Make sword a tool bind not weapon?

Why not make the pistol a tool instead? So you always have a pistol to shoot along with your DG?

@goldenkeeper943

That's just the downside for people who use double gun, just like people who use a sword can't use two guns. No need to inconvenience people who equip a sword.

I believe sword would have to be treated similar to all of the other tools and either have to be accessed through the item radial or have it's own separate hot key (like throwables)

Effectively, this would put controller players at a disadvantage again (after them already sorting out the issue with the keybinds for secondary interact and weapon swap).

Keyboard and mouse players could already select/switch weapons quickly because they were on 1 and 2 (and mouse wheel), but controller players have always had just the one button for two weapons. It's not ideal but it works because there are only the two weapons to switch between.

If you add the sword to an already crowded radial, then it would have to be on a cardinal direction to make it viable to select quickly. Those are currently food, planks, bucket, and shovel.

Unless they add more ways to bind (like shift-modifiers, which I have suggested multiple times), this is just a pain for controller players.

But the core issue here is balance. While, as players, we see it as being an "ideal" to be able to have every single weapon at hand, that's from a one-sided perspective and it's not looking holistically at what it means for the game. Every weapon has its pros and cons, that's by design.

WHAT?????????????????? NO, NOT AT ALL, WE ARE NOT SUPPORTING THE SWORD LORD'S REGIME CHANGE!!!!!11!!!1!1!

this is way too overpowered, the sword is already the best weapon in the game, it should be nerfed even. It has been a weapon for the entire lifecycle of the game, and has proven it's a more than effective weapon than others, so it should stay as such.

@goldenkeeper943

I mean, at that point why stop there? Why not have all the weapons at your disposal all the time, so no matter where you are or what you're doing you'll be prepared?

The answer was given by @EligibleEel6171 when they said you have to make choices with what you want to go with. Everything has its pros and cons. For example the grapple gun will give you an easy board, but at the cost of a weapon slot. You need to make the choice, instead of asking Rare to just give you all the weapons for when you need them.

"If everyone is super... than no one will be"

-Syndrome from The Incredibles

I say give everyone a blade. applying the same logic as everyone getting faster weapon speeds, it will effect everyone equally, and stay balanced.

@xdreegan

When was the last time you were beaten in a fight by a fishing rod or a banjo?

Regardless of what's on the radial, balance is the key issue here. It's why shooters have loadouts and you're limited on what you can take into a fight.

@xdreegan said in Make sword a tool bind not weapon?:

@europa4033 said in Make sword a tool bind not weapon?:

@goldenkeeper943

I mean, at that point why stop there? Why not have all the weapons at your disposal all the time, so no matter where you are or what you're doing you'll be prepared?

The answer was given by @EligibleEel6171 when they said you have to make choices with what you want to go with. Everything has its pros and cons. For example the grapple gun will give you an easy board, but at the cost of a weapon slot. You need to make the choice, instead of asking Rare to just give you all the weapons for when you need them.

Well, why not though? Why is this a choice, but you have no choice but to be bloated with instruments even if you never play them? Or a fishing pole if you never fish? Those are all potential slots players would find useful if they had a choice in what to put there.

There's no "balancing" that comes into play surrounding instruments or fishing, unlike weapons, where each has its pros and cons. That's not by mistake, but to help keep the game balanced. Would it be awesome if I could stay on the cannon and simply have the entire supply of my cannonball barrel at my disposal without stopping to reload after shooting 10? Heck yeah it would. But how balanced would that be, to be able to fire non-stop? We had a player that tried boarding us with a grapple gun, but made the choice of a sword as his second weapon. He could do nothing but hang from our ladder as we shot him off. Combining the grapple and sword wasn't the best choice for his situation, and he had to deal with the consequences of that. Had he had access to everything, his poor choice wouldn't have mattered. As it currently stands now, it most certainly does.

It used to be that if I made a bad weapon choice, I could use my opponent's armory to switch, but that's since been removed. You're now stuck with what you choose when you board a ship. Giving everyone a free pass at every weapon eliminates the necessity of selecting wisely, and accountability.

@xdreegan said in Make sword a tool bind not weapon?:

@realstyli said in Make sword a tool bind not weapon?:

@xdreegan

When was the last time you were beaten in a fight by a fishing rod or a banjo?

Regardless of what's on the radial, balance is the key issue here. It's why shooters have loadouts and you're limited on what you can take into a fight.

Most shooters have a universal melee that you can never unequip. If Sea of Thieves wants to be like most shooters, why deviate from this staple? By that logic the game's been inherently unbalanced since launch.

This is true, however I honestly don't think Sea of Thieves "wants" to be like most shooters, in that this game is in a unique class of it's own. Is it a shooting game or a naval combat game? Yes and no to both.

@xdreegan said in Make sword a tool bind not weapon?:

@europa4033 said in Make sword a tool bind not weapon?:

This is true, however I honestly don't think Sea of Thieves "wants" to be like most shooters, in that this game is in a unique class of it's own. Is it a shooting game or a naval combat game? Yes and no to both.

Do you think the lack of a universal melee option improves the game? Or provide it with a uniqueness that out-weighs the decision?

Genuinely asking. From my perspective, it just doesn't make all that much sense why a pirate would choose not to carry a blade of some kind at all.

As an aside, consider the lore ramifications. Arthur Pendragon as a sword. That means he only has one other slot for weapons. It's no wonder why he's in the Sea of the Dead forever. He chose poorly.

LOL indeed he did (sorry Pendragon!). I've played other games that have given you ways of fighting back without an actual weapon, one game actually gave you throwing knives to use as a level 1 ability. It's a unique decision the developers made where if you're out of bullets and don't have throwables, there's no way for you to kill the skeleton chasing you. Whether this is positive or negative depends on the situation. If I'm using a sword and my double-gun opponent has run out of bullets on this island, I have the advantage.

In that other game, using throwing knives as a level 1 didn't do enough damage to be a viable choice against other players (yet it was fine for pve). I've never played Rust, but I've seen videos of other players using a rock to hit other players over and over a dozen times. If everyone in this game was able to use a sword, it would need to cause so little damage (similar to the rock) in order not to upset the balance, it wouldn't be viable in PvP. Every weapon in this game causes considerable damage and can be your primary weapon, unlike the rock. Your weapon loadout matters. It can mean success, or heading back to your ship via the ferry to change it.

As for swords being treated as tools (rather than as weapon slots), I’m against that. However, throwing knives – I’d be all for those. – I’m actually surprised they haven’t thought of it, as it seems logical to me.