A system to help curb greifing

@meat-vegetable whats the point?...

@meat-vegetable
How would the game know what is griefing and what is good old fashioned pirating?

@meat-vegetable

What you are describing is not griefing from a different crew, it is part of the game and PvP:

• Killing a pirate is not griefing
• Tucking on a ship is not griefing
• Coming with your ship and attacking you is not griefing
• Going on your ship and taking it for a spin, is not griefing

The thing is all those things are part of the PvP and pirating - not all PvP is about gaining loot, sometimes just the Player versus Player encounter is enough in itself. Their goal might not be to ruin your fun, it most likely is just to have fun themselves... just their type of fun isn't considering your side, but it isn't their responsibility to ensure you have a fun time; they are enemies not allies.

The issue with your policing system is that it is impossible to know the intent of the other side, there are people just out to reck people yet no action against another crew can indicate this. The fact is to stop a different crew from doing things to you there are some simple options available to you:

1. Kill them, sink them and remove them from the area. PvP is a two way street, it isn't just an offensive tool - it is also to make it that you can protect yourself against unwanted actions of others.
2. Scuttle the ship, remove yourself from the area and reset.

I have myself have joy-rided on other peoples ships; they might have considered it griefing or unpleasant. Yet my goals were never to ruin their fun, I was either trying to sell their loot at an outpost, use their ship in a battle versus a different crew (one of the most fun things to do and the best way to get rid of chasers!). Not that they have any idea what my motivations are, to them I am just ruining their fun and my goal is to have my own fun not ruin theirs. The worst situation that I had was that a fairly new crew member used the horn to shout to the sloop that we weren't going to do anything... we passed by while being chased - a sloop that just kept coming back over and over again... - I told him on discord, that isn't really true, while the rest of the crew bursted out in laughter the moment he shouted that in-game (I was already on my way to high-jack their ship to head into battle with it and they knew me all to well).

Btw. the rest of the crew of that guy didn't get dragged into it, they choose to come and provide back-up - guess they just were a bit salty from you dropping that chest and burning their ship? The fact is that the galleon didn't need to show up, they could have moved on and just let the guy get a mermaid back or a trip on the ferry once they were done. In the situations where I am out and about, I make the call and even tell my crew to keep going on our own voyage or to get over here now in cases where a big play can be made!

@meat-vegetable

Luckily those types are generally quite scarce.

Saw 2 player ships last night, first one was friendly, second wanted to fight.

@bugaboo-bill did you read what the OP did first?

@Meat-Vegetable

1. As a solo initiated in the PvP after they stole a chest from him and by the sounds of it were moving on with their day, by chasing them.
2. Caught up to them and tossed off a chest off their ship.
3. Put their ship on fire.
4. Caught them out while they were fighting a PvE encounter and sunk them while sacrificing his own ship.
5. Met them again on the outpost.
6. Complains that they then messed with him!

Don't act like they are the ones that were just out to kill and sink him, he messed with a bigger crew and is surprised they turn around to make his life miserable. You have no idea if those guys are just out to ruin other peoples fun or not. I read that and see: They stole something and moved on; proper pvp and pirating in my books. Yet then he returned to keep messing with them, for revenge not even trying to recover the loot they stole (tossed it into the seas) - could be considered acting in bad faith as well.

Don't poke the bear if you don't want to anger the bear! Don't come afterwards telling other that the bear is picking on you and how big of a meany his is, after you poked it!

The fact is being a solo doesn't mean you cannot be annoying and a thorn in their side or that the bigger crew is the big bad guy. The fact that they lost their ship, means they lost the supplies that they gathered and maybe they are salty and hold a grudge against the solo pirate that caused it to happen? That doesn't make people jerks, they were provoked and acted. They were enemies and already encountered each other, why would they play nice? The OP was also being a jerk, returning to mess with people is also being annoying.

@meat-vegetable salty people are salty, you poked and they responded. Not everyone can handle a loss, especially if they are a galleon losing their ship to a single pirate... tends to be extra painful if they have some ego.

It most likely was a personal vendetta against you, you poked them after all and yet you are here complaining that they are the 'griefers'. You have no idea how they normally interact with people or how they sail around... yet you are here making grand claims of how much of a bunch of jerks they are and that a system should be in place to punish them.

What about you? You lost a chest and went back, to keep harassing them, throw treasure over board and even sink them. If you didn't manage to sink them, lost your ship and died... maybe you would have returned again and again, met those types as well. Just because they are 4 and you are 1 doesn't make it automatically; they bad guy me the poor sod that is being griefed! Don't poke the bear if you cannot handle its claws.

@meat-vegetable

You aren't wrong but at the same time I did go an try to de-escalate the situation, just one decided he didn't want to de-escalate at all.

"Well I did end up just logging off but overall it was just some guys stole a chest from me, so I chased them, tossed it off the side, burned their ship a bit, I was solo sloop and this was a full 4 man galleon."

@meat-vegetable You made someone very salty. Enjoy the salt of their rage tears and just find another server next time.

Some people can not handle being bested. You think that is bad? I have had people stalk me for months yes for months because I bested them in PvP.

I do not think that idea would work to be honest from what you have explained which was not really an in depth description on how the game would know the difference between greifing and people mad they got robbed. As you said yourself people who are mad they got robbed would use it so what is the point?