes and a one-ball, you're done. Your boarder died just moments after he jumped ship. It's all over now.Galleons/Brigs of competent crews against a competent duo sloop are still in the same matter of RNG-realm. Simply saying that you and a friend on the sloop are the most deadly thing on the seas isn't the great equalizer on paper or automatically in the majority. New players, solo but-not-that-good, and duo-sloopers of good friends with average skill make up the majority of players/peers in my circles and experiences... Added to the fact that we're continually disappointed that we can't sail together.
The point of a 8-person ship is to be a dire threat. It says, "Get away or I will destroy you." But, it also says, "We're probably carrying a hefty load of loot, matey." And yeah, more people means more action economy for that crew. More boarders possible, but a larger ship means more holes possible that they need to take care of. There are pros and cons to these things overall.
More ship types = more variety to a growing staleness to the game's meta. If you don't have personal progression in a character's ability to survive/fight, you have to build that progression beyond them. There's no classes of crew-members, they just have impromptu jobs. There's no armor to wear. There's no skill-tree to unlock. No swapping out ship weapon types or getting stronger harpoons, etc. Everyone is on the same playing field. Until you hit ship-size. Ship and crew size = Various advantages and disadvantages. How someone makes use of these is of course only accomplished with communication and practice.
You say that the sloop is the best ship, and I don't disagree fully... It's fast, nimble, and rather sturdy to keep afloat... But, I need more than a sloop to play with all my friends. And right now, that requires more crew or even bigger ships. And I'm sure there are others who want that too.
And if we want to flail with "My duo-sloop has crushed galleons!" - How many duo-sloops died to galleons? Same for brigs. It's not the ship that defines player's communications or skill.
If Rare intends to implement a new ship, it will be either a very large Frigate/Man-o-War, or a snappy solo gunboat which has little chance of defeating anything alone. It will come down to what they intend to do with Adventure.
More adventure? More ships.
That's what I want anyway.
More doesnt mean better though.
If you want to pvp, attacking a ship that wins on numbers nearly every time wouldnt work.
You wouldnt win by boarding, you wouldnt win by combat due to their repair crew and to make it worse, you wouldnt get their loot and they sail undisputed....unless theres another ship of its type to challenge it.
That renders all other ships rubbish.
It means all people sail is 8 man ships.
That takes content away instead of adding.
@daringclarky
More doesnt mean better though.
If you want to pvp, attacking a ship that wins on numbers nearly every time wouldnt work.You wouldnt win by boarding, you wouldnt win by combat due to their repair crew and to make it worse, you wouldnt get their loot and they sail undisputed....unless theres another ship of its type to challenge it.
That renders all other ships rubbish.
It means all people sail is 8 man ships.That takes content away instead of adding.
Adding a ship does not take away anything. It adds more content, more types of ships, and more opportunities, more events suited to that many people on a crew. Again, I will repeat what I stated in my first post and why in my response.
"The nature of cursed cannonballs negates how many pirates you're up against." You can accomplish a lot with them.
"It's not the ship that defines player's communications or skill." A good pirate, often you know those streamers who've done what we think are doing the impossible, has won in 4v1 situations. Solo'd galleons and brigs with their sloop, or two-man brigs winning a combat. 8 players doesn't auto-win anything. It just means good chances.
First off, you shouldn't have a problem giving these 6-8 crew members something to do. Fire. Repairs. Buckets. Cannons. Mortar. Boarding. Helm. Repelling boarders. Sail controls. Shooting weapons. Etc.
Second, assuming the additional +1 is added to every crew size? Yeah, you can still imagine people playing other ships... And likely feeling a greater happiness because they are.
Third, this ship doesn't run... You run out of supplies? Well, it is all over. ;)
This means only good for the game, even if it means you can't have things as they once were. Find the way forward for change and improvement.
@amendelwyr said in 8 Person Frigate Confirmed?:
@daringclarky
More doesnt mean better though.
If you want to pvp, attacking a ship that wins on numbers nearly every time wouldnt work.You wouldnt win by boarding, you wouldnt win by combat due to their repair crew and to make it worse, you wouldnt get their loot and they sail undisputed....unless theres another ship of its type to challenge it.
That renders all other ships rubbish.
It means all people sail is 8 man ships.That takes content away instead of adding.
Adding a ship does not take away anything. It adds more content, more types of ships, and more opportunities, more events suited to that many people on a crew. Again, I will repeat what I stated in my first post and why in my response.
"The nature of cursed cannonballs negates how many pirates you're up against." You can accomplish a lot with them.
"It's not the ship that defines player's communications or skill." A good pirate, often you know those streamers who've done what we think are doing the impossible, has won in 4v1 situations. Solo'd galleons and brigs with their sloop, or two-man brigs winning a combat. 8 players doesn't auto-win anything. It just means good chances.First off, you shouldn't have a problem giving these 6-8 crew members something to do. Fire. Repairs. Buckets. Cannons. Mortar. Boarding. Helm. Repelling boarders. Sail controls. Shooting weapons. Etc.
Second, assuming the additional +1 is added to every crew size? Yeah, you can still imagine people playing other ships... And likely feeling a greater happiness because they are.
Third, this ship doesn't run... You run out of supplies? Well, it is all over. ;)
This means only good for the game, even if it means you can't have things as they once were. Find the way forward for change and improvement.
You are missing the point.
Let them release the 8 person ships and watch the repercussions.
You'll have the entire server comprised of these 8 person ships.
(Good luck doing what you want when you have 7 people with their own agendas)
Half will be full and sailing around the othet half will be on fire at the outpost from trolls fire bonbing it and mute noobs.
Wave goodbye to solo play.
Fighting an 8 person ship on a duo sloop would be a lot of effort so its easier to run away than waste precious resources and if every server is spamming 8 person ships its all you will sail as a result.
Thats the reality of the situation.
A boring enforced meta all because you think more really means more.
The ship is great but not for adventure. Arena it would be best.
A skelly version as this ship as a boss is best.
You might think this 8 person ship isnt overpowering. Truth is, it simply is and to say it isnt just goes to show how much you know about pvp.
You got to think about all crew sizes. Solo is hard mode and i dont think making sloops a 3 person ship is a good idea either. That spare pirate cant contribute anything other than dedicated repairnand boarder which again just makes pvp a matter of safety in numbers.
Youll kill fun keg plays with a repair crew.
Forget applying pressure and distraction when you have all those extra hands when you can have dedicated ladder guarders.
Yeah, it would be a trainwreck addition to adventure and anybody who says otherwise isnt seeing the big picture and focusing on their own playstyle instead of looking at all playstyles co existing... Which is the entire point of PVEVP
@ daringclarky
I've read your point from your own side of things and I haven't missed anything nor am I avoiding any of your concerns regarding my perspective or my playstyle or my desires. If you truly think that solo-slooping will die because a larger ship comes into play, you're solely focusing on the pirate engagement and not the player-world engagement which includes pirates.
To be fair, I'm considering only adventure as the potential group here because Arena is going to suffer a horrible, painful, and utterly excruciating death for reasons I don't need to review. Rare has said they're going to leave it alone because the focus is on adventure from us, the players.
But, considering that you're not giving my idea nor the OP's idea any fair constructive criticism other than "You'll kill fun" or personal attacks on what you believe I understand about PvP encounters; I'm not going to directly ask for your opinion any longer.
So simply,
Why should the small solo sloop have more repute, more stress than the large vessel in the distance, hmm? These vessels you know, small in size they are not. The white sails' lies, too long they have made. The time of the solo sloop hopper is over. The reign of the larger ship has begun.
@amendelwyr said in 8 Person Frigate Confirmed?:
@ daringclarky
I've read your point from your own side of things and I haven't missed anything nor am I avoiding any of your concerns regarding my perspective or my playstyle or my desires. If you truly think that solo-slooping will die because a larger ship comes into play, you're solely focusing on the pirate engagement and not the player-world engagement which includes pirates.To be fair, I'm considering only adventure as the potential group here because Arena is going to suffer a horrible, painful, and utterly excruciating death for reasons I don't need to review. Rare has said they're going to leave it alone because the focus is on adventure from us, the players.
But, considering that you're not giving my idea nor the OP's idea any fair constructive criticism other than "You'll kill fun" or personal attacks on what you believe I understand about PvP encounters; I'm not going to directly ask for your opinion any longer.
So simply,
- A new ship with maybe ~6-8 crew members to operate effectively.
- For adventure, with an overall increase in max crew sizes for every other ship.
- And as a boss to fight against, because of course that makes sense and would be fun too. Suggestion: Various World Events have a chance to grow increasingly more dangerous, mobile, and powerful according to the lore behind them. (See my point about Skeleton Forts.)
This bit just for fun, because all playstyles co-exist as they do they now with one big caveat.
Why should the small solo sloop have more repute, more stress than the large vessel in the distance, hmm? These vessels you know, small in size they are not. The white sails' lies, too long they have made. The time of the solo sloop hopper is over. The reign of the larger ship has begun.
I have given it fair consideration.
What ive said is what i truly think will happen.
You even said the time of the solo slooper hopper is over.
Well im sorry but solo play is a valid playstyle as any.
They have bigger ships for bigfer crews and ways to get multiple shipa for your friends AND make solo play viable.
So it is YOU who isnt giving it fair consideration as you are only focused on your own playstyle.
You can make post with all the fancy font you wish it doesnt change the context. Thats what i truly think would happen.
To say im not being constructive by sharing an honest concern is not very constructive of YOU, not me.
So before you throw stones id advise to do so fron not within your glass house.
Anyways ive had enough of this discussion and find your overall tone condescending.
This post isnt about having 8 person ships its to discuss whether it was confirmed or not.
If you wish to continue this discussion i advise you to make a thread suggesting just that.
Its all just off topic from this point and i no longer wish to discuss it further.
Safe seas.
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