solo sloop only lobbies

The topic is about Solo Sloop lobbies.
Can we get back to that? Why is it a good or bad idea?

None of these endless replies about the same thing; it's getting annoying.

Solo sloop lobbies would be very boring.

Sure - it would be balanced but would remove some of the magic from the game.
The threat of (unbalanced) PvP keeps content engaging - like the Weekender voyages.
On the surface Merchant Voyages but when high risk (I lose my chest I am losing 200 dubs - we don't get a surplus like multi-crews) I am fully immersed and engaged.

Rowing up on an Galleon with a Black Keg would be sorely missed.

@heretic1873 said in solo sloop only lobbies:

kinda stopped working when the game plummeted to 10k peak players.

Gold Hoarder Ledger currently has 199,342 pirates listed.

@burnbacon said in solo sloop only lobbies:

The topic is about Solo Sloop lobbies.
Can we get back to that? Why is it a good or bad idea?

None of these endless replies about the same thing; it's getting annoying.

I was just pointing out every single one of your arguments and through satire explaining to you why it's all a bunch of nonsense, so please, be reasonable next time so the moderation doesn't have to ban me for all this irony, i geniuenly want to hear some feedback from you, but it's kinda hard not to point and laugh at everything you posted here.

@pc-monkfish said in solo sloop only lobbies:

Solo sloop lobbies would be very boring.

1. Nobody is forcing you to play there
2. You base that on absolutely nothing

Gold Hoarder Ledger currently has 199,342 pirates listed.

Yeah, throughout the entire month 200k players probably made a dent in the ledger, but you just checked it at the end of the month, plus ledger takes every single player that participated, 10k is the average concurrent peak playercount.

@xdreegan said in solo sloop only lobbies:

2. Don't put words in my mouth. Both BurnBacon and Europa know my extended thoughts on this game. If you're actually curious, you can check my post history, but you're not gonna sit there and straight lie about me.

Sure, why wouldn't i look through the post history of everyone who said "no because it wouldn't feel right" in this thread having about 2 hours a day of free time within a week, i simply consider it to be a waste of time, if you had anything meaningfull to say on the topic, you would say it here...

@heretic1873 said in solo sloop only lobbies:

@pc-monkfish said in solo sloop only lobbies:

Solo sloop lobbies would be very boring.

1. Nobody is forcing you to play there
2. You base that on absolutely nothing

1. Splitting player base would be detrimental if you had the option.
2. It's my opinion and gave reasoning.

Yeah, throughout the entire month 200k players probably made a dent in the ledger, but you just checked it at the end of the month, plus ledger takes every single player that participated, 10k is the average concurrent peak playercount.

Nobody outside Rare really knows what the concurrent player base is and if server merging is working it is irrelevant anyway. Servers should be kept full.

The Emissary Ledger demonstrates the number of players who raised the flag. They are gonna be of differing skill levels so it is not as if all pirates on (your alleged 10k) are going to be top tier sweats.
More likely they are a fair amount of n00bs in there.
Veteran players are going to be more likely to have maxed out Gold Hoarders and got all rewards from Ledger so don't appear in the 200k.
I run Guild only for these reasons and I am sure I am not the only one.

@pc-monkfish said in solo sloop only lobbies:

Sure - it would be balanced but would remove some of the magic from the game.
The threat of (unbalanced) PvP keeps content engaging - like the Weekender voyages.

Stop acting like the lack of balance is a feature, it makes the experience inconsistent, look, i've sunk galleons before, but they were all full of basically the type of people you expect to be looking for easy prey, that's not a victory, that's a mercykill, galleons aren't really the issue here, it's the brigs that are annoying now, with speed tweaks every brig can at all times decide if they want to engage in combat, and when they are willing to do so, they're usually full of tryhards, once they sustain more than superficial damage they can just run away and reset (and don't even start with the "oh but usually they are inexperienced") , so if you don't have 50 chainshots on you, too bad! you're basically dead the moment they see you, it's frustrating that one ship can basically grab everyone by the throat as they see fit, before the speed tweaks you could at least mess with them by running and boarding on solo sloops, but don't give me that, it's not fun, it's infuriating and i'm not some rando noob, i got over 1400 hours in this game and even hit lvl 100 in guardians recently, if after sinking 120 ships in competitive play i'm not ready, i don't think i'll ever be, it's unbalanced, it's stupid, it's frustrating and i know there are people who agree with me who at some point will simply quit, it's the numbers i'm worried about, i'm worried that microslop will just shut Rare down, man...

@pc-monkfish said in solo sloop only lobbies:

1. Splitting player base would be detrimental if you had the option.

We don't know that, and i'm not saying we should just implement it blindly, i just want this to get into insiders

2. It's my opinion and gave reasoning.

The reasoning in question: "it would remove some of the magic" "game being unbalanced is a good thing" "i can only get excited when i have something to loose", you know what? i'll give you that last one, but there are other ways to get that, like stocking loot and then looking for a bruise

oh and by the way:

Rowing up on an Galleon with a Black Keg would be sorely missed.

Nobody is trying to remove galleons or the ability to play on the "classic" unbalanced mode, you can just stay where you are and keep saying what you're saying and trying to convince yourself you should always have the last word in the discussion and if you're right people who enjoy this will stay there too, so put your faith to the test instead of running away from it, if you're right and that's the optimal experience people will simply stick around untill Rare retires the feature when everybody stops using it. "it's not magical" "we don't need balance" "it's gonna split the playerbase" put your money where your mouth is, son, we get it to insiders, we see if it flies, if it doesn't i will literally send you a fruit basket.

@heretic1873

I get ya.
I largely try to avoid PvP due to the unbalanced nature of it as you describe.

The inclusion of grapplin gun boarding has stacked the odds further against us solo sloopers so can appreciate your point of view.
Poor decisions have been made.
Meta now is just to board and anchor which for a solo can be game over (at least it is with my poor TDM).

@pc-monkfish

I get ya.
I largely try to avoid PvP due to the unbalanced nature of it as you describe.

All the more reason for the solo sloop servers

The inclusion of grapplin gun boarding has stacked the odds further against us solo sloopers so can appreciate your point of view.

IDK, hasn't really been a factor for me, i just blunder them off and say something annoying like "better luck next time" (they hate that)

Poor decisions have been made.
Meta now is just to board and anchor which for a solo can be game over (at least it is with my poor TDM).

It's pretty much always have been the meta, but on top of double boarding, for example, they can put more holes in your ship more quickly (that includes the one you catch with your face)

The hourglass is really fun, it really brought me to do more PvP, but it sucks that we can't have that exact experience with the world events, conquering a fort of fortune alone is usually basically asking for a bruise and even more mundane stuff like those lone runs with the merchants, (since none of my friends care for the merchant stuff) or hunters, i wouldn't expect that to be the new core experience, but it would be fun to be able to experience the game without wasting 5 hours a day for pointless battles especially when they're uneven, hell, they could put more ships into solo sloop sessions, since there's always only one player on each it wouldn't lag so much with 6 or even 7 ships, i would geniuenly be more willing to fight if i knew the battlefield is more equal now...

Nobody is forcing you to play there

Nobody is forcing you to solo sloop or be on a sloop, but chosen to be.

You base that on absolutely nothing

Solo sloop lobbies would be very boring.

Seem to be quiet so, it has more Cons before Pros why it be horrible experience and quiet so, the Server size would make it bad.
Like I say...doesnt matter what type of server you play on, in any game known. People will gang up on the weak in small servers.

The Emissary Ledger demonstrates the number of players who raised the flag

Like this here says. And from what this whole Season so far nobody is raising any other faction flags because "Fear" of being sunk. OR majority of players have all the rewards.

i got over 1400 hours in this game and even hit lvl 100 in guardians recently, if after sinking 120 ships in competitive play i'm not ready, i don't think i'll ever be

and you think a Solo Sloop lobby will improve or make it better for you? Im not getting it.
Sounds a more excuse to be Alone more...or play a different game.

You want a lobby for solo players on sloops.
Well, what will happen is someone captures a BB and gathers up 3 other solos, and they work together to scare off other solos. Hunting them down...that is the fact of it, a predictable thought and outcome.

Everyone in this comment section who says "I've sunk a galleon/BB as a solo therefore you are wrong" are completely not getting the point. I have too, you aren't special because you rolled up on a boat full of swabbies and sunk them. Any halfway competent crew of a brig/galley/BB will never lose to a solo sloop because it doesn't matter how good one player is if there is things that need to be done and they can't do them. A large boat can have you demasted off their first volley, and then just lay into you while you raise/turtle. Also, to burnbacon, any weapon you have access to, they also have access to. You aren't the only person who is allowed to use curse balls and kegs, and sacrificing one member of a 4 man crew with a keg to kill 1 member of a 1 man crew makes great tactical sense.

Yes, sometimes large boats are captained by swabbies and can be easily sunk, no that doesn't mean it's a bad idea to make sloop only servers. If I get rolled up on by a galleon while I'm doing a fort, I have essentially no chance to win or even escape, because the ship is faster than mine. "wAtCh tHe HoRiZoN" doesn't matter anymore when someone can come out of a dive within 1 square of you and be at your boat in less time than it takes to kill a single wave of skeletons.

Solo only lobbies would be so fun. I wonder if they could have more ships per server that way too.

@straw-hat-blake I hadn't even considered that! Sloop only lobbies could potentially open it up to like 10-12 ships on a server. They currently allow up to 6 galleons on a server, so I don't see why they couldn't do 10 sloops.

@potatosord said in solo sloop only lobbies:

@straw-hat-blake I hadn't even considered that! Sloop only lobbies could potentially open it up to like 10-12 ships on a server. They currently allow up to 6 galleons on a server, so I don't see why they couldn't do 10 sloops.

To be perfectly honest, 10 ships i would consider wishful thinking, but who knows, maybe

@burnbacon said in solo sloop only lobbies:

Nobody is forcing you to solo sloop or be on a sloop, but chosen to be.

When everyone i know who plays this game either works or studies i have to either solo sloop or play other games, and honestly, the latter seems more attractive with every day at this point

Like I say...doesnt matter what type of server you play on, in any game known. People will gang up on the weak in small servers.

And that's exactly why i find it so bewildering that you would use that as an argument here, if people are already doing that, wouldn't bringing that up be redundant? extreme example:
-I don't think you should eat bread because it rains sometimes
it would rain whether you eat bread or not, in the same wein: people would gang on you on normal servers, so why is it an argument against solo sloop servers?

and you think a Solo Sloop lobby will improve or make it better for you? Im not getting it.

B A L A N C E, ultimately I don't care if i get dem kills and sinks or not, I just want the battle to be fair.

Well, what will happen is someone captures a BB and gathers up 3 other solos, and they work together to scare off other solos. Hunting them down...that is the fact of it, a predictable thought and outcome.

Yeah, Bacon, you're absolutely right, people will gang up and hunt other ships, it's not like everyone will die once and have to sail all the way back to the ship they died on, or be left stranded when they fall off, so every 1 in 500 times when that works it still wouldn't be practical at all, every reason to object is good when you have no idea what you're talking about.

You made me repeat myself for the 4th time on this now...

Look, man, I already got a warning on this thread, I'm supposed not to be too mean with my answers, but you're not making this easy right now...

What about rowboat-only lobbies? lol

@potatosord said in solo sloop only lobbies:

@straw-hat-blake I hadn't even considered that! Sloop only lobbies could potentially open it up to like 10-12 ships on a server. They currently allow up to 6 galleons on a server, so I don't see why they couldn't do 10 sloops.

6 galleons on an Adventure server is a very long time ago, AFAIK servers are still limited to 17 players max.

So the gist of all of this back and forth is:

The game is "unbalanced" not as a sloop vs galleon. But as a SOLO sloop vs galleon. What are we doing here? 😂

Tell me what's easier and more logical since few of you are so about "actual arguments" and "facts":

Dividing the playerbase even more and creating dedicated sloop server just so you don't occasionally sink as a solo to a galleon or a brig in the sandbox, or you accepting a disadvantage of a solo slooper / grouping up with just 1 more person?

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All of you here talking about "balance" and "equal skill galleon vs equal skill sloop" are intentionally omitting the fact Rare stated since the beginning that solo slooping is not recommended and at your own disadvantage, and at the end of the day it's your choice, and always was.

Also, the weakest excuse is "but I don't have 2+ hours to play". Again, make time. Or don't play solo. When I care about something, I make time for it. And judging by all the drama and emotions in this post - some of you really really care about this 😁

TL:DR - deal with it lol. Ppl gave you more than enough arguments. The fact you can't accept those doesn't make them any less real or strong.

@r3vanns said in solo sloop only lobbies:

The game is "unbalanced" not as a sloop vs galleon. But as a SOLO sloop vs galleon. What are we doing here? 😂

Hourglass does solo only. And it’s super fun. It’s not about being balanced, it’s just a fun idea.

Dividing the playerbase even more and creating dedicated sloop server just so you don't occasionally sink as a solo to a galleon or a brig in the sandbox, or you accepting a disadvantage of a solo slooper / grouping up with just 1 more person?

People sang the same song about safer seas. Solo lobbies won’t divide the player base. It will add more people to the game that wouldn’t play otherwise. Like no persons going to stop playing because solo lobbies exist. And if they do then they’d probably quit anyways like that’s very weak minded stuff. PvP crews are just crying because they like the easy win

All of you here talking about "balance" and "equal skill galleon vs equal skill sloop" are intentionally omitting the fact Rare stated since the beginning that solo slooping is not recommended and at your own disadvantage, and at the end of the day it's your choice, and always was.

Nobodies intentionally omitting anything. If anything rares knowledge of how difficult it is to play solo is a testament to how solo players are warriors. We know what we are doing and it’s still fun. On that note some
Solo players will still choose to play in bigger lobbies regardless. Not to mention some commendations will still need to be done in the full seas.

Also, the weakest excuse is "but I don't have 2+ hours to play". Again, make time. Or don't play solo. When I care about something, I make time for it. And judging by all the drama and emotions in this post - some of you really really care about this 😁

Now the gaslighting starts. You are the only drama here right now haha. Basically scared that you’ll lose your easy win since a lot of lobbies have solo players just waiting to get ganked by crews. And since you’re saying it’s dumb to play solo I’m assuming you mostly play on crews.

TL:DR - deal with it lol. Ppl gave you more than enough arguments. The fact you can't accept those doesn't make them any less real or strong.

Youll deal with it when rare eventually adds solo only servers haha.

What people shouldn be really be asking is if we did do solo only servers, how would it look. Like how many ships per server? Is loot reduced? (Please gawd no) like this “yes vs no” argument gets us nowhere

@straw-hat-blake said in solo sloop only lobbies:

@r3vanns said in solo sloop only lobbies:

People sang the same song about safer seas. Solo lobbies won’t divide the player base. It will add more people to the game that wouldn’t play otherwise. Like no persons going to stop playing because solo lobbies exist. And if they do then they’d probably quit anyways like that’s very weak minded stuff. PvP crews are just crying because they like the easy win

And what's the next thing that happened? SS + diving = ppl complaining servers are "empty" cuz everyone is either running/diving, and the rest of the PvE lords are camping in SS. 😂 Nah, it didn't divide at all.... lol.

Now the gaslighting starts. You are the only drama here right now haha. Basically scared that you’ll lose your easy win since a lot of lobbies have solo players just waiting to get ganked by crews. And since you’re saying it’s dumb to play solo I’m assuming you mostly play on crews.

I'm a solo slooper mate. So your "gaslighting" argument is falling apart by default, and you're omega projecting. 😁

The only difference here is that I know what I bought, I accepted the rules and risks, and I'm not the one whining about something that's been in the game since the beginning. 😉

Youll deal with it when rare eventually adds solo only servers haha.

Nah they're not. They're not stupid wasting resources and time to appeal to a minority who don't want to adapt. But sure, it's your right to cope and hope. 😅

@r3vanns

And what's the next thing that happened? SS + diving = ppl complaining servers are "empty" cuz everyone is either running/diving, and the rest of the PvE lords are camping in SS. 😂

Literally no one but new players go to safer seas, there's nothing to do on SS once you hit legend, solo sloop lobbies would give everyone just a fair shot, and whoever wants to stay in this unbalanced mess is free to do so, if every casual player leaves for solo sloop lobbies wouldn't that mean you've got a better chance of encountering someone equally experienced and confident in their skills?, we see too many sloops on the high seas anyways, so what's the point of resisting like this? when servers get empty there's a merger, and when there's a merger there's a better chance of encountering another galleon and aren't galleon on galleon encounters more exciting anyways? it was the intended and ONLY ship to ever be used, even if every single sloop left the high seas, you're still left with the vanilla experience, more use for scattershot, more opportunities for tucking, more epic battles, so what is the point of trying to shut this conversation down??? this is ridiculous, why not just let people enjoy playing the game in new, better ways, Rare has been saying this since season 7, that's just the next step in progression of content.

And diving for everything but hourglass was a mistake anyways...

Nah they're not. They're not stupid wasting resources and time to appeal to a minority who don't want to adapt. But sure, it's your right to cope and hope. 😅

Yeah, just like they didn't introduce "PvE" servers for casual players 😅 can we stop with the emotes? they're cringe.

@heretic1873

Literally no one but new players go to safer seas, there's nothing to do on SS once you hit legend

I can name you at least 10 people on this forum at least, who have 3+y and non-stop cry about PvE servers, while camping in SS. I won't due to forum rules, but you can find them in 10 minutes 😅

solo sloop lobbies would give everyone just a fair shot, and whoever wants to stay in this unbalanced mess is free to do so, if every casual player leaves for solo sloop lobbies wouldn't that mean you've got a better chance of encountering someone equally experienced and confident in their skills?, we see too many sloops on the high seas anyways, so what's the point of resisting like this?

The counterargument already made by someone before - so then what, Galleon only servers? Brigantine only servers? Cuz if you about to add this, be sure as hell ppl will ask for the rest.

When does it stop? That's right - when the community gets absolutely scattered across 3 different ship servers + SS, and the sandbox becomes so boringly homogenized.

"Yoooo, sword + pistol only server please! It's unfair that some people are better at DG than me. If I decided to play sword + pistol, they should use them too 😭"

Again, what's easier and more logical - you finding one more person to play with / accepting the game as it is, or go down the rabbit whole of dividing the community even further cuz "it's unfair" that you decided to get sunk as a solo? Please. 😂

Yeah, just like they didn't introduce "PvE" servers for casual players 😅

Nope, SS is not a PvE server. Easy proof of that is 125235 locked topics for ppl whining about restrictions and PvE server requests hahah. Yet those ppl still can't accept the reality they're not getting them.

Just the same way some Solo Sloopers can't accept this reality. 😁

@r3vanns

I can name you at least 10 people on this forum at least, who have 3+y and non-stop cry about PvE servers, while camping in SS. I won't due to forum rules, but you can find them in 10 minutes

Wow, you can name 10 players in 10 minutes, your parents must be very proud of you, champ.

"Yoooo, sword + pistol only server please! It's unfair that some people are better at DG than me. If I decided to play sword + pistol, they should use them too 😭"

At no point does this post ever mention DG to be unfair, but sure, whatever makes you happy i guess, but most people just quit the conversation when they run out of arguments.

The counterargument already made by someone before - so then what, Galleon only servers? Brigantine only servers? Cuz if you about to add this, be sure as hell ppl will ask for the rest.

Again, the slippery slope argument, no, brigs and galleons are balanced against one another, brig is much faster and much more steerable, while the galleon has more cannons and more people.
i don't want to relitigate the previous answers again, but the major problem with solo slooping is that you only have one set of arms while on an experienced brig, there's one player at the helm, one at the cannons, and one boarding, and if we want to be fair, we can't assume any of them have any less experience, so in certain scenarios (more often than not) the brig will win.