Make SoT great again!!!

  • I think we can all agree that Sea of Thieves is basically dead. It’s holding on to monthly updates that bring repetition and glitches.

    I am tired of the glitches. SoT has more glitches and server lag than any other game I have ever played and I play a lot of games.

    We need monthly update dedicated to fixing glitches. I’m tired of spawning the shores of gold after death. I’m tired of getting wall banged. I’m tired of chasing people sprinting of chests. I’m tired of 45 minutes wait times in arena. I’m tired of getting randomly black screened.

    Every update brings more glitches and every update you push them under the carpet and ignore it.

    I understand that making more ships on each server is hard but it should be a priority. All of up PvPers are tired of server hopping on seas servers. Ya it’s a lot of work but it needs to happen. Sure getting a new job is hard but it needs to happen if you want to love.

    I’m my opinion this game will be 100% dead in 6 months of things don’t change.

    I am prepared for hate but please keep in mind that this is just my opinion. I love Sea of Thieves and I just wish for a more enjoyable experience.

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  • @justincase2004

    Yes the game has bugs here or there, but it's still the best game I've ever played, and continue to play, and shall continue to play!

    Your statements are quite incorrect, the game is in better state than ever, and is receiving much needed contet on regular basis. Rare are practically doing a wonderful job with SoT.

  • @justincase2004 said in Make SoT great again!!!:

    I think we can all agree that Sea of Thieves is basically dead. It’s holding on to monthly updates that bring repetition and glitches.

    I think I can say most of the community would disagree there with this one, given the number of people still playing, the number of forum posts daily, Twitter feeds, streams and the collective individual communities that have kept going for 20 months. Not to mention the reception Rare always get at the events they attend.

    I am tired of the glitches. SoT has more glitches and server lag than any other game I have ever played and I play a lot of games.

    Every update brings more glitches and every update you push them under the carpet and ignore it.

    Which is why there is an Insider program aimed specifically at fixing such bugs, often behind the scenes if one isn't signed into the program to see what is being tested.

    I’m my opinion this game will be 100% dead in 6 months of things don’t change.

    In my opinion this has been spouted since about a year before launch, and every day for the 20 months SINCE launch!

  • @justincase2004

    i'm sorry lad , posts like this have appeared throughout the whole history of this Forum...Many who have foretold that SOT would be dead are now the ones who sail around deadly silent with a paper bag pulled over their head…. SOT is a Cult Game and those kind of Games simply never die...Sorry to dissapoint you , Sir....NOT!

  • @justincase2004

    The reason the seas are so dead sometimes is because of the server-hoppers, as the game's matchmaking is considering the spot that the server-hopper takes as filled, and not filling it for some time after their leaving. The rapid joining and leaving of sometimes 4 or 5 ships of the 6 slots in the server results in those slots being effectively taken by inactive ships. If they all just stayed in the same place, they'd find a lot more action.

  • @justincase2004

    We definatley can't agree on this, I dunno wth you are talking about but I don't have any of these issues.. im a pc player and it is flawless for me and works amazing. You have your own issues, its not the game..

  • I think we can all agree that Sea of Thieves is basically dead.

    No we can't and you have nothing to back up that claim with.

    Would argue it's the other way around, with more and more stuff added to the game the player base raises. Sure it might be less players playing between updates since they have done everything already but they are still active players.

    Why are you even posting here at this point? everytime i see you post here it's always negativity or complaining about none-issues. I do agree they need to fix bugs and such since some of them are extremely annoying and in some cases gamebreaking but making a thread saying the game will be dead in 6 months really doesn't help the devs, the community or anyone except the haters of Microsoft/Rare.

  • Companies aren't really dumb, you are an Insider, so you should be able to see the new content on its way. It would make zero sense that the company with all the analytics to keep investing resources into a game that is dying. I'm all for bug fixes, they can certainly fix some of the long standing ones. However, all these doomsayer posts have no ground to stand on besides some personal anecdotal experience that someone else has the complete opposite somewhere else. Their is good reason anecdotal evidence isn't used in Academia.

  • @justincase2004

    1. The game isn't going to die in 6 months.
    2. If this is the most bug ridden game you played I envy you. I have been playing games for 27 years now and the quality of this game is pretty good and nowhere near the broken point.
    3. The Meta could use a shake up and combat in general needs work, which I believe that they are working on.

    Personally I am not as active on the seas as I used to be, mainly because I don't like the state of CQC since the speed up of sword battle and the new additions haven't really been calling to me. I am playing other games more frequently. I still jump in here and there. Maybe it is time for a break, but it is not an indication that the game is dying.

  • As many have pointed out here, people have been coming to the forums for a long time claiming the game is dead. However, I rarely if ever feel like I am on an empty server. Occasionally, it does feel a bit lonely out there, but then I sail across the map and find that there are several ships there. They were simply on a different part of the map than I had been on.

    As for bugs, while the game does still have its issues, the bugs we have today I would hardly call game shattering. There was a time when the glitches were really bad. I am thinking when Skelly Fleets first showed up. Man did we have massive issues then. I am talking server crashing level events.

    Now having said all of that, Rare does need to step up their game some. They need to find the right balance for melee combat. Each time they try to rebalance it, they make it worse. They need to take a step back and re-examine melee combat and just fix it.

    They could do some things to even the playing field a bit more so that cross play is no longer a talked about subject, or at least something that is not nearly as big of a deal as some make it out to be today.

    And yes, they seem to keep allowing old bugs (more annoying than actually game breaking) to crop back into the current build. So they need to work on the quality control more than they have. They also need to figure out the problems and send out patch fixes far more frequently than they do.

    I am willing to bet many of the issues you are experiencing are more related to your set up than they are with Rare or Rare's servers.

    Last, the game is not dead or dying. Yes, some people have moved on from playing the game. But I see a lot of people still on these threads that were there when I first joined the forums. And they are still playing. I also see people that took hiatuses from the game returning. And most importantly, I see a ton of new blood coming in all the time.

  • @nabberwar said in Make SoT great again!!!:

    Companies aren't really dumb, you are an Insider, so you should be able to see the new content on its way. It would make zero sense that the company with all the analytics to keep investing resources into a game that is dying. I'm all for bug fixes, they can certainly fix some of the long standing ones. However, all these doomsayer posts have no ground to stand on besides some personal anecdotal experience that someone else has the complete opposite somewhere else. Their is good reason anecdotal evidence isn't used in Academia.

    I bet if he could get the hungering deep figurehead, the game would be saved.

  • if sot is dead ill see you on the ferry ;D

  • I feel like they keep "adding" but they never fix issues.. they take way too long and they need a better team / more people to work on this because its unexcusable to not fix something that has been there for a year

  • @justincase2004

    " SoT has more glitches and server lag than any other game I have ever played and I play a lot of games."

    there is literally no way, SOT really doesnt even have that many bugs. have you never played a bethesda game, or a wildcard game. they both have made very popular buggy games that i would think you might have played. i honestly dont get the bug complaints, i rarely run into bugs, rarely ever. this game is not that buggy at all.

    every update in every game ever brings new bugs and glitches, thats just how game development is.

    i play on the oceanic servers and lately the game has been fine, and if its fine on oceanic then you absolutely know the game is not dead. oceanic servers are the most low pop servers of every game, on games like pubg it was hard to find full lobbies in oceanic. so the fact that i can get full lobbies on SOT shows its doing fine

  • @justincase2004
    While i agree the bugs need fixing, the game is far from dead. @D4m0R3d beat me to this, cause i can tell u have never played a Bethesda game if u think this is even close to being one of the top buggy games

  • Um, wall banging isn't a bug. I don't think it is. It's been that way forever. If it is a bug, I guess they just haven't addressed it for 19 months. So you should probably assume it's staying.

  • Your prediction, much like your opinion, is wrong.

    Play ARK, then you may return here to share what bugs plaguing a game that is being updated rather than fixed is really like.

    Or don't.

  • @captn-reaver said in Make SoT great again!!!:

    Your prediction, much like your opinion, is wrong.

    Play ARK, then you may return here to share what bugs plaguing a game that is being updated rather than fixed is really like.

    Or don't.

    PREACH.
    I keep. Saying it. That game is the worst example PvE kids can use. "Oh ARK has PvE..."
    Yeah, and thanks to the way they don't take care of their game, their official servers are dead. Only boosted and non dedi servers have any real population
    "What's that? We haven't wiped official servers in literal years, meaning there are like four different Chinese groups that run every single server under multiple accounts, killing anyone just trying to play the game on PvP, and spamming lines of foundations across the map to prevent others building on PvE? And thanks to cross server transfer, you can hop over from your main server, buy a bunch of materials and dinos that shouldn't be on your main map, hop back, and be rebuilt from a raid in literally an hour?"
    "Fix our game? Nah, here's a season pass for the rest of our new DLC!
    Pleeeeaaasse buy Atlas! Pretty please?"

  • I do apologize for not reading the post. As soon as I saw "this game dead" I simply took it as another "this game is dead" post that we have seen incessantly posted since launch.
    I also left the SoT drinking game as taking a shot everytime someone says, game dead, pve, crossplay, or some other nerf because they aren't as good as they think they are, grossly bypassed my tolerance for alcohol and put me at risk of alcohol poinsoning.

  • Why complain about empty servers? That means no one to challenge you when you beat a fort, no one to attack you while you're taking on a skelly ship or meg, no one to spawn-camp, no one to 4-on-1 you while laughing at you as if they were displaying actual skill instead of just ganging up on you. An empty server is the PVE server many of us want.

  • Uh, no we can't all agree. I've had tons of fun this week with other crews.

    I'm getting tired of people thinking they are the voice of the people playing this game. You do not speak for me, good sir. And I seriously doubt you speak for the majority.

  • @justincase2004 said in Make SoT great again!!!:

    I think we can all agree that Sea of Thieves is basically dead.

    What an absurd comment. No, we don't "all agree". There's no evidence whatsoever that "Sea of Thieves is basically dead." None, zero, zilch. Quite the opposite. When you begin with such a grossly hyperbolic statement, it's impossible to take you seriously. It's fine to discuss glitches and so forth that you feel are problematic. Just do that without all the drama and you'll provoke a much more productive conversation.

  • @ButteryBarnacls @Captn-Reaver @Clumsy-George @CotU42 @D3ADST1CK @Genuine-Heather @Greengrimz @HeavyReaper102

    You want evidence of how the game is dead. It’s rating is 3 out of 5 starts. That’s a grade of D for all you kids in school.

    Arena has 45minute wait time AKA nobody played arena. Adventure is full of server hoppers like me who hop for an hour and find nobody doing FOTD.

    All that hard work on FOTD and nobody is doing it already. I can promise you that less than 30% of people have done it 50 times.

    The game has 8 million players but only 1% are legends. Out on the seas you find that 95% of players are legends or even more. That tells you that over 95% of the people that purchased the game either arnt active or played once on a free trial of game pass.

    Pace22, the face of Sea of Thieves can’t even afford to quit his 9-5 job. Why do you think he gets starts his streams at 5:30pm. After over a year of making Sea of Thieves content captain falcore can finally go full time making content. Again the face of the game.

    The YouTube financial ratio is 1k views for each US dollar. Falcore gets about 8k views a video.

    $8 a day plus maybe $100 from streaming. That’s poverty. I’m sure rare pays him because or his wife must does well.

    I game that isn’t dead has fans. Fans that support you and give you the opportunity to be successful. Sea of Thieves has enough fans to support content creators willing to live in poverty. Summit1g is an exception because he plays just as much Sea of Thieves as he does other games.

    Do I need to go further. Watch angry joe if that wasn’t enough to convince you. I love this game and want what’s best.

  • @justincase2004 said in Make SoT great again!!!:

    @ButteryBarnacls @Captn-Reaver @Clumsy-George @CotU42 @D3ADST1CK @Genuine-Heather @Greengrimz @HeavyReaper102

    You want evidence of how the game is dead. It’s rating is 3 out of 5 starts. That’s a grade of D for all you kids in school.

    Has nothing to do with whether the game is dead or not. (rating unrelated to active players)

    Arena has 45minute wait time AKA nobody played arena. Adventure is full of server hoppers like me who hop for an hour and find nobody doing FOTD.

    Arena is dead, but that does not indicate total active players. The mode is just bad. Also, not finding active FOTD is also not an indicator of player population.

    All that hard work on FOTD and nobody is doing it already. I can promise you that less than 30% of people have done it 50 times.

    Of course. It takes a long time to set up and complete, so odds are 99% of people playing do not have 50 completions done. This is also not an indicator of player population.

    The game has 8 million players but only 1% are legends. Out on the seas you find that 95% of players are legends or even more. That tells you that over 95% of the people that purchased the game either arnt active or played once on a free trial of game pass.

    Your math doesn't check out. Using your math, if only 5% of the people who bought or have accessed the game are playing (I got this number by using 100-95=5, in case I'm going to quickly) then that means that there are 400,000 people playing (5% of 8M = 400K). Sounds like a pretty good number to me which also makes it far from a dead game.

    Pace22, the face of Sea of Thieves can’t even afford to quit his 9-5 job. Why do you think he gets starts his streams at 5:30pm. After over a year of making Sea of Thieves content captain falcore can finally go full time making content. Again the face of the game.

    The YouTube financial ratio is 1k views for each US dollar. Falcore gets about 8k views a video.

    What does content creator viewer counts have to do with game health? Answer: Nothing.

  • @justincase2004
    Justin, bubby, if you didn't read my previous comment allow me to reiterate something again. For every anecdotal example someone has, their is someone out their with the opposite to disprove it.

    You want evidence of how the game is dead. It’s rating is 3 out of 5 starts. That’s a grade of D for all you kids in school.

    And? This is the rating since day one, we are getting close to two years now, if a score of 3/5 is a sign of a dead game, shouldn't it have died at launch?

    All that hard work on FOTD and nobody is doing it already. I can promise you that less than 30% of people have done it 50 times.

    Played the past two nights, and each time we have a FOTD that was popping off with plenty of fights.

    The game has 8 million players but only 1% are legends. Out on the seas you find that 95% of players are legends or even more. That tells you that over 95% of the people that purchased the game either arnt active or played once on a free trial of game pass.

    Where are you even getting this number? If its game pass or achievement base, you cannot base it off that. Why? because that number includes every single person who spend 5 minutes in a the game only to quit. Those people from game pass probably didn't have any interest in the game to begin with.

    Pace22, the face of Sea of Thieves can’t even afford to quit his 9-5 job. Why do you think he gets starts his streams at 5:30pm. After over a year of making Sea of Thieves content captain falcore can finally go full time making content. Again the face of the game.

    I love Pace, but he isn't a big streamer in the grand scheme of streamers. His audience base isn't remotely enough to pay the bills. Its interesting, that you are completely silent about Summit when he streams the game? Real convenient to ignore his stream numbers. Love or hate him, he has high stream numbers when he plays. Pace is one of many people who streams this game. You are cherry picking your examples to fit the narrative, that is extremely dishonest.

    The YouTube financial ratio is 1k views for each US dollar. Falcore gets about 8k views a video.

    His most latest one released is already sitting at 15k, it is only a day old. His next one is 22k, he even has videos at 60k. You actually don't know what you are talking about. I am also pretty sure that isn't remotely how ad revenue works.

    $8 a day plus maybe $100 from streaming. That’s poverty. I’m sure rare pays him because or his wife must does well.

    You are basing the success of a game solely on one guys ability to generate Youtube money in a time period that is labeled the "Adpocalypse."

    Do I need to go further. Watch angry joe if that wasn’t enough to convince you. I love this game and want what’s best.

    Anything of a relevant date or we talking videos over a year old?

    People have been saying this game is dying since day one, yet here it stands. Your cherry picked examples are garbage, to put it real blunt.

  • @justincase2004 I'm sorry, I didn't realize this was a popularity contest. Well then, I guess I will just stop enjoying myself.

  • @justincase2004
    Mr Justincase , i cannot slap your ears with statistics , all i can tell you comes from my own experience in- and about the Game...

    i am a Pirate that tries to talk to the enemy , i am a Pirate that reads Looking For Group posts . What i try to say with that is that i have spoken, played with a whole lot of New Pirates , lately. A game that is dying or has died doesn't attract New Players anymore , not in those numbers...

    You take Streamers as an example that the game is dead because they can't have this as a fulltime job...That doesn't suprize me as most streamers are just putting themselves in the picture and use the game as a background for their " show"...The two or three you have given by name or just the ones who would let me walk away from SOT if...i wouldn't know what this game is...

    This Game is a Tool , a Tool that let's you create stories and experiences where you are just able how it begins but are never able to determine where it ends...Alas , a lot of Pirate seems to be unaware of this...

    You take the Fortress of the Damned as a reference...Not many are playing this you say. Well, one of the reasons is that it takes a lot of time to take it down , that you better go in with higher numbers but if you don't want to talk to people then it's very hard to forge an Alliance , and certainly one that will be loyal...

    Human Personality and communication skill come into play with this and some lack this or don't dare this , they still need to grow in this Game like once i had to do...

    You take the long loading or waiting times for the lobby in Arena as an example. True those were long but that should be repaired today. If Rare tells or spread this more around that this issue has been solved , you will see a lot of Pirates turn back to this gamemode...

    95 percent of the players you came across were Legends , well, Sir , then you must have dropped in a reunion party or something because i see a lot of Pirates with Non Legend Sails who use the Anchor while those sails are raised ...There is not one Legend that moors their ship in this way...

    What i think is that you had indeed a calm server , or maybe got bullied by a Troll crew and now tries to convinse the Forummembers that SOT is dead ...i just fear you just stepped on the wrong place to tell your beliefs , most of us play everyday without reading statistics while coming across unseen Gamertags from Pirates of all levels, Seasoned , Legend and brandnew...

    Don't get me wrong , you may think , write and say all you want , it is a free world , i 'm just going to play my " dead" game which is filled with many Pirates of many Levels ...

    Happy Sailing wished towards my fellow " Dead" Brothers and Sisters of the Coast.i can't write longer , dear Sir , There is an update waiting for me that " no one" is going to play....Hey! Wait for meeeeee!!!!!

  • I think we can all agree that Sea of Thieves is basically dead.

    I don't think we can. I offer, as recent evidence...

    https://compass-ssl.xboxlive.com/assets/00/b0/00b06ce3-f475-4440-b597-3b5c2ea94079.jpg?n=SoT_FotD_Infographic.jpg

    A lot of people are clearing playing Sea of Thieves

    I’m my opinion this game will be 100% dead in 6 months of things don’t change.

    In my opinion, in 6 months, there will be another post foreshadowing the impending death of Sea of Thieves, and it too will be 100% wrong!

  • @justincase2004 said in Make SoT great again!!!:

    @ButteryBarnacls @Captn-Reaver @Clumsy-George @CotU42 @D3ADST1CK @Genuine-Heather @Greengrimz @HeavyReaper102

    You want evidence of how the game is dead. It’s rating is 3 out of 5 starts. That’s a grade of D for all you kids in school.

    Arena has 45minute wait time AKA nobody played arena. Adventure is full of server hoppers like me who hop for an hour and find nobody doing FOTD.

    All that hard work on FOTD and nobody is doing it already. I can promise you that less than 30% of people have done it 50 times.

    The game has 8 million players but only 1% are legends. Out on the seas you find that 95% of players are legends or even more. That tells you that over 95% of the people that purchased the game either arnt active or played once on a free trial of game pass.

    Pace22, the face of Sea of Thieves can’t even afford to quit his 9-5 job. Why do you think he gets starts his streams at 5:30pm. After over a year of making Sea of Thieves content captain falcore can finally go full time making content. Again the face of the game.

    The YouTube financial ratio is 1k views for each US dollar. Falcore gets about 8k views a video.

    $8 a day plus maybe $100 from streaming. That’s poverty. I’m sure rare pays him because or his wife must does well.

    I game that isn’t dead has fans. Fans that support you and give you the opportunity to be successful. Sea of Thieves has enough fans to support content creators willing to live in poverty. Summit1g is an exception because he plays just as much Sea of Thieves as he does other games.

    Do I need to go further. Watch angry joe if that wasn’t enough to convince you. I love this game and want what’s best.

    Nothing you posted there has any reflection upon actual game population or the health of the game. And you lost me and many others thinking Angry Joe (what a tool) or any of the listed streamers have any appreciable influence or reflect the health of the game.

    Also if the game was in such dire straits, Microsoft would have pulled the plug on it long ago like they did with may other games instead of continuing to invest and expand the game as they have.

    If the game is "dead" or dying, then explain how this game has consistently been one of the most played games on Xbox for over a year now? It has always been within the top 30 played games on the console week after week, most times coming in between 20th and 25th and peaking at the 11th most played game of the week right after the Anniversary Update. And if you compare it to the other games on the list, then you'd know that it is not failing in the least but still has a very dedicated player base.

    And to back up my statements, I present you:

  • Rare pushes out free, packed full, content updates, monthly, sure there will be bugs but most bugs are funny, and I play games like "dead by daylight" and "for honor". you dont know what a buggy game is, your just abit privileged with your experience.

  • @justincase2004 i give you another digital slap in your face like @dlCHIEF58

    Here are the UK(only) most sold games last week!

    https://ukie.org.uk/news/2019/11/pokémon-sword-slices-through-competition-debut-no1

    So you see SoT is Rank 19 and that’s very good for an „dying“ Game :D

    An you can see the other weeks, SoT is since Month for the most sold games and that list isn’t only for Xbox No it’s for ALL games sold for all systems! So there aren’t only new players coming in every week no Rare is doing an very good net revenue! And this is only sold games and only UK think about the 10‘s of thousands new game pass subscribers every month who coming in an playing our Game!

  • @justincase2004 said in Make SoT great again!!!:

    @ButteryBarnacls @Captn-Reaver @Clumsy-George @CotU42 @D3ADST1CK @Genuine-Heather @Greengrimz @HeavyReaper102

    You want evidence of how the game is dead. It’s rating is 3 out of 5 starts. That’s a grade of D for all you kids in school.

    Whoah there buster - Teacher sat here... let's break it down in terms of a UK school system then and my experience as a Computer Science Teacher of 12 years:
    3/5 = 60%
    If that was the mark for a GCSE Computer Science paper, with a maximum mark of 80 that would be 48 marks - a mark short of a 6 - which is a B/A in "old money" terms.

    Don't come in here giving the big I am telling people what to think and throwing random comments like this out there without an ounce of any backing to it.

    • Where is your evidence to support 45 minute queues other than anecdotally?
    • Where is your evidence of 30% of people doing FOTD?
    • 8 million players and 1% are legends? 1% of EVERY PLAYER TO HAVE EVER DOWNLOADED AND RUN THE GAME ONCE - that's a lot of people who jumped into the hype train at launch and aren't counted in that 8 million. people also play for fun, not necessarily to grind to PL - there are other games out there after all... Also - 95% are Legend in game? Show me your evidence.
    • A streamer can't quit his day job because SoT if failing... have you heard yourself?

    Your strawman arguments are ridiculous and I seriously can't work out at this point if you're a troll or being silly...

  • More focus on quality and less on quantity. I agree with your base argument.

  • @viperishemu2992 but how can this be the argument when so many moaned for so many months on the fact that there was nothing to do.
    I've played some awful games (developed some too in my university days) so I have to say this really isn't a buggy mess or as poor quality as people make it out to be.

  • @justincase2004 I cant agree with your first statement at all. So much so that i didnt bother to read the rest of your whine.

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