With recent rumors I am hearing word spawn camping a boat may be illegal or bannable. I have spoke with support and was asked to come here with questions on it. Is spawn camping now dis-allowed? I can list a few reasons why it's viable but that being besides the point. I don't see what is considered spawn camping and what is considered a method to gain resources or to sink a ship.
What information do ya'll have on this?
Shouldn't be illegal or disallowed ever.
Stealing supplies is a viable strategy, locking a ship down while your crew gains cannon and fire superiority is another viable strategy.
Only suggestion I have is if you are killed twice in quick succession maybe a pop up should appear on the ferry to scuttle, this would help new players from being stuck in the endless loop of being spawn camped.
Stealing supplies is a joke.
If you need to spawnkill more than 2 times to sink someone you are a bad Pirate.
Supplies and sinking is only a justification for a bad behaviour and beeing a ... online.
Sure you maybe need to kill someone 1 or two times to make them sink, but most spawnkill situations are just toxic behaviour.
People lack beeing playfull and empathic during pvp.
That's because many gamers lack social competencies and just are horrible persons overall i guess.
All supplies a ship has should float up in Barrels after it is Sunk!
This is a Much better all around solution.
I see no negative to this at all.
Even if I’m the one sunk I would prefer this! Least I know I have a chance to recover them or seek revenge to get them back after I sink who sunk me!
Cannonballs and Planks! That’s the real loot in this game!
If I am circling your ship and maintaining a constant barrage of accurate cannon fire so that you die before you can accomplish anything, does that count as spawn-camping?
No, it does not. But it works much the same way, with the added bonus that you sink.
The thing is that it's hard to prove spawn-camping - a pirate can take a single banana, and then justify what they're doing because it's no longer considered malicious at that point, because they could say that they were simply using the time to steal supplies.
There's a reason the scuttle option is available. It gives you an out. So while you technically lose, you can immediately start having fun again, by taking some of the power away from the malicious crew.
@stundorn said in Spawn Camping:
Stealing supplies is a joke.
If you need to spawnkill more than 2 times to sink someone you are a bad Pirate.Supplies and sinking is only a justification for a bad behaviour and beeing a ... online.
Sure you maybe need to kill someone 1 or two times to make them sink, but most spawnkill situations are just toxic behaviour.
People lack beeing playfull and empathic during pvp.
That's because many gamers lack social competencies and just are horrible persons overall i guess.
Sometimes we aren’t working with large holes and more than two times is necessary.
Spawn camping is simply part of how the game mechanics work in Sea of Thieves. It's perfectly acceptable. Yes, it can be frustrating. But you must realize, if you're getting spawn-camped and can't win, that battle is over. You already lost. Just scuttle and move on. Go get a new ship and seek your revenge, if you're so inclined. Or go back to whatever you were doing before you got ganked. If you're not in the middle of anything, jump to a new server and make a fresh start.
Any behavior can cross the line into harassment if it's repeatedly targeting a specific player (rather than character) or involves vulgar or abusive language. But spawn-camping, by itself, is not against the rules. It's just part of the game.
If you get spawn killed over and over again on your ship, you have lost control over your ship, and it should be scuttled. It is no longer your ship, you have lost it.
One solution would be a auto-scuttle, if you cant regain control over if after perhaps 5 deaths on your ship or similar. It would basically be the same thing as being sunk.
But the best way to "solve" the problem is to just scuttle as fast as you can to deny your enemies any chance to resupply themselves on your supplies.
The only gameplay that should be bannable is cheating
What happens between pirates in conflict is between them. We have the tools to take care of ourselves. We can remove ourselves from the situation and server at any time. We are not forced to stay in a situation that we don't want to stay in.
If people wanna take the time to gather up evidence to report someone for saying mean things whatever that's their business but when it comes to freedom of play there shouldn't be any dictating or micromanaging about how people pirate and there certainly shouldn't be any consequences for it outside of living and dying by their own decisions in the game
@mythicalfood said in Spawn Camping:
With recent rumors I am hearing word spawn camping a boat may be illegal or bannable. I have spoke with support and was asked to come here with questions on it. Is spawn camping now dis-allowed? I can list a few reasons why it's viable but that being besides the point. I don't see what is considered spawn camping and what is considered a method to gain resources or to sink a ship.
What information do ya'll have on this?
So this is one of those, "Intent" , type of bans which is horribly difficult to prove.
The act of spawn camping is not bannable. The players intent could lead to a potential ban, however, Rare has never made a firm stance on that and intent is incredibly hard to prove anyways which ultimately makes spawn camping unbannable.
If you spawn camping for supplies, loot, trying to keep them from repairing their ship. All acts are legitimate. Even if it takes you hours for their ship to sink because a tiny hole, still legitimate.
The problem with spawn camping is that spawn camping in this game is IMPOSSIBLE without the consent of the other player. The weak minded portion of the community will argue this fact and it just leads to show their immaturity in this fact.
If I don't want to be spawn camped, I scuttle. I've scuttled multiple times even in Arena when I realized that the situation is passed the point of return.
Players who refuse to scuttle do it because of pride, ego, or vanity. Childish reasons. It leaves a bad taste in their mouth that they are being FORCED to yield. So they refuse to do it. That is the ONLY REASON they don't do it because they don't like the way it makes them feel.
"I'm not going to scuttle because its what they want!!"
"I'm not going to scuttle because they should have to sink me!!"
Spawn camping isn't greifing nor should it be viewed as something evil because the utmost fact of this situation is that it is impossible to spawn camp someone in this game without their consent.
"I don't want to be spawn camped!!" - Then scuttle "NO" - Then you want to be spawn camped.
Continue on broski.
SIDE NOTE I've spawn camped ships because of their reaction to me attacking them. PvE'ers are so freaking vulgar on mic when they get attacked. Just expletive upon expletive. When they do that I spawn camp them because I don't like their attitude lol.
Spawn camping is the fault of bad re-spawn logic in the game. When you die and re-spawn you are standing still for a second before you can move, which is plenty of time for somebody on the ship to target character. re-spawn should have few seconds ghost mode (can't be killed but it can kill and be able to grab supplies) that would cut spawn camping significantly.
Spawn camping is perfectly acceptable. It is up to the loser to scuttle.
@stundorn why do I need to empathetic during pvp?
because its a game
because it's about a playfull, inclusive community, thats what they say at least.
beeing empathic doesnt mean you don't fight, kill and sink them, but if you realize its some kids crying or some completely new players veterans have to be somewhat empathic imho.
Means, i dont harass them, i dont neccessarily steal a foul skull just for beeing dominant and i never "teach others a lesson" in sense of look how awesome i am and how bad you are.
thats beeing empathic and because this game and community want to be friendly, playfull and inclusive we should not be overly agressive.
me and the crew are mostly successfull and win PvP, but we dont bully or harass new players, we dont stomp 4v1 if not neccessary, no loot or doing Tall Tales etc.
dread pirates, nice and caring players was what i used to say.
@stundorn but thats not what this game is about. Its about the risk of losing it all. If you have loot or supplies I want, chances are I will mercilessly hunt you down. If your doing a tall tail, im going to steal your item and decorate my boat with it (they should be sellable).
@mythicalfood said in Spawn Camping:
With recent rumors I am hearing word spawn camping a boat may be illegal or bannable. I have spoke with support and was asked to come here with questions on it. Is spawn camping now dis-allowed? I can list a few reasons why it's viable but that being besides the point. I don't see what is considered spawn camping and what is considered a method to gain resources or to sink a ship.
What information do ya'll have on this?
I wouldn't worry about that rumour. It wouldn't happen. No company is going to start banning players for playing the game.
No codes of conduct have been breached. It's simply pvp.
@stundorn said in Spawn Camping:
because its a game
because it's about a playfull, inclusive community, thats what they say at least.beeing empathic doesnt mean you don't fight, kill and sink them, but if you realize its some kids crying or some completely new players veterans have to be somewhat empathic imho.
Means, i dont harass them, i dont neccessarily steal a foul skull just for beeing dominant and i never "teach others a lesson" in sense of look how awesome i am and how bad you are.
thats beeing empathic and because this game and community want to be friendly, playfull and inclusive we should not be overly agressive.
me and the crew are mostly successfull and win PvP, but we dont bully or harass new players, we dont stomp 4v1 if not neccessary, no loot or doing Tall Tales etc.dread pirates, nice and caring players was what i used to say.
That's honourable it really is.
If that's how you like to play that's your right.
But if I want to murder every ship in the seas regardless of how unfair or fair it may be for my opponent then it's my right to do so and their right to deny me that in combat or by fleeing.
So long as nobody is being abusive there is no problem.
Play how you want, I'll play how I want. There is no right or wrong way to be in this game so long as you aren't abusive verbally to others.
There is no such thing as "bullying" in terms of the gameplay.
If a ship is being spawn camped and want it to end they can Scuttle.
If they don't, well that's their own fault.
They got the tools to defend themselves and a way out if they it doesn't go to plan. If they don't use them, that's their fault not mine.
It's the nature of the game and something we must all accept before we even set sail.
@stundorn said in Spawn Camping:
beeing empathic doesnt mean you don't fight, kill and sink them, but if you realize its some kids crying or some completely new players veterans have to be somewhat empathic imho.
Let me start by saying I've never set out to ruin anyone's day or make anybody unhappy. I'm empathetic towards my fellow players. We're all playing a game together for mutual enjoyment. That said, I think it's inevitable that at some point while playing Sea of Thieves you're likely to make a kid cry. It's almost a rite of passage. It's happened to me and my crew. While I'm sorry they're upset, it's not going to affect my gameplay. In Sea of Thieves we all must practice good sportsmanship in both winning and losing. The funny thing is, in each of those encounters they've attacked first. We simply finished the battle. Perhaps it served as a learning experience?
@xultanis-dragon said in Spawn Camping:
"I don't want to be spawn camped!!" - Then scuttle "NO" - Then you want to be spawn camped.
I was raiding an alliance server and they spawn camped us for about 30 minutes with 12 people on our ship trash talking us, ( I wont name discord server names out of respect and also out of keeping my alt unknown) But anyway we stayed there and didnt scuttle, we didnt want to be camped, but the only way we wanted to get out of that was by breaking the camp, and we did.
Tbh, I dont think its the worst thing in the world, if you are already pressing a move input while on the loading screen you can almost always dodge a 1 blunder.
I doubt they are banning people for it but hey, it wouldn't be the first time rare came up with a new rule about what you can and cant do in gameplay and banned people for it.
@turkaspy said in Spawn Camping:
@xultanis-dragon said in Spawn Camping:
"I don't want to be spawn camped!!" - Then scuttle "NO" - Then you want to be spawn camped.
I was raiding an alliance server and they spawn camped us for about 30 minutes with 12 people on our ship trash talking us, ( I wont name discord server names out of respect and also out of keeping my alt unknown) But anyway we stayed there and didnt scuttle, we didnt want to be camped, but the only way we wanted to get out of that was by breaking the camp, and we did.
Tbh, I dont think its the worst thing in the world, if you are already pressing a move input while on the loading screen you can almost always dodge a 1 blunder.
I doubt they are banning people for it but hey, it wouldn't be the first time rare came up with a new rule about what you can and cant do in gameplay and banned people for it.
You were actively trying to get out of it and eventually did. Afterwards you didn't run to the forums to throw up an angry post talking about how the players who spawn camped you need to be banned and how spawn camping was the devil incarnate.
In retrospect if you look at your situation differently. You did want to be spawn camped because if they didn't camp you they would have just sunk you.
Your goal was to win in that situation. If they sunk you, then you wouldn't have had the opportunity to get out of it and win. So in actuality you did want to be spawn camped for the sake of a chance to get out of it.
SIDE NOTE I think a lot of this talk about Rare banning could be because of the mass ban they did a while back. If I remember correctly they banned a ton of players, streamers and what not.
I would assume the reasons were probably related to certain actions taken in Arena and some language used during chat.
@xultanis-dragon ok yea I would say I had alot of fun going back and forth in game chat while I got absolutely obliterated by like 7 blunderbusses
@stundorn first of all your comment is pretty offensive so don’t talk about bad behavior. Second of all, you can always scuttle so I don’t see a problem in spawn camping. If you are in a position in which you die over and over again, just assume the players doing it to you can easily sink you. It’s not bad behavior, just a way people enjoy playing the game.
OK so my definition of spawn camping would be killing pirates over and over again, with no goal to steal treasure or to sink them. I had this happen to me multiple times when i was new, and didn't even know how to scuttle a ship.
What should not be spawn camping, is like said above, where u are killing with the ultimate goal of stealing treasure, supplies, or sinking the ship.
Without any of these goals, I believe it to be at least reportable behavior. Or, rare should just make the scuttle ship option easier to find for noobs
I think the best solution is to play by Flamehearts pirate code.....
Nobody you are better than can spawnkill you... In the PVP scene it is known as being 'camped'
Sometimes in adventure me and my crew will look for PVP for hours and hardly find anyone or just find people who run away... So when we do finally find some people to fight... Don't be surprised that we want to kill you over and over....
People have tried to camp my crew and always fail... We end the camp because we are good players....
People think when you spawn camp you are doing it to be toxic but in reality we are just bored....
Eventually Rare will just ban any good player because they will claim being good is classed as harassment...
Also the game is designed to be toxic.... Crews can spend hours and hours gathering loot and putting in hard work to get it all... All for a better team to come along and steal it all from them in seconds... Ask yourself, is stealing a toxic trait? Of course it is.... You know when you steal a lot of loot you are ruining someone's day but it is what the entire game is about...
@pvekilla420 yeah its not like i care i totally get it... im not complaining to anybody, im just like yeah i see how you would wanna report stuff like that. The seas are difficult for new players....
But, now that Im more experienced, ive done my share of "spawn camping" players, when my only sinking option was fire. but, i don't think you should spawn camp if u don't have a goal. Find a new exciting server! play a different game! new players don't join to entertain you
@tidalfurball290 me and my crew would never spawn camp new players... In fact I do find that toxic af... We will always help newer players and normally we give them all our loot...
@pvekilla420 a dit dans Spawn Camping :
You know when you steal a lot of loot you are ruining someone's day but it is what the entire game is about...
Well tbf you don't necessarily ruin that person day. It wouldn't ruin my session for instance. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose but either way you still can have fun in the process. ;)
@pvekilla420 said in Spawn Camping:
Also the game is designed to be toxic.... Crews can spend hours and hours gathering loot and putting in hard work to get it all... All for a better team to come along and steal it all from them in seconds... Ask yourself, is stealing a toxic trait? Of course it is.... You know when you steal a lot of loot you are ruining someone's day but it is what the entire game is about...
Thank you! This is what I've always thought but you put it so succinctly. Of course this game is meant to be toxic, otherwise Rare would have implemented literally any of the features other games have to mitigate toxicity.
Which makes it even funnier that they're trying to push this new battle pass and make newer players feel like they're actually accomplishing something, all while doing nothing to fix the underlying toxicity.
There are a lot of times when this feels like a game for all those players who have been banned from others for being abusive and/or harassing other players; and the graphics, birds, and whatnot are just there to lure the non-abusers into the game.
@glannigan I agree with your idea, but I don't think ALL supplies should float up, maybe a percentage of cannonballs and planks should float up, then special items like cursed cannonballs and high-end fruit should all float up
