@mr-tickle5 there seems to be alot of demand for it give the people what they want let the user's choose how they wanna play I see no issue with it
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@combatxkitty said in STOP Asking For PvE/Private Servers:
@lord-szarvas Well you dont have to buy it or not. Fact is clearly clutter is an issue on forums which is why so many have dedicated threads to hot topic issues. Its not an unusual thing actually it is extremely common. Also like I said having this topic in one thread may actually be more beneficial.
As far as your data? What data? Are you doing scientific polls that we do not know about. As a regular on this forum I would say I have noticed an uptake in the same type of threads; "Back To The Game After Taking Break, PvP Is Toxic, PvE Servers Please", "PvP Is Ruining The Game,Pve Servers Please", I Cant Just Have Fun With My Friends, PvE Servers Please", "Why Are People Mean? PvE Servers Please,", "Why cant I Buy a Server? PvE. Servers Please", "Sailing Around with Several Hours Worth of Loot Lost It All To A Galleon, PvE Servers Please" and then there are just the "PvE Servers Please". So I do not see the harm in simple consolidation that is all. I find your reason against it kind of odd actually.
I just think some think by spamming the same topic over and over again it will get their voices heard, whats the old saying the squeaky wheel gets the grease. Maybe that is why the thought of a mega thread really bothers some people but they just do not want to come out and say it.
But whatever, its not up to me or you. I will just keep shifting through the endless PvE Please threads to state my opinion and also to help people who maybe are new players and just need some pointers.
... these might be unique players that all came to the game with expectations, ignoring that they didnt want 100% pvp everytime leaving dock makes the game community smaller, to have PvP and faster arena matchmaking, and more satisfying pvp you need people, driving them away will not make the game better. Even WoW has PVE and RP servers
As it is there is a small # of ships per server so you really cant complain if a few people play PVE 100% of the time. Or do both but on a RP server where you cant turn off the in game voice chat.
Almost any suggestion should be heard, and this one would change nearly no players experience that didnt want it. I probably wouldnt notice it. Arena pulled tons of PVP away from the servers but it didnt even make much noticable impact on how my play went. Tho i worried before it dropped...@blappo-spawn Im not arguing on this thread whether or not there should be PvE servers, I am just saying I am for a mega thread. I do not think people should stop asking for them even though I am against it people have the right to ask.
Anyways another good part of having one mega thread is can easily read through peoples opinions for and against PvE servers instead of having all these debates spread out on all these threads.
@combatxkitty said in STOP Asking For PvE/Private Servers:
I just think some think by spamming the same topic over and over again it will get their voices heard, whats the old saying the squeaky wheel gets the grease. Maybe that is why the thought of a mega thread really bothers some people but they just do not want to come out and say it.
That's exactly it. People do it deliberately for this exact purpose. Notice how so many of those threads go with "I know this is a pirate game but-" "I know this is a PVP game but-" "I know this is a multiplayer game but-". They play deaf by sweeping away previous arguments (which they seem painfully aware of, despite often being on days old account) and just repeat the same argument.
@lord-szarvas said in STOP Asking For PvE/Private Servers:
If you just look at the thread Music posted, and look at the pages (49) near the end of it, you will find @BloodyBil encouraging Tak225 to go into the 'many PvE threads' to talk about PvE there following their own conversation off-topic on the mega thread. On the contrary, Bloody, you come here and talk about wanting to reduce spam and clutter. Even after Rare and the mods had to warn you guys to stop it. Common...
Yup, I encouraged him to stay on topic and to redirect his PVE rhetoric to an existing thread discussing it. He even listened to me and showed up to recite his one and only line, right here!
Regarding number of threads, isnt this is down to forum etiquette i see on any forum, the dislike of necroing old posts or hijacking anyone elses so people are told to create new.
Anyways I thought private servers were coming for events etc.
I am curious about private and pve servers and how the name is perceived.
Isnt a fully alliance server=pve server? I dont think anyone complains about progressing in a full alliance.
Private servers could also be agreed adventure pvp. Play as normal but with more challenging battles where everyone is up for a fight.Either way a megathread is needed much like optout. Needs constructive pros-cons to get an understanding from both sides of the fence
@scoobywrx555 said in STOP Asking For PvE/Private Servers:
Regarding number of threads, isnt this is down to forum etiquette i see on any forum, the dislike of necroing old posts or hijacking anyone elses so people are told to create new.
It's also in the forum rules not to create duplicate threads when existing ones (multiple existing ones) are already discussing the very same thing, and the OP is a copy-paste with slightly different words.
Anyways I thought private servers were coming for events etc.
I am curious about private and pve servers and how the name is perceived.
It has been hinted that private servers would be available, but progression would be disabled to prevent exploiting and grinding without risks, which devs said were against. It would be for community events, making videos, goofing around and such. Those would be actually great, since people could chill around and play like they want, while having a reason to play in public to earn stuff. It's basic game design to balance risk and reward, and frankly the PVE in the game isn't a big risk.
Isnt a fully alliance server=pve server? I dont think anyone complains about progressing in a full alliance.
The tools are already there, if people want a "PVE server" they are free to parlay their way into creating one. At least there is some effort and diplomacy to put in.
Either way a megathread is needed much like optout. Needs constructive pros-cons to get an understanding from both sides of the fence
Absolutely. We can only hope to get some official news on the situation, I have a feeling that's the only green light remaining for the creation of a megathread. Mods are probably as eager as us for it 😉
Then why aren't you addressing the problem that I proposed to you?: The issue isn't really with the many threads or 1 thread, its the same people causing the same issues. Why is that going over your head?
At least the threads in dispute are caused by new players ranting about their ill experiences. On the other hand, you got the same people with this ego to prove on the forums bumping these threads. Its ridiculous...
Music was the one who linked the thread.
I've never been in thereand I don't care for opt in/out. I may have posted in there, I don't know. Its bloated to about 1700 posts/replies now. I mean, I don't really care anyways. But behold, the same names with the same issues. And he's gloating about promoting the clutter and spam that you're so against.No mention of it.. Figures..
@waronpants2664 said in STOP Asking For PvE/Private Servers:
My point is it should be. It would make the game better for everyone.
People complain about getting sunk by all the current PvE threats while solo, I doubt they'll make them harder. For some reason Rare doesn't like to balance things for their dedicated playerbase, and prefers to make sure that little timmy who only hops on 2-3 a month is able to a have a fun peaceful adventure without the horror of loosing virtual loot.
@lord-szarvas said in STOP Asking For PvE/Private Servers:
At least the threads in dispute are caused by new players ranting about their ill experiences. On the other hand, you got the same people with this ego to prove on the forums bumping these threads. Its ridiculous...
I really don't think it's an ego thing. Lets say someone creates a thread asking for PvE servers. If the anti-PvE Servers crowd doesn't respond that thread will get the few upvotes from the other 1 day wonders and then it'll become an echo chamber. The same few people who've only been playing for about a week will all be saying 'yeah see how many of us there are! Why aren't they listening!' when in reality it's just a vocal minority.
Remember when Bloodybill (I think) posted that picture of him replying to a PvE server thread and it had around 50 upvotes. I'm 100% certain that that's more upvotes than the OG post. So when the creator of that thread goes back and checks on it they'll see that their idea is not a popular one. They'll understand that the community is against PvE servers, or at least the ones that want it are a minority.
@mferr11 Mostly because the "hard" parts of the PvE threats and unfun and mostly "do this or you die." For SoT when most people say "hard" what they are really saying is "unfair". Getting aimbot volcano blasted and your ship sunk while you re-spawn is not "hard". Getting sunk because you were solo sailing a brig and got krakened is not "hard" etc. Alot of the threats in SoT boil down to having the meta knowledge or not. If you don't know that rowboats make you immune to volcano targeting or that you have to shoot the specific tentacle when you get wrapped you can get destroyed. If you know all those random and hacky sounding tidbits, then the PvE is trivial. What SoT needs is well designed challenge. Not more aimbots, and random unavoidable deaths/sinks.
@lord-szarvas said in STOP Asking For PvE/Private Servers:
Then why aren't you addressing the problem that I proposed to you?: The issue isn't really with the many threads or 1 thread, its the same people causing the same issues. Why is that going over your head?
Not going over my head, I just do not think its as big as an issue as you are making it to be and is not a valid reason to be so against a mega thread, sorry if that upsets you.
At least the threads in dispute are caused by new players ranting about their ill experiences.
Well thank you for admitting that these threads that keep popping up are from new players ranting about an ill experience. Expierences such as " I spent an hour stocking my ship with woodplanks and coconuts and I got sunk" or my favorite " did a skull fort and a galleon attacked me"This is exactly one reason why a mega thread is needed. How many more topics created by angry ranters do we need?
On the other hand, you got the same people with this ego to prove on the forums bumping these threads. Its ridiculous...>
You seem to have a issue with anyone who speaks out about wanting the game to stay PvPve. They have the right to respond if they want, so no actually it is not ridiculous
.Music who linked the thread.
I've never been in thereand I don't care for opt in/out. I may have posted in there, I don't know. Its bloated to about 1700 posts/replies now. I mean, I don't really care anyways. But behold, the same names with the same issues. And he's gloating about promoting the clutter and spam that you're so against.Bloated? Mega threads have lots of replies, that is the point of a mega thread.
No mention of it.. Figures..>
I didnt see it as gloating I think he was just joking around.
So just so I understand your position you are just fine with the feedback and suggestions board becoming bloated with PvE request threads from what you admit are majority wise new players who are ranting because they had a bad day but you are not ok with a mega thread becoming bloated? Yeah that makes sense.
No. I mean the issue is people are going to rant whether they have a mega thread or not. Makes sense. And I avoid some mega threads like the opt/out (because its a controversial issue) and of course as predicted it has a lot of talk outside of the topic.
And your issue is about clutter and spam. I just presented you with the problem but you again are dismissive of it. I mean, I don't really know what the point of all this is then if that is your position.
@lord-szarvas said in STOP Asking For PvE/Private Servers:
No. I mean the issue is people are going to rant whether they have a mega thread or not. Makes sense. And I avoid some mega threads like the opt/out (because its a controversial issue) and of course as predicted it has a lot of talk outside of the topic.
And your issue is about clutter and spam. I just presented you with the problem but you again are dismissive of it. I mean, I don't really know what the point of all this is then if that is your position.
What is the problem? That people speak up against it so the threads get bumped? Just want to clarify. Some things get lost in translation.
Its this:
Combat: I think we should have a Megathread.
Lord S: Why?
Combat: Because of clutter and spam.
Lord S: Look at this Megathread - Lots of clutter and spam.
Combat: Oh that's not a big deal..Okay bud. And with that. I rest my case.
@lord-szarvas said in STOP Asking For PvE/Private Servers:
Its this:
Combat: I think we should have a Megathread.
Lord S: Why?
Combat: Because of clutter and spam.
Lord S: Look at this Megathread - Lots of clutter and spam.
Combat: Oh that's not a big deal..Okay bud. And with that. I rest my case.
Ah ok dont rest your case yet counselor. My issue is with clutter on Feedback and Suggestion board not on a mega thread that is designated to discuss the topic. Why would I have issues with posts regarding PvE servers on a thread designated for it. If people post off topic on the mega thread that is for the forum mods to handle. Just like they do on the posts on board. So sure a mega thread can get off topic im not saying otherwise but it may actually be easier to deal with monitoring one thread instead of bunch of new ones popping up. several times a day.
Surely you understand that right?
Dare I say you just like to try to prove people wrong?
@jctc758 said in STOP Asking For PvE/Private Servers:
I am sick of this. The devs will never add PvE or PvP servers. This is a pirate game with full PvP at any point. If you do not want PvP go and play another game. It is simple.
Because what you're against is feedback. Threads can be someones own personal domain to share their experience and stories on their experience with the game (new or old). That is why Rare made the 'create Thread' tab.
Moderators do their job well when they close the threads that get out of hand. Its simple.
A mega-thread on the basis of what you're proposing don't change the conversations.
Maybe a mega-thread can help foster some discussion but no differently than some of the productive PvE threads made in the past. But as I browsed the link to the Opt in/out megathread, I was disappointed to find the same problems being described and hailed by you in the PvPvE (Pro-PVP or Anti-PvE - whatever you want to label yourselves) in these necrothreads being popped up to 'stop asking for PvE servers!'
And keep trying to dig and find answers to make the forum better. If the moderators or Rare needs it, they will add it. They don't need you or I to tell them how to run a forum. They are adults and they are part of a business. Thanks for playing.
@lord-szarvas said in STOP Asking For PvE/Private Servers:
Because what you're against is feedback. Threads can be someones own personal domain to share their experience and stories on their experience with the game (new or old). That is why Rare made the 'create Thread' tab.
Why am I against feed back? See I knew it, that is the real reason why you are against a mega thread you think the squeaky wheel gets the grease. Also the feedback and suggestion thread isnt for pirates to share thier stories, its for feedback and suggestion. You want story time go to Tales From The Tavern. Im sorry but complaining about other players attacking you during a skull fort is not proper feedback or a suggestion. what it is? Something that is supposed to. happen. Clearly a major suggestion is PvE servers so why not make it a hot topic thread? I would check in on it. I would not abandoned the topic. I would still give my opinion and offer advice to people who I think are genuine and need it.
Moderators do their job well when they close the threads that get out of hand. Its simple.
Yes they do.
Maybe a mega-thread can help foster some discussion but no differently than some of the productive PvE threads made in the past. But as I browsed the link to the Opt in/out megathread, I was disappointed to find the same problems being described and hailed by you in the PvPvE (Pro-PVP or Anti-PvE - whatever you want to label yourselves) in these necrothreads being popped up to 'stop asking for PvE servers!'
Whatever you want to label yourselves? You clearly have a big issue with people who speak up about wanting the game to stay PvPve aka the game we bought but seem to champion the rights of those who want PvE servers to speak up and be heard. Seems rather hypocritical to me.
You can just call me a life long gamer.
Google it.
Feedback:
First line: information about reactions to a product, a person's performance of a task, etc. which is used as a basis for improvement.It seems to me you don't like people complaining. If you don't then don't be part of the problem and poke the bear. Maybe not you personally, but certainly others that have been spamming in those threads and the megathread.
If you have an issue with the type of feedback being made, you certainly can flag/report it for the moderators to take a look for you. That's what they signed up for. They are adults. Its not a big deal.
Look at it this way. Player comes to forum. Makes a thread. The Kraken (Volanco - pick and choose what people want to complain about, there is a lot of reoccurring complaints - not just wanting PvE Servers). is too hard.
Okay. That's their feedback. I disagree. I think its easy. You and others agree that its easy. But that doesn't make it not feedback or not hard for the player making the feedback. That's the point of this part of the forum. Sorry, it is.
@lord-szarvas said in STOP Asking For PvE/Private Servers:
Google it.
Feedback:
First line: information about reactions to a product, a person's performance of a task, etc. which is used as a basis for improvement.It seems to me you don't like people complaining. If you don't then don't be part of the problem and poke the bear. Maybe not you personally, but certainly others that have been spamming in those threads and the megathread.
Dont need a definition on feedback from you. You say I do not like complaining and yeah sometimes it can annoy me and if a post typicality does I wont bother with it. As far real feedback(not just whining that you lost a foul bounty skull because you sailed right into a galleon that was docked at the outpost you were going to because that was the closet) that I actually do not mind as long as it is constructive feedback.Also yes I do not spam in megathreads ,you did atleast get that correct. Im not sure why my wanting a mega thread. equates to you accusing me of not wanting feedback in the first place. A mega thread literally created for feedback.
If you have an issue with did type of feedback being made, you certainly can flag/report it for the moderators to take a look for you. That's what they signed up for. They are adults. Its not a big deal.
Look at it this way. Player comes to forum. Makes a thread. The Kraken (Volanco - pick and choose what people want to complain about, there is a lot of reoccurring complaints - not just wanting PvE Servers). is too hard.
Okay. That's their feedback. I disagree. I think its easy. You and others agree that its easy. But that doesn't make it not feedback or not hard for the player making the feedback. That's the point of this part of the forum. Sorry, it is.
Anyways as for the rest of your post, I got better things to do like paint my nails so see ya!
@combatxkitty there seems to be a inherent need by people not wanting to see the game change if anything a pve mode might make rare intraduce some real new and good content soemthk g that been lacking for a good while
@tak225 Introducing PvE servers will take away development time that could've been spent on making some real new and good content
I have played the game for two years now. I am a casual player not that interested in playing PvP. I/we do not hunt other ships (unless they shoot first).
Sometimes the server/seas contains a lot of hostile ships that shoots at anything that moves. so what. usually they get NOTHING from it.
The most fantastic thing the developers did, was not to reward player kills. So killing another crew and sinking their ship gives you nothing in reward… no gold, no commendations, no buff. You do not loose your maps/quests/voyages
Only if you have any loot aboard do you loose anything from such an encounter.
When you have 1.000.000+ gold, this loot is usually such a small price to pay.PvP players gets next to nothing from this type of gameplay. The game is set up so you get much more from doing quest/voyages than you get from sailing around sinking other ships.
So PvE servers ar not needed. BUT for new players who want to experience the game at a more peaceful way. The PvE server could for example work. so PvE servers to maximum payout of any chest to 200 gold, and tall tales to pay out only 1.000 gold for completion.@lpsgizmo but do you ask pubg to stop being pvp? That's how this game started and is it's core. It's PvP. All the TTs and commendations are just for things to do. So it wasn't just PvP and maps... sadly it's still just PvP and maps but hey... at least the maps come with fake lore right... right...
@lpsgizmo great to see an idea, its a concept that could work. Have an option in the adventure tab, pve or pvp. Reduced payout or full payout.
Otherwise those that want pve just have to work on full server alliances for full payout
@troubled-cells aye, would be fine without.
Wonder if private servers will go beyond events and tornaments to normal adventure. If so then theyll be named private servers instead of pve servers.
Sea of thieves not see of friends: Private adventure servers seemed to be how they started. Having all your colleagues/friends fighting each other on one open micced server, and they looked great fun, plenty of matey abuse.
Unfortunately some dont play nice even for a pirate game and go beyond the code. I think some just want that original concept.@blappo-spawn said in STOP Asking For PvE/Private Servers:
That is what happens when you cater to only 1 small portion of a playerbase. Weather you like idea or not is not why it is good or not. It being beneficial to the most members of the community is, and if the game shuts down due to many players being driven from the game cuz they are "not gud" then it doesnt bother those players they already left, because the game stopped delivering their desired experience.
TLDR you are just being selfish rather than making reasoned arguements.
You see, I would call creating a server that is exclusively PVE catering to the PVE crowd.
As it stands right now the game is designed so that all parties get what they need (note that I said need. Not want.) as SoT is designed so that PvP and PvE have a symbiotic relationship.
For those who want to PvE this game has a good amount of content but to be quite honest after just a few voyages you can pretty much avoid much of the sink holes and traps and defeat the PvE encounters on the high sea's.
That is why despite not wanting to engage in PvP , PvE players NEED PvP in the game. To not only break up the monotony of the repetitive motion that is PvE but to give them something to be careful about. Which is of course the threat of other pirates on the high sea's looking to acquire their treasure through aggressive negotiation.
For those who want to PvP there can be quite a good amount of fighting to be had BUT what makes PvP exciting for them is having something at stake. Be it the booty they know that Brig they are pursuing picked up at a skull fort OR because they themselves have acquired loot through running some athena's.
Without PvE elements in the game PvP would be hallow as there would be no stakes. So it would be just people blunderbussing each other for no reason.
Allow PvE players to opt out of sailing with those who desire PvP and PvP essentially dies due to catering to PvE players. Soon afterwards you will see the same thing happen to PvE players as they drift away from the game due to a lack of excitement and new content.
PvE only servers is a bad idea.
@mferr11 well it seems to be the number one thing being asked for with more and more users requesting this maybe rare should make this a priority it may not be what you want but alot of people want this it's not necessarily something I do want but I am pro choice and players should have this choice I know private servers are coming but most people I know who thought about renting one lost all interest in the idea once they found out it had no progression
@springotter a dit dans STOP Asking For PvE/Private Servers :
There have been 8 megathreads on this topic in the past. It's the most talked about and most requested feature in the history of SoT yet Rare still somehow is fixed on this twisted logic that it would ruin their precious core game design.
Ah yes, I forgot that you know better than Rare what the game and the core design of SOT is about.
@tak225 said in STOP Asking For PvE/Private Servers:
@mferr11 well it seems to be the number one thing being asked for with more and more users requesting this maybe rare should make this a priority it may not be what you want but alot of people want this it's not necessarily something I do want but I am pro choice and players should have this choice I know private servers are coming but most people I know who thought about renting one lost all interest in the idea once they found out it had no progression
Renting? Who said private servers were rent-able?
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