disabling PVP and how it could be done

  • TheDaxter11
    Rogue

    okay, look, i know a lot of people think it should be pure PVP and have no option to disable it, but that mentality, along with the stupid "git gud" mentality has killed games in the past or is killing them now, i also know its been talked about a lot and people are probably fed up with it, but its not gonna stop until they add it, so heres how i think it could be done: i think instead of having a different server we should just be able to opt out of PVP, the devs could make it so when we spawn in we can go up to a bartender or something in the tavern and disable PVP so we dont have to worry about putting time and effort into something only for someone to come along and steal our stuff when they dont deserve it

    heres what would happen if you opted out of PVP:
    1: you wouldnt be able to kill other players and they wouldnt be able to kill you, obviously, though youde still be able to pull your weapons out and use them for the PVE content, if you couldnt do that it would be pointless (cough cough GTA 5s passive mode)
    2: if you rammed another ship you wouldnt be able to do damage from the ram or take damage from it, regardless if the ship rammed was in PVP mode or not
    3: if you dig up a chest, only you and your crew are allowed to pick it up, so people wouldnt be able to wait for you to dig it up then steal it for themselves, this also goes for skeleton skulls and animal cages, kill a skeleton for your voyage and only you can pick it up, its your/your crews voyage, not whoevers trying to steal it from you, but this also applies to you as well, no using your PVE mode to steal other peoples loot without them being able to stop you,
    4: point 3 also goes for fort loot, if your doing a fort on your own, only you can pick that loot up, so people couldnt wait for it to be finished and then swoop in and steal the loot they have no right to get, if there are other people doing it with you, the game should group you all together, so you can all go back and sell the loot and get money, a temporary alliance type of thing, even if one ship sailed off to a different outpost to sell the loot they put on there ship, everyone would get the reward, either that or each crew just sees there own loot room so they all get loot without the risk of someone finding out a way to abuse what i first suggested, or a split system so two of each loot item spawns, say for example the best type of skull you can get, but in turn theres less loot for each crew, cause its been split
    5: if you go on to another crews ship, you can interact with the lights and grog barrel, but thats it, no stealing bananas, canon balls, wooden planks or chests/skulls/caged animals, no sailing it yourself or messing with the sails, and hell, maybe not even interacting with the lights in case someone tries to use it to give the ships position away at night just in case

    why do i think this should be a thing instead of PVE servers? well simple, sometimes people might wanna go up to a fight someones having, drop anchor and just watch, thats something i used to do on GTA 5 when i played it, went in passive mode and looked for whoever was having a fight and watched, it was fun, sure you could just look up a video of ship battles, but being there and being able to watch for yourself feels better than watching a video on youtube, and you wouldnt be able to wait until one ship sunk and steal the loot from the ship who sunk it because the whole "not being able to pick up someone elses loot" thing i mentioned would be in affect

    and no, progression would NOT be changed for being opted into PVE, its cosmetic, that would be the stupidest decision they could make, oh, and to anyone who thinks this would make the game "boring", it would not, wanna know why? if YOU, the person who thinks it would make it boring, dont like it, you could just stay opted in to PVP, youll still be able to play the exact same way you do now, only you wouldnt be able to go up and start fighting someone who doesnt wanna fight and steal there loot

    this wouldnt be to hard for the devs to do, i mean theyve already done something like this with making it so you cant kill someone in the same crew, and its not like theyde be adding new items into the game or anything, oh and one last thing, a message for the devs if they do happen to see this, for god sake at LEAST make outposts non-hostile zones and make it so you cant kill there, on the little pirate code thing inside every tavern you say "disputes will be solved on the seas", so why can people still PVP there?

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  • Octopus Lime
    Master
    Founder

    Can't tell if you're trolling or not?

  • Sir Lotus
    Master
    Insider
    Boatswain

    @thedaxter11 Hi,

    1st all feel free to join the discussion about it in here:

    https://www.seaofthieves.com/forum/topic/57995/mega-thread-balancing-exploration-and-player-combat-part-5

    2nd part, the "keep it on seas" is reffering to keeping all disputes in-game.

  • TheDaxter11
    Rogue

    @octopus-lime cant tell how this could be mistaken for trolling

  • Octopus Lime
    Master
    Founder

    @thedaxter11 Because you're basically asking for a risk free easy mode

  • TheDaxter11
    Rogue

    @octopus-lime no im not, if i put time and effort into doing a voyage or fort, someone shouldnt be able to come and steal all the loot i got, all that time and effort gone to waste? no thanks

  • Octopus Lime
    Master
    Founder

    @thedaxter11 well play smarter or get better at defending your loot. The game is literally called sea of thieves

  • DrunkPunk138
    Master
    Founder

    @thedaxter11 said in disabling PVP and how it could be done:

    @octopus-lime no im not, if i put time and effort into doing a voyage or fort, someone shouldnt be able to come and steal all the loot i got, all that time and effort gone to waste? no thanks

    you just contradicted yourself in the same sentence.

  • LucianSanchez82
    Legend
    Boatswain
    Founder

    The very spirit of this game is that you're placed in to a shared world, inhabited by other players, and that those other players may be a threat to you. When players encounter each other a choice has to be made on how you're going to react - fight, flee, play music, drink grog... The game purposely puts those choices in your hands.

    If you've taken the time to find treasure, it's also up to you to defend it until you hand it in. Putting in changes like the above destroys that spirit. Yes, people can take your hard earned stuff, which sucks, but you have the tools to defend yourself or even go take from others. We're all pirates here, and to play this game is to accept those inherent risks - you're essentially asking for an entirely different game to what you bought.

  • ElectricKnights
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    Insider

    The biggest problem with that, besides whether that is a design theory (gameplay) that the creators want to provide, is that PvP-Disabled players would be removing random loot found throughout the world from the hands of other pirates. That's just not the nature of this game. If two ships come upon a chest on an island's shore, or a shipwreck, it's just a matter of who picks it up first? And then nothing can be done to grab it.
    It could work, but I don't know if that would work to Rare's liking or towards the entertaining success of this game.

    I'm not big on PvP, but I opted into it when I joined this game.
    Removing the ability for others to get the Fort loot or any other loot - and adding the confusion of non-damaging ships colliding, non-damaging weapons firing and striking... chests, skulls, crates, and treasures you can't pick up... it all sounds like a bad design, to me.

    Just my honest, respectful thoughts.
    Fare seas!

  • NWO Azcrack
    Master

    @thedaxter11
    Stealing loot is what the game is all about

  • Gloog
    Master
    Founder

    This kills me.

    Seriously, what do people not understand about this? Separating the game designs in two would make a grind mode and a fight mode. It's so ridiculously stupid that people don't see this devastating the game.

    Why did the @Deckhands stop locking these???

  • TheDaxter11
    Rogue

    @drunkpunk138 said in disabling PVP and how it could be done:

    @thedaxter11 said in disabling PVP and how it could be done:

    @octopus-lime no im not, if i put time and effort into doing a voyage or fort, someone shouldnt be able to come and steal all the loot i got, all that time and effort gone to waste? no thanks

    you just contradicted yourself in the same sentence.

    no i didnt, if i spent ages doing a voyage, going to the various islands and killing skeletons to get skulls, searching for the chests or trying to find the animals, i/my crew deserves the reward, not someone whos come up to us and started chasing us to steal it from us, if my crew has done a skeleton fort, which takes quite a bit of time and effort, we deserve the loot, (along with anyone who might have helped out) not someone whos come up and started attacking us for it, cause they didnt put in any of the effort or time to come and take it from us that we did to do it in the first place

    imagine if a crew had been hunting the kraken, they spend the time to find it, finally get the encounter, end up killing it, and get any loot it might drop, who deserves it more, the people who killed the kraken or some random crew who just came up and sunk them after the kraken died? the crew who killed the kraken themselves

  • DrunkPunk138
    Master
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    @thedaxter11 said in disabling PVP and how it could be done:

    @drunkpunk138 said in disabling PVP and how it could be done:

    @thedaxter11 said in disabling PVP and how it could be done:

    @octopus-lime no im not, if i put time and effort into doing a voyage or fort, someone shouldnt be able to come and steal all the loot i got, all that time and effort gone to waste? no thanks

    you just contradicted yourself in the same sentence.

    no i didnt, if i spent ages doing a voyage, going to the various islands and killing skeletons to get skulls, searching for the chests or trying to find the animals, i/my crew deserves the reward, not someone whos come up to us and started chasing us to steal it from us, if my crew has done a skeleton fort, which takes quite a bit of time and effort, we deserve the loot, (along with anyone who might have helped out) not someone whos come up and started attacking us for it, cause they didnt put in any of the effort or time to come and take it from us that we did to do it in the first place

    imagine if a crew had been hunting the kraken, they spend the time to find it, finally get the encounter, end up killing it, and get any loot it might drop, who deserves it more, the people who killed the kraken or some random crew who just came up and sunk them after the kraken died? the crew who killed the kraken themselves

    I'll be honest, I didn't read anything you said here. I just want to point out somebody claimed "you want a risk free easy pve mode", and you said "no I don't" but then proceeded to explain why you want a risk free easy pve mode. That is what you'd call contradicting yourself. In fact, it looks like you did it here, again, although not within the same sentence.

  • MaliceVanRow
    Captain

    I'd like to explore call of duty and battlefield maps. I want pvp removed so I can do that. Thank you.

  • Octopus Lime
    Master
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    imagine if a crew had been hunting the kraken, they spend the time to find it, finally get the encounter, end up killing it, and get any loot it might drop, who deserves it more, the people who killed the kraken or some random crew who just came up and sunk them after the kraken died? the crew who killed the kraken themselves

    Ok now we know he is trolling, stand down gentleman, stand down.

  • NWO Azcrack
    Master

    GTA passive mode was the one of the biggest mistakes in video game history.

  • Da German420
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    u can do nothin in gta while passive mode,farming businnes is disabled,n even in a private lobby u can just do biker/vip missions with small amount of money n rep.sure in gta u have missions n heists(pve) but on the free map its also pvp.on of the biggest mistake from rockstar is they dont monitoring their game,every day new glitches n its a hackers paradise

  • LucianSanchez82
    Legend
    Boatswain
    Founder

    @thedaxter11 said in disabling PVP and how it could be done:

    @drunkpunk138 said in disabling PVP and how it could be done:

    @thedaxter11 said in disabling PVP and how it could be done:

    @octopus-lime no im not, if i put time and effort into doing a voyage or fort, someone shouldnt be able to come and steal all the loot i got, all that time and effort gone to waste? no thanks

    you just contradicted yourself in the same sentence.

    no i didnt, if i spent ages doing a voyage, going to the various islands and killing skeletons to get skulls, searching for the chests or trying to find the animals, i/my crew deserves the reward, not someone whos come up to us and started chasing us to steal it from us, if my crew has done a skeleton fort, which takes quite a bit of time and effort, we deserve the loot, (along with anyone who might have helped out) not someone whos come up and started attacking us for it, cause they didnt put in any of the effort or time to come and take it from us that we did to do it in the first place

    imagine if a crew had been hunting the kraken, they spend the time to find it, finally get the encounter, end up killing it, and get any loot it might drop, who deserves it more, the people who killed the kraken or some random crew who just came up and sunk them after the kraken died? the crew who killed the kraken themselves

    There is a proverb fortune favours the brave. Which is very fitting here. This game does not care about who deserves what. It simply cares about who was able to win, and cash the loot in at the end. I feel you'll fair better in this game when you realise that nothing is yours until you see the gold trickle in to your account. When you're out on the open sea, other crews will spot you, they will attack you, they will try to take the loot you've found. Like it or not, you've chosen to play a game that, as charming as it looks, is designed to be entirely unfair to those who are not prepared.

  • Maquark
    Marauder

    @nwo-azcrack because of the ones who switch back and forth to be nearly invincible or another reason? to go a little more off topic, i thought red dead's friendly servers were a blast, but i still played the hell out of the competitive modes too.

  • Navarita
    Ship Mate

    @thedaxter11

    I would play this game. My friends would.

    No one in my friend list is playing the game SoT is right now, and they aren't planning on coming back without something like this.

    It's crazy to me how ready to lose players are both Rare and all the white knights in the forums just out of pure stubbornness and spite against adding options that would attract different playstyles. Pitiful.

  • NWO Azcrack
    Master

    @maquark
    The entire concept of allowing ppl to stay in the world but opt out of combat is ridiculous and unimmersive. Why come to a shared world and be a ghost?

  • WC MattMon
    Marauder

    I love how you said that "Git Gud" is killing games, but, then you go and suggest something that will kill this one, simply because, and here's the kicker, you don't want to, or can't, git gud

  • ChiTown Bear

    @navarita said in disabling PVP and how it could be done:

    @thedaxter11

    I would play this game. My friends would.

    No one in my friend list is playing the game SoT is right now, and they aren't planning on coming back without something like this.

    It's crazy to me how ready to lose players are both Rare and all the white knights in the forums just out of pure stubbornness and spite against adding options that would attract different playstyles. Pitiful.

    I have a few friends waiting for a change to PVP to come back, but this isn't the way to do it. Allowing people to go opt in and out within a server isn't going to work. First, its not fair to those wanting to PVP if they get put in a server with 5 other ships who have opted out. Second, this would open up many opportunities for griefing.

    Lots of good ways they can deal with it from separate play lists or restrictions on PVP. Allowing people to opt in and out? Not a good way to go about it.

  • lotrmith
    Marauder
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    @thedaxter11 said in disabling PVP and how it could be done:

    @octopus-lime no im not, if i put time and effort into doing a voyage or fort, someone shouldnt be able to come and steal all the loot i got, all that time and effort gone to waste? no thanks

    Not sure if you know which game you bought.

  • MattyDove74
    Marauder

    @thedaxter11 said in disabling PVP and how it could be done:

    @octopus-lime cant tell how this could be mistaken for trolling

    Because what you are suggesting is ridiculous. 10/10.

  • lotrmith
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    @navarita said in disabling PVP and how it could be done:

    @thedaxter11

    I would play this game. My friends would.

    No one in my friend list is playing the game SoT is right now, and they aren't planning on coming back without something like this.

    It's crazy to me how ready to lose players are both Rare and all the white knights in the forums just out of pure stubbornness and spite against adding options that would attract different playstyles. Pitiful.

    You and your friends won't be missed, because you don't add much to the shared environment of the game we love.

  • UrihamRayne
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    so what exacly is the downside here? literally everyone would pick the ability to become immune to damage and immune to theft, what are you smoking?

    is this some sort of competition between pve players? To suggest the most broken and stupid ideas they can possibly come up with?

  • Daddy Sanctus
    Ship Mate
    Insider

    It can’t be done.

    /end

  • Trickrrrtreat
    Insider

    @navarita said in disabling PVP and how it could be done:

    @thedaxter11

    I would play this game. My friends would.

    No one in my friend list is playing the game SoT is right now, and they aren't planning on coming back without something like this.

    It's crazy to me how ready to lose players are both Rare and all the white knights in the forums just out of pure stubbornness and spite against adding options that would attract different playstyles. Pitiful.

    it's not a different play style, it's a different game.
    The OP's ideas are redonculous.
    We don't need people to come back that don't like this game. We need to keep the people we have who do like it.

  • Trickrrrtreat
    Insider

    @luciansanchez82 said in disabling PVP and how it could be done:

    @thedaxter11 said in disabling PVP and how it could be done:

    @drunkpunk138 said in disabling PVP and how it could be done:

    @thedaxter11 said in disabling PVP and how it could be done:

    @octopus-lime no im not, if i put time and effort into doing a voyage or fort, someone shouldnt be able to come and steal all the loot i got, all that time and effort gone to waste? no thanks

    you just contradicted yourself in the same sentence.

    no i didnt, if i spent ages doing a voyage, going to the various islands and killing skeletons to get skulls, searching for the chests or trying to find the animals, i/my crew deserves the reward, not someone whos come up to us and started chasing us to steal it from us, if my crew has done a skeleton fort, which takes quite a bit of time and effort, we deserve the loot, (along with anyone who might have helped out) not someone whos come up and started attacking us for it, cause they didnt put in any of the effort or time to come and take it from us that we did to do it in the first place

    imagine if a crew had been hunting the kraken, they spend the time to find it, finally get the encounter, end up killing it, and get any loot it might drop, who deserves it more, the people who killed the kraken or some random crew who just came up and sunk them after the kraken died? the crew who killed the kraken themselves

    There is a proverb fortune favours the brave. Which is very fitting here. This game does not care about who deserves what. It simply cares about who was able to win, and cash the loot in at the end. I feel you'll fair better in this game when you realise that nothing is yours until you see the gold trickle in to your account. When you're out on the open sea, other crews will spot you, they will attack you, they will try to take the loot you've found. Like it or not, you've chosen to play a game that, as charming as it looks, is designed to be entirely unfair to those who are not prepared.

    THIS.

  • AbandonedTitan7

    @thedaxter11 I'm gonna sum up your post for the Tl;Dr people.

    Op said: "I'm not good at this game and I don't like people always killing me because of my lack of skill. Please make the game easier or I will stop playing.

  • Maquark
    Marauder

    @nwo-azcrack maybe to test drive a new car without risk or a quick goof-off before going in to work 🤔

  • NWO Azcrack
    Master

    @maquark
    This can be done now. Earlier today i hopped in for 20 mins and got a chest of sorrows, 2 captains, a seafart and a skull. Turned it in and logged out. Didnt get attacked. And i didnt need a pvp toggle

  • HolezInYa

    @thedaxter11

    The crew that deserves the loot is the crew that cashes it in.

    It can’t be done, and it shouldn’t be done. I bought the game for the risk vs reward elements that you want to remove.

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