@bugaboo-bill said in good sports!:

Please be good sports in winning and losing.
Maybe this need to be widened to be good sport while playing :-)

People who abuse glitches and exploit arent doing good sports to me.
So please stop abusing glitches and call this skill!
I dont list all the glitches people abuse to become invincible or literaly invisible, board you without the use of the ladder,
break animations and delays etc...

Imho this all is not good sports if you utilize everything possible to win at any cost.

We have tools not rules and this is all fine, but some tools are a little bit broken and get abused.

It's not fun!!!

A lost fight can still be still a good fight if you know why you lost and if it felt fair anyway.

The moment you feel cheated, no matter if by the game or other players is the moment you rage and maybe quit, because of a bad experience.

Think about all 3 encounters attack at once.
Think of sniper vulcanoes back in the old Roar.
Think of Sniper Skeletons never missing.
Think of the grapple of the Kraken blocking lower deck and you couldn't do anything.

Now think about PvP and dying out of nowhere, because people are invisible glitched into the environment.
Think about people become invincible for seconds because they know how to in special places.

Think about old DGE and animation breaks.

Rare should fix all this, but they cannot maybe.

So please be good sports in winning and losing and while playing, dont exploit!

Not everything possible utilized to win at any cost makes it a better game or more fun.
Vice versa it more or less leads to neverending PvE server demands (i dont want them), but they exist because people got owned and felt "cheated".
All the complains like fix your freaking game come from situations people felt cheated and had no chance to do anything.

We need to have as less as possible situations that make people feel this way.

Contribute to the community, play with the intended mechanics, dont work around them even if it works and gives you an advantage, it's not good sports!

People who do so are lucky they play in the internet, because they will allways find players to interact and play with, no matter if they exploit or cheat.

Your friends and family i'd guess would have quit playing with you long before if you would have aproached playing with them this way. No?

Take care for your fellow players, dont "cheat" it creates frustration on the other end.
Not neccessarily because of a loss.
But because of how they lost and felt cheated.

Have fun
Good winds to you.

yes they should fix every bug or exploit and they won't because pace or the try hard streamers need content and they want people to play the game as well

I hate to say this but u know people ain't gonna do what u want them to do right? Do u really think people will read this n say, "Oh yea let's make sea of thieves a better place!" The only way to stop people to use glitches is to beat them. Beat them so hard that not even cheesy glitches can save them.

@bugaboo-bill

Stop the preaching that people are playing the game wrong, if people want to try hard let them, if people enjoy seeing how they can use the mechanics to get the most out of it as possible that is up to them.

Not everything in games is crafted at the drawing table, not everything in the game was intended and yet some get fixed and others are made into features. They are discovered by people that push the envelope and think outside of the box because that is what they enjoy.

Seriously who are you to tell them that how they play isn't fun? They are having fun, be a good sport and play as you please and let other play as they please. This is an open world game and a shared world where the PvE and PvP meet, the casual and the try hards meet and everyone in between.

I don't use all the tricks in the game, as I don't enjoy them and I don't judge those that do. Some people don't enjoy how I play and call me names, because I don't play how they play... yet all I do is play how I enjoy and that can make their session unenjoyable or confusing.

If you don't like the way they play, feel free to avoid them, fight them or negotiate a truce. We are free to use the tools how we please and push those tools to the boundaries of what the game allows or in any way we see fit, it isn't cheating it just is them playing the way they enjoy.

@bugaboo-bill It is unnecessary at the moment for Rare to spend precious time fixing exploits like wallbanging or the new double gun since barely anybody knows about them or use said exploits. They should focus more on game breaking bugs that EVERYBODY has problems with, like hit reg for example.

@bugaboo-bill
I support your message. I think it is one thing to abuse bugs and exploits, but using these against other players to get an advantage is very unsportsmanlike.

I hope your message reaches those you are trying to reach.

@bugaboo-bill Totally agree with you. I'm surprised by how much backlash you're getting for asking people to be good sports! Seems like a pretty uncontroversial thing to call for, I guess it's a sign of the times.

@bugaboo-bill said in good sports!:

@CotU42

You are literaly justifying to exploit or cheat because it's their fun.
Ok. I got it. No need to further discuss.

The fact that you don't know what cheating actually is and are stating that animation canceling, wall banging, tucking... or those type of aspects are cheating cheapens the word. I don't justify cheating and do not condone it. Don't accuse me of things you are clueless on, cheating is the use of third party programs to adjust and change the behavior of software.

You keep telling people that try to win by using everything that they can are playing it wrong and not fun. Just because you want to be the casual and don't want to go to those extreme levels of mechanical use and actions. You judge how they play and tell others that they are filthy cheaters. Stop the hate speech, if people try hard just let them. If it causes you to lose... that is really your issue; I don't use everything in the game and still tend to come on top. I like to win, I have destroyed others and caused them to rage quit without doing anything other than play the game.

Now you start complaining that tucking is also an exploit and unfair... while Rare adds animations to it. Damn if your cubby pirate is to big for you, put him on a potion diet and change it! I am not the smallest character size in the game. Want to counter people tucking in your treasure, just put it on the quest table or shelves, play smart or is that also exploiting and cheating? Bet it is in your books.

I don't use animation canceling, just doesn't suit my style. I will wall bang though and I bet you have as well; ever shot a keg in the crows nest? Have you ever caused people to lose tons of treasure? Destroyed their 'progress'? You might have caused them to quit the game and leave! You filthy try-hard... seriously the judgement you have on others is sad. Sportsmanship is accepting that people might play the game differently, that they might beat you. Be a gamer and just let people be their own type of player. You don't like it just be better, beat them, it isn't like they are immortal or unbeatable by animation canceling or tucking.

This is an open world game, everyone can play how they want there is nothing wrong with being a try-hard. There is nothing wrong with being a casual. There is nothing wrong with being a PVE player and nothing wrong with being a PVP try-hard. This world is already full of enough hate towards others, this is a game to unite and share together in victory and defeat! Be a good sport, be a good player and play as you want. Leave the judgement of others at the door and stay civil.

Btw. if Rare doesn't like these things, they can fix them and adjust them. Some will complain and moan about it, but that happens regardless of the changes they make. It is on Rare to set the parameters of the combat and it is the players to use them.

@bugaboo-bill There is a difference between an exploit and a hack. An exploit is a bug in the game that people use to give them an advantage. A hack is when you just want to ruin someones day. People have reported me many times for hacking after I wallbang them but I never get into trouble. This just proves my point. Nobody knows about it. I PvP for multiple hours a day and I have only been wallbanged about 3 times EVER. This is why it is unnecessary for Rare to fix it at this time. Litteraly nobdoy knows about it.

@galactic-geek Let me use your own analogy. Nobody knows about wallbanging....
.....still the same....

@bugaboo-bill

You don't enjoy pushing yourself to use everything possible in the game to win.
You don't enjoy breaking your idea of immersion to play on a mechanical level.
You don't enjoy trying to master every little element and pushing the game to its limits.
You don't enjoy being a die-hard try-hard pvp player that goes for the most competitive edge to win in games.

You claim sportsmanship, yet place judgement on others based on how they enjoy to play. The manner in which they want to be a pirate, just because it doesn't match your view, your style and your way of playing.

You call these people cheaters while they don't cheat, they just use the mechanics to the boundaries of what is possible.
You call these people anti-fun, while they are just enjoying the game in a different way.
You call these people unsportsmanlike, while it is you that is being judgmental and throws shade on them, calling them cheaters and anti-fun (griefers).

Why can you not just be the pirate you want to be and let them be the pirate they want to be?
Why must you come here an preach hatred to those that are die-hard competitive PvP players and telling them they play the game wrong?

Be a good sport.
Be the pirate you want to be.
Let others be the pirate they want to be.
This is a shared open world game, where we are supposed to be open to everyone and that includes the die-hards, the try-hards, the casuals, the PvPers, the PvEers and everyone in between. Everyone plays differently and Sea of Thieves should be open for all.

Be the free roaming pirate you want to be, stop being so obsessed by others and claiming they are ruining the game. You are here ruining the game, claiming that they are not welcome, they have no place on the seas... if they spew foul language, they have no place here; but many don't many are actual great sports and though dominating in game, wanting to win... tend to be cool people. I know because I approach most of them after a loss if they don't spew foul speech and congratulate them on a good game well played. They clap me so hard that I can analyze my fight, learn and improve. Adjust my tactic, improve my mechanical play and choose what I want to incorporate in my own style.

This is not a discussion on the exploits they use, it is a discussion of being a gamer, a good person and a decent contributor to the community that should be open for all. Let people be the pirates they want to be, you might not like their style and their ways... just like they don't like those that scuttle at the first sight of danger. Yet both styles are accepted and both styles have their shortcomings. We are a shared mixed community, everyone should be welcome.

@masterpost TriHead isn't a dev, he's just a Mod.

@cotu42 Exploitation is really not the way to play a game.
:(

@cotu42 Also, wallbanging is an exploit, and it being abused, is cheating.

@dominusocto7 said in good sports!:

Also, wallbanging is an exploit, and it being abused, is cheating.

AFAIK it's intended feature, not a bug. And using it is actually pretty difficult.

@bugaboo-bill

Because it's a fun and intended feature it gets removed?

I say it was nit intended, but accepted, now that it is abused to much and influences PvP, especially in Arena i guess i lt gets removed.

I doubt it's going anywhere. Maybe it could use minor damage adjustment someday but I'd rather have it as is rather than magic bunker walls everywhere.

@bugaboo-bill

Yeah I have missed that post, thanks!

p.s. Still don't like that idea tho. Most shooters have wallbanging with minor damage anyway, magic walls feel like 90's.