Complaints about Safer Seas/Safer Seas Fleets...

  • Regarding the original message, I would advise the author to wait for more specific information about what Safers Seas Fleet will actually be.
    Because I would be very surprised if SSF became a kind of alliance server (as we can see at present), there will obviously be restrictions to prevent the health of the HS from taking a hit.
    Regarding the part of the message about the release of SS, two things must also be understood:

    • This is something that has been requested since the game's release because, whatever anyone says, starting this game is very complicated. Not to mention toxicity (which plays a role, of course).
    • The fact that there is progression in SS is simply NORMAL in reality, because any game (even an extended tutorial +++) must give players a sense of progression, however small.
  • @zeyrniyx

    I'll remain polite, but I wonder who the ‘pretentious kid’ is in this story.

    • You're asking me if NPCs yell when they're robbed? That's the only answer you can give me? Well, that shows your level... What I said here is a fact.

    I've given more than enough answers in this thread alone, along with tens of other players. What you said here is not a fact, but an emotionally driven rant.

    That shows your level 🥱

    • The fact is stated by me in the comment and by hundreds of other opinions all over the internet. Obviously you don't like it, but you don't have the absolute truth, so you'll have to accept that others don't share your opinion. And yes, there are fewer players, just look at the Steam stats (the only reliable source, but it gives an idea).

    Again, that's not a fact. It's a number of people with inflated ego labeling everyone who sinks them as toxic, while they're being toxic themselves for getting sunk in a cartoon pirate game.

    It's sad - and that's an actual fact 😂

    • Toxicity on SoT is very real. I have over 10,000 hours on this game, so I know what I'm talking about. What's more, yes, there is toxicity even among PvE players, but the vast majority comes from PvP players who denigrate and insult others (as you just did, by the way).

    "Trust me, I'm an expert". Your 10k hours doesn't warrant any truth. It just means you spent 10k hours.

    Same as a person who also does PvP in sandbox, for 10k hours, and ran into countless toxic PvE fanatics

    You proved nothing.

    • Sea of Thieves was NEVER designed to be competitive, and you see, you're talking without even knowing the nature of the game. PvP in Sea of Thieves is mainly there to create a sense of gentle paranoia (a term used by the developers), but it was never intended to be competitive.

    I better understand the nature of the game than you are, obviously. Only 1 of us here is crying about an aspect of this game.

    I never complained about PvE content, or people running away if I approach them. Cuz that's all part of the sandbox. They have rights to run away or not engage/scuttle.

    I also never mentioned competitiveness in my messages to you. You're arguing with a wall, because I never brought it up. I brought up the term "contest", which is something different.

    And newsflash, game was DESIGNED to be like that. Events are DESIGNED to trigger player encounters, and to be contested. Which directly relates to PvP.

    So tell me again, which one of us doesn't know what they're talking about, and doesn't understand the nature of this game? 😭 Take your time, it will come to you hopefully.

    • Yes, the subject is very much present, as you demonstrate in your message. Whether you like it or not, there has never been an official way to play SoT, given that, once again, it is an adventure game where each player can feel like a pirate, visit a vast world, go on adventures, accumulate riches, engage in PvP, cause trouble, sin, or just sail around.

    And, again? What are you trying to prove with this? In what context lol? Make it make sense. Nobody argued that

    • And finally, you talk about pretentious kids (which makes you wonder who the pretentious one is in this story), because we're only talking about cosmetics here. At some point, you have to calm down for five minutes.

    Yea, cosmetics as rewards for playing the game as it is, with all the risk involved.

    There's nothing more pretentious than asking for the same treatment as everyone else, with 0 effort and just for participation.

    Imagine if athletes would join a marathon just for recreation reason, half way stop and get a cab to drive them to the end, and then ask for a medal.

    It's pathetic lol. And that's what a lot of these PvE SS crybabies expect to gain here.


    So yea, take your time to process this and use your own advice - calm down, take a deep breath, and accept that majority of PvE oriented players didn't think through before purchasing this game. 😅

  • @r3vanns a dit dans Complaints about Safer Seas/Safer Seas Fleets... :

    @zeyrniyx

    I'll remain polite, but I wonder who the ‘pretentious kid’ is in this story.

    • You're asking me if NPCs yell when they're robbed? That's the only answer you can give me? Well, that shows your level... What I said here is a fact.

    I've given more than enough answers in this thread alone, along with tens of other players. What you said here is not a fact, but an emotionally driven rant.

    That shows your level 🥱

    • The fact is stated by me in the comment and by hundreds of other opinions all over the internet. Obviously you don't like it, but you don't have the absolute truth, so you'll have to accept that others don't share your opinion. And yes, there are fewer players, just look at the Steam stats (the only reliable source, but it gives an idea).

    Again, that's not a fact. It's a number of people with inflated ego labeling everyone who sinks them as toxic, while they're being toxic themselves for getting sunk in a cartoon pirate game.

    It's sad - and that's an actual fact 😂

    • Toxicity on SoT is very real. I have over 10,000 hours on this game, so I know what I'm talking about. What's more, yes, there is toxicity even among PvE players, but the vast majority comes from PvP players who denigrate and insult others (as you just did, by the way).

    "Trust me, I'm an expert". Your 10k hours doesn't warrant any truth. It just means you spent 10k hours.

    Same as a person who also does PvP in sandbox, for 10k hours, and ran into countless toxic PvE fanatics

    You proved nothing.

    • Sea of Thieves was NEVER designed to be competitive, and you see, you're talking without even knowing the nature of the game. PvP in Sea of Thieves is mainly there to create a sense of gentle paranoia (a term used by the developers), but it was never intended to be competitive.

    I better understand the nature of the game than you are, obviously. Only 1 of us here is crying about an aspect of this game.

    I never complained about PvE content, or people running away if I approach them. Cuz that's all part of the sandbox. They have rights to run away or not engage/scuttle.

    I also never mentioned competitiveness in my messages to you. You're arguing with a wall, because I never brought it up. I brought up the term "contest", which is something different.

    And newsflash, game was DESIGNED to be like that. Events are DESIGNED to trigger player encounters, and to be contested. Which directly relates to PvP.

    So tell me again, which one of us doesn't know what they're talking about, and doesn't understand the nature of this game? 😭 Take your time, it will come to you hopefully.

    • Yes, the subject is very much present, as you demonstrate in your message. Whether you like it or not, there has never been an official way to play SoT, given that, once again, it is an adventure game where each player can feel like a pirate, visit a vast world, go on adventures, accumulate riches, engage in PvP, cause trouble, sin, or just sail around.

    And, again? What are you trying to prove with this? In what context lol? Make it make sense. Nobody argued that

    • And finally, you talk about pretentious kids (which makes you wonder who the pretentious one is in this story), because we're only talking about cosmetics here. At some point, you have to calm down for five minutes.

    Yea, cosmetics as rewards for playing the game as it is, with all the risk involved.

    There's nothing more pretentious than asking for the same treatment as everyone else, with 0 effort and just for participation.

    Imagine if athletes would join a marathon just for recreation reason, half way stop and get a cab to drive them to the end, and then ask for a medal.

    It's pathetic lol. And that's what a lot of these PvE SS crybabies expect to gain here.


    So yea, take your time to process this and your own advice, calm down, take a deep breath, and accept that majority of PvE oriented players didn't think through before purchasing this game. 😅

    Do you understand the nature of the game better now? Oh, excuse me, sir, ahahhaha. You use clichés, you denigrate players who disagree with you, with the very idea of the developers. You make things up to indulge in your own ideas, and then you come and lecture me? Seriously?
    Let me tell you something:

    • 1 You don't understand the nature of the game
    • 2 I have ABSOLUTELY nothing to prove (who do you think you are, seriously???).
      And 3, if I say I have 10k hours, it's simply to emphasise that I know the game, I know the community very well, whether it's PvE, PvP or PvPvE, because I've spent a lot of time on this game (and certainly not in Safers Seas).
      So swallow your hatred and learn that no, we don't have to agree with you, especially when you're talking nonsense.
      On that note, have a nice day, I'm ending this debate here, I don't have any more time to waste on you.
  • @zeyrniyx

    Do you understand the nature of the game better now? Oh, excuse me, sir, ahahhaha. You use clichés, you denigrate players who disagree with you, with the very idea of the developers.

    Nah, I denigrate only entitled ego-inflated brats, who purchased the wrong game and demand the same treatment as everyone else who plays this game as intended 😄

    You make things up to indulge in your own ideas, and then you come and lecture me? Seriously?

    "Making things up" is really rich coming after all your previous statements, but sure hahah.

    I don't have to make things up to enjoy every aspect of the sandbox.

    But PvE crybabies need to gaslight themselves into thinking everyone is toxic for sinking them. That's gotta be tough 😅

    Let me tell you something:

    • 1 You don't understand the nature of the game

    Def do more than you, but sure.

    • 2 I have ABSOLUTELY nothing to prove (who do you think you are, seriously???).

    You spent last 30min actually trying to prove 🤣 So I'm flattered, thank you!

    And 3, if I say I have 10k hours, it's simply to emphasise that I know the game, I know the community very well, whether it's PvE, PvP or PvPvE, because I've spent a lot of time on this game (and certainly not in Safers Seas).

    You say you have 10k to imply what you're stating warrants some facts. Which it doesn't lol.

    So swallow your hatred

    Hatred? I'm having fun all the time. The same way I'm having fun sinking an entitled PvE crybaby. But sure, I guess... 😅 I don't hate them, on contrary! They're an easy loot. Too emotional to be focused on the fight itself, and to make proper decisions.

    and learn that no, we don't have to agree with you, especially when you're talking nonsense.

    If that's gonna help you sleep better at night, go with it by all means.

    I couldn't care less if you'll agree with me or not. The only thing I actually care about who agrees with the majority of playerbase, myself included- is Rare.

    And Rare said - this is a PvEvP game, events are meant to be contested, people are meant to be sunk, and if they don't - they get better rewards. Which is something people from SS simply do not deserve in the same scale.

    On that note, have a nice day, I'm ending this debate here, I don't have any more time to waste on you.

    Thank you, and have a nice one yoself mate! 😁

  • Maybe play your game to have fun how you want to have fun and stop complaining about how other people choose to play their games to have fun. Safer Seas and the upcoming Safer Fleets are just fine. You can't exploit safer seas. You can only get half way to pirate legend there. On top of that, sell-off in safer seas is more than enough balance, just like no captained ships.

    Just because you want to spawn camp noobs to get your kicks doesn't mean that people that actually play games to have fun should suffer.

  • @w0lf3112
    I am sorry but that is the definition of easy progression. SoT is PvPvE which means that PvP is half the game. You wanting a safe space for only PvE progression goes against everything the game stands for. Also I have been playing this game for years and have over 1800 hours. I can accurately count the times I have been spawncamped in one hand. Even during the gold and glory weekend I stacked FoTD solo without a single ship approaching. If you are constantly finding yourself in PvP scenarios, it is definitely a skill issue and not that the other people are hobos...

  • @gosva5434 the problem is a lot of people like to get angry and say it's a 'PvPvE' game and then foam at the mouth when you start talking about PvE stuff because apparently a game with no progression outside cosmetics needs gatekeepers to say how people should play it and take offense if they want to play differently, the problem is twofold in that:

    1. we have already gotten a pure PvP mode in HG and not only did that incentivize cheaters into the game, but it also allowed for the player base in general to get better, easier and faster in the PVP side of the game than ever before.

    2. those who are largely into the PvP side of things are of no benefit to Rare, you take up server space and bandwith hopping servers or doing HG, you dont buy cosmetics, and often make the PvE people you sink want to just quit the game, further reducing the playerbase/pool of income from emporium purchases

    Pre-Hourglass id of said never to something like safer seas, the skill curve felt more gradual, and you actually had to hunt people down if you wanted to fight them, but now? And in light of all the layoffs and God forbid any future ones at Rare? Just release a full PVE server, emissaries and all, can keep reapers off along with the HG factions just up the dial for safer seas really, but allow the world events and whatnot to be in so people aren't missing out on the experiences and to bring more people in and possibly some who got burned before. And if your upset there's not a lot of easy marks in high seas trying to earn titles and avoiding fights, then your just mad you couldn't force people to play your way who didn't want to. I mean lets face it rentable servers are coming, were not that far off as it is and I'd rather see Rare prosper and get to make SOT2 than die on the hill of PvP being always on

  • @potatosord Time will prevent them, anyone running macros to infinity farm gold didnt want to play in the first place, and nothing will happen when the playerbase decides to paly solo, except we will have more players overall

    You will keep running into the same crews more often if you play high seas, and the same sweaty troll crews will be able to stalk you more easily from server to server. Of all things, allowing safer seas to be the same as high seas but single player makes high seas pointless unless you specifically want to fight people, but most people won't be on high seas, so no one to fight. High seas will be even more dangerous if they decide to allow the lesser skilled players to leave, and that would negatively affect the game even more.

    So get better and beat them or join the PvE'ers, this is very much the 'well there's no one for me to easily beat anymore and that makes me not want to play' argument

  • Please avoid engaging in personal arguments and derailing the topic of the thread. It is fine to debate the content of the post, and the viewpoints therein, but disrespecting any of your fellow pirates personally is against the pirate code, and our forum rules.

    Posts have been removed, any further bickering posts will be removed and if it continues, further action will be taken.

    Thanks.

  • I get what your saying but with such content now that you do not ever have to fight anyone for I feel the game has changed a bit from pvp mainly to at best a 5050 mix. It's hard to say it's just a pvp game when pvp not the majority of the game. Personally I could care less either way. I prefer SS when a new season comes out to avoid all the returning super pirates lol. Private servers should scratch all pve peoples itches if that ever drops.

  • Easy sinks are the best. Safer Seas are meant for newbies to get started in the game, which is wrong approach from the roots in my opinion. So i try to give newplayers full experience on high seas and cook em with all i got if they interfere. Got grade 1 flag? Sink. Got 1 skull on board? Sink. Doing tall tale? Sink. Parked close to me? Sink. Crying for alliance? Sink.

    Threat them same way we were threated as a newbies.
    That made me learn the game, will make them aswell.

    Seas are not safe.

    Those who cant accept games nature, should experience heavy restrictions, what they do.
    There is no reason to worry about fleets, or safer seas in general. Its just for those who want it. And it doesnt hurt anyone. Lots of commendations locked, lots of systems locked. Glitches? Let em glitch whatever they want there, why would it matter to us? Why are You bothered?

  • To me personally I think the safer seas should be made like GTA V for example you have regular online sessions and you have invite only sessions but you could still do business work and rank up fully in a invite only session. Me I play with my wife and kids and love just doing missions. And getting gold but to lose it all to a mlg try hard jumping on my boat like it's a ranked match sucks really bad lol just my opinion.

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