I am sick of this. The devs will never add PvE or PvP servers. This is a pirate game with full PvP at any point. If you do not want PvP go and play another game. It is simple.
STOP Asking For PvE/Private Servers
@jctc758 My dear ship mate haha, this will always be asked for. It's ok though. The devs haven't changed it in these years so it is unlikely.
I wouldn't say never ever though. They have made changes for the community and that is good, but I think at this point the vision is as you said.
People will always ask for changes though. I know it is annoying, just do your best to ignore it and look for feedback you feel matters more
@combatxkitty There is a cross-play one but not PvE/PvP/Solo Servers/Friendly Servers/Left Handed/Right Handed Servers.
@jctc758
You can't say for certain that they will never add such servers.
It could actually be very financially viable to one day rent out such servers for a price.
After all, the current emporium is pretty much pointless as it is.
Pets = Meh, novel for 10 mins
Emotes= Pointless
Skins= Not necessarySo perhaps players will stop wasting cash on any of the above after a while..
Income is good for the game.
And private servers could be a massive source one day.I'm ready for both these types of threads getting closed, stop the spam. This type of post is also a waste to begin with. Its not the regulars who visit the forum that create these threads, its the new accounts. The only way you stop the spamming of these types of post is if Moderators lock threads and direct them to a mega-thread or a one thread of similar topic. Compile the posts, not spread them out. All your doing is urinating in the wind at this point.
@musicmee ok, I thought that was real. Anyways maybe the mods on this forum should seriously consider a mega thread for these non pvp server requests. Really it would benefit people requesting this since all their arguments would be in one thread.
There have been 8 megathreads on this topic in the past. It's the most talked about and most requested feature in the history of SoT yet Rare still somehow is fixed on this twisted logic that it would ruin their precious core game design. Creating another megathreads is just acknowledgedimg that fact so Rare won't do it. They'll add PvP features no one is asking for but when it comes to giving playe choice Rare is religiously against it I guess.
@springotter said in STOP Asking For PvE/Private Servers:
There have been 8 megathreads on this topic in the past. It's the most talked about and most requested feature in the history of SoT yet Rare still somehow is fixed on this twisted logic that it would ruin their precious core game design. Creating another megathreads is just acknowledgedimg that fact so Rare won't do it.
Would you mind linking those 8 megathreads? Genuinely curious.
They'll add PvP features no one is asking for but when it comes to giving playe choice Rare is religiously against it I guess.
Ah so we are ignoring all the bounty systems and PVP incentives requests for the sake of this narrative, right? And the fact that Rare gives you the choice to partake or not in the events that gives higher rewards for higher risks, that would be crazy.
@combatxkitty said in STOP Asking For PvE/Private Servers:
@musicmee ok, I thought that was real. Anyways maybe the mods on this forum should seriously consider a mega thread for these non pvp server requests. Really it would benefit people requesting this since all their arguments would be in one thread.
Yup. At this point all opinions could be condensed over there. It feels like "Player 2 has entered the game" in this thread-making competition.
I think the "Stop asking for X" approach isn't the best. Maybe instead let's voice appreciation for the balanced PVEVP environment and show support for Rare's direction and dedication to their vision? Since it's all about giving feedback on what we want in the game and all.
They'll continue to ask for PvE servers regardless.
I wish people would just embrace the PvP side of the game, even if all they did was run away from other pursuing ships.
The PvP element is why PvE is any fun at all, this is a PvPvE game, why can't people understand that being a pirate isn't supposed to be 100% safe? XD
Because private/pve servers would be unfair and counter to the design of the game. This is suppose to be a player interaction based game where the decisions you make and the decisions others make effect each other.
I'll tell you what. If you want a pve server you can have it. Provided you get zero rewards and reputation gains for turning in your hauls. Why? Because you did not risk anything. You went to point A, Grabbed item, then brought it to point B. Nothing difficult. Nothing challenging. You don't deserve rewards for no risks.
A mega-thread does not solve the issue that all these other threads have. The issue is when the topic goes off course and it becomes personal battles that don't foster discussion about the topic at hand.
If you look at this thread, its the same people going back at forth.
Mega-threads get long and convoluted all the time. The cross-play one is up to 50 pages now of posts and if you look at the end, its the same people here arguing in there, off-topic.
@lord-szarvas said in STOP Asking For PvE/Private Servers:
A mega-thread does not solve the issue that all these other threads have. The issue is when the topic goes off course and it becomes personal battles that don't foster discussion about the topic at hand.
Hence why it's easier to moderate a single thread and the offenders within it.
If you look at this thread, its the same people going back at forth.
As in any other threads of the same topic, on both sides of the argument.
Mega-threads get long and convoluted all the time. The cross-play one is up to 50 pages now of posts and if you look at the end, its the same people here arguing in there, off-topic.
So what? At least the whole conversation and people's arguments are at a single place instead of being spread everywhere. Better have 50 pages than 50 threads repeating the same thing, and having the same arguments within it with the same people.
When a topic is that recurrent, a megathread is the way to go. Don't be afraid, the topic clearly isn't disappearing from Rare's radar, which obviously seems to be your worry.
That's the whole reason for this pushback against a megathread isn't it? You guys think that unless there are innumerable threads highlighting the PVE sitation, you think the devs will totally forget about it and think there is no desire for it anymore? I am pretty sure they are very well aware of your group's issue with the game, and they are probably scratching their heads on ways to keep everything as balanced as possible for everyone, while keeping their vision of the game.
You can speculate and create these narratives all you want. I'm not going to get dragged into it anymore. Put it to rest, will you?
I see threads that ought to get locked do get locked.
So thank you @Musicmee and @triheadedmonkey for doing your jobs well.
I see the system working just fine.
I do see more threads than I'd like to see (because I want everyone to be able to enjoy the game that I love and obviously we can't please everyone) But that's not me in admission to these grand scheme of having a mega thread. Like I said before, the threads being complained about per the OP here go as quickly as they come. They last a lot longer if you want to argue with them (unfortunately these threads have people suggest things that I don't agree with and go against the spirit of open discussion - which we've debated in multiple threads now on it).
@waronpants2664 said in STOP Asking For PvE/Private Servers:
@troubled-cells The game should be able to provide it's own inherent risk regardless of PvE servers. To some extent it does, but it's a long way from where it should be.
The AI in SOT is awful.
AI enemies in this game are a joke.
Its not even a risk in my opinion .
@troubled-cells said in STOP Asking For PvE/Private Servers:
@waronpants2664 said in STOP Asking For PvE/Private Servers:
@troubled-cells The game should be able to provide it's own inherent risk regardless of PvE servers. To some extent it does, but it's a long way from where it should be.
The AI in SOT is awful.
120% agree. Rare should really be ashamed of how bad the Ai is.
AI enemies in this game are a joke.
Most are. As someone who sails solo brig, the kracken is essentially a death sentence for me. Skeleton ships aren't "hard", but God are they annoying.
Its not even a risk in my opinion .
My point is it should be. It would make the game better for everyone.
@lord-szarvas said in STOP Asking For PvE/Private Servers:
A mega-thread does not solve the issue that all these other threads have. The issue is when the topic goes off course and it becomes personal battles that don't foster discussion about the topic at hand.
If you look at this thread, its the same people going back at forth.
Mega-threads get long and convoluted all the time. The cross-play one is up to 50 pages now of posts and if you look at the end, its the same people here arguing in there, off-topic.
My thought on a mega thread is almost like a petition though. Having one clear thread on here with all peoples arguments would be easier for Rare to look through. What is happening now is a bunch of threads are popping up and they get long and off topic and eventually locked or just further pushed back. As far as mega thread going a stray a mod can always keep an eye on it which would be easier than keeping an eye on multiple new ones popping up.
Im all for peoples opinions being heard but in a productive manner. No question as you know I am all for PvPve even though I do not PvP but Im not one to say people should be banned from saying they want Pve only.
Not sure why you called having a mega thread a "grand scheme" it just seems like a simple solution to keep the same topic from cluttering up the feedback section over and over.
@waronpants2664 just being realistic.
Its highly unlikely that they will rehaul and make any significant advances in this area.
The amount of recycled content in this game is a very telling sign of that in my opinion.
@jctc758 While I don't thing they will designated severs to accommodate the request I do think adding a "non combatant" flag could be a feasible solution. By creating that flag it can allow those who wish to sail without the threat of being targeted by other players. There has been a lot of crews going around and attacking other players for sport and to simply be a nuisance. I think this option would be a fair accommodation as long is there are rules to keep it from being abused.
@vile-veden To be fair, if you spend all your time running from the players that are just killing other players to be dicks you're gonna get tired of the game and then Sea Of Thieves will lose players. I love this game and tolerate the dicks but there needs to be some manner of protection for the players. In my opinion, it's those dicks that hunt players that are killing the game.
Like I said, the moderators are doing their job mega-thread or not.
And some of those mega-threads are prone to being convoluted. Perfect example, go to what Music linked and go to the most recent pages. Its off topic and its the same people here arguing in there...
@lord-szarvas said in STOP Asking For PvE/Private Servers:
Like I said, the moderators are doing their job mega-thread or not.
And some of those mega-threads are prone to being convoluted. Perfect example, go to what Music linked and go to the most recent pages. Its off topic and its the same people here arguing in there...
Well same can be said with all these threads popping up and cluttering the forum so I am not sure how that is a legit reason not to make a mega thread.
A reason I can think of as to why some may not want a mega thread is because they think their voice is better heard by cluttering up the feed back section with the same Pve please posts.
I agree the mods do a good job. Ultiminally is up to mods. I just want to say I am not just coming up with this thought out of thin air. I am a long time member (since 2008) of a other forum and we have sticky topics just for this reason. Also I was leader of a gaming crew which had its own web site over 200 members(what an abosulte nightmare that was best advice never be the leader of a gaming crew) and we had a forum and had hot topics as sticky threads as well as long as a discord with certain hot topics having own channel for discussion just to reduce clutter.
Agree to disagree I suppose.
@lord-szarvas said in STOP Asking For PvE/Private Servers:
Like I said, the moderators are doing their job mega-thread or not.
And some of those mega-threads are prone to being convoluted. Perfect example, go to what Music linked and go to the most recent pages. Its off topic and its the same people here arguing in there...
As opposed to every pro or con PVE servers thread?
A megathread is still the best place to see a recap of the arguments on both sides, instead of claiming ignorance and using it as an excuse to restart a debate that has happened over and over again.
And if the last pages aren't as on topic as the first ones, it only shows that everything has been said on the topic and it has run it's course.
Just goes to show this whole thing is just a matter of visibility, and amount of threads.
You see I'm not buying the whole 'cluttering' up problem. I think that bothers only people bothered by it. Its not a representation of an actual problem in the forums with the majority of the community. I don't see the data on that.
If you just look at the thread Music posted, and look at the pages (49) near the end of it, you will find @BloodyBil encouraging Tak225 to go into the 'many PvE threads' to talk about PvE there following their own conversation off-topic on the mega thread. On the contrary, Bloody, you come here and talk about wanting to reduce spam and clutter. Even after Rare and the mods had to warn you guys to stop it. Common...
So, to me, I see the same people with the same problems going into threads and spamming the same things. And if these people keep doing this on the forums, you're not going to find a productive conversation in many threads or one mega-thread.
People usually cry out for PVE servers on fresh day 1 or 2 forum accounts with clearly a short time of game experience. They cry about being stolen from constantly and harassed at the outpost every time the log in. Simply impossible but they don't know that we know that. They say this is making everyone quit and try to create a sense of urgency and doom and gloom for the game.
They have a weekend of playtime in at best and really hate the feeling of losing all their "hard work". They don't yet get that that's a vital component of the game. This gets the same vocal minority chirping up about if so many want it blah blah, trying to create another false narrative similar to PVP being harassment.
It's a repetitive thing and painful to watch. Regular forum contributors get tired of trying to explain the same thing over and over and eventually just try to shrug it off when another thread from a 2 day old account is bleating about safe outposts. Still people try and explain against the vocal minority and yet OP usually never comes back to the thread again.
It really is a waste, every single time.
@jctc758 said in STOP Asking For PvE/Private Servers:
I am sick of this. The devs will never add PvE or PvP servers. This is a pirate game with full PvP at any point. If you do not want PvP go and play another game. It is simple.
Ill go ahead and skip ahead to where this mentality leads.
'2 years later'
"Ahoy everyone we are sad to announce next month we are sun setting the game and servers shut down because we didnt deliver an experience engaging enough to a large enough group of players to remain profitable.
Thanks for understanding this pains us too - dev team"That is what happens when you cater to only 1 small portion of a playerbase. Weather you like idea or not is not why it is good or not. It being beneficial to the most members of the community is, and if the game shuts down due to many players being driven from the game cuz they are "not gud" then it doesnt bother those players they already left, because the game stopped delivering their desired experience.
TLDR you are just being selfish rather than making reasoned arguements.
Have you ever seen a trend of server take over's where everyone makes an alliance just to PvP?
@lord-szarvas said in STOP Asking For PvE/Private Servers:
Have you ever seen a trend of server take over's where everyone makes an alliances just to PvP?
about 0 times ever
and if they want to... then they should be for PVE server... because then they only find that in PvP servers cuz they are inherently separate ... wow...
So you are arguing against 100% pvp servers... imagine what thats like... not wanting what you actually want... hmmm its like you didnt think about it
@needsmokes said in STOP Asking For PvE/Private Servers:
@jctc758
You can't say for certain that they will never add such servers.
It could actually be very financially viable to one day rent out such servers for a price.
After all, the current emporium is pretty much pointless as it is.
Pets = Meh, novel for 10 mins
Emotes= Pointless
Skins= Not necessarySo perhaps players will stop wasting cash on any of the above after a while..
Income is good for the game.
And private servers could be a massive source one day.If people wanna play in a private server but accept that this also means no progression than im happy with that.
A lot of the players who say they want a PVE only server actually want a Farming server. So they csn grind in peace. Basically a noobs paradise.
If they are serious about PVE then that should be no progression, no trophies, nothing from adventure mode at all.
Making it a paid server would actually work well good idea.
I hate the pve posts, I feel they wanna change the current game and casualify that and i like the cirrent game as is.
So if it ever was to happen then yes, totally seperate, no progression.
@lord-szarvas Well you dont have to buy it or not. Fact is clearly clutter is an issue on forums which is why so many have dedicated threads to hot topic issues. Its not an unusual thing actually it is extremely common. Also like I said having this topic in one thread may actually be more beneficial.
As far as your data? What data? Are you doing scientific polls that we do not know about. As a regular on this forum I would say I have noticed an uptake in the same type of threads; "Back To The Game After Taking Break, PvP Is Toxic, PvE Servers Please", "PvP Is Ruining The Game,Pve Servers Please", I Cant Just Have Fun With My Friends, PvE Servers Please", "Why Are People Mean? PvE Servers Please,", "Why cant I Buy a Server? PvE. Servers Please", "Sailing Around with Several Hours Worth of Loot Lost It All To A Galleon, PvE Servers Please" and then there are just the "PvE Servers Please". So I do not see the harm in simple consolidation that is all. I find your reason against it kind of odd actually.
I just think some think by spamming the same topic over and over again it will get their voices heard, whats the old saying the squeaky wheel gets the grease. Maybe that is why the thought of a mega thread really bothers some people but they just do not want to come out and say it.
But whatever, its not up to me or you. I will just keep shifting through the endless PvE Please threads to state my opinion and also to help people who maybe are new players and just need some pointers.
Edit: Just wanted to add other reason why a mega thread would be good and that is because all arguments for against PvE servers can be in one thread therefore easier to keep track of the argument instead of having multiple threads.
I really dont have some super secret ulterior motive here, Im just a fan of hot topic mega threads.
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