Kick crew members

  • GoldsMen
    Captain
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    @parrotlord6426 said in Kick crew members:

    @goldsmen Well, you claim that you did, but I fail to see that. Go be done if you think you are. I see just random claims without any backup, but with an astonishing ability to ignore all that contradicts you.
    You do see your examples could easyly be adressed by implementing the kick feature properly?

    If you wish for any further debate while asking for proof you should clarify what you want as proof, i am done actually debating because actual genuine situations that have happened dont seem to fit your expectations, so for all who do wish to debate you, it may be good to clarify what you want for proof rather than just vaguely asking for "proof", in order to get provided with what you are asking for.

  • ParrotLord6426
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    @goldsmen Its a forum right? Forum means - Debate, right?
    I wanna debate. You claim a kick feature openens up for abuse, because people might kick other people out of bad intentions. To that I say: There are ways to counter that. Like i posted:

    Captain can kick players within the first 10 mins of joining,
    Captain can kick players who are brigged
    Captain CAN NOT kick players who are in the crew for more then 10 minutes, UNLESS: They are brigged or They show behaviour of sabotage, eg.: Damaging the ship multiple times, hurting teammates multiple times, using powder keg on own ship

    I think this easy solution would fix most of the abuse. Dont you think so? I want to be contradicted, if you can.
    But nor you, neither @Tesiccl have ever answered to that. Instead both of you just keep on repeating the "there is abuse" claim to the "kick" feature solution, without any backup. So, Taking my points into consideration, I want you to state actual arguments, actual points that strenghen your claim and/or contradict mine.

    You just dont want a kick feature, is that it? No matter how it is implemented, you just dont like the idea at its core. I can understand that. But still, I have yet to read a better solution

  • Foambreaker
    Sailor

    @parrotlord6426 How many people have to tell you it is a terrible idea?

  • ParrotLord6426
    Master
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    @foambreaker sagte in Kick crew members:

    @parrotlord6426 How many people have to tell you it is a terrible idea?

    Mind elaborating why it is a bad idea? Its not imo. Its a very good idea. And I have not read a single argument that speaks against it and holds up in a debate. Not from you either lol.
    All you can do is "no", without any basis. But dont worry, you are in good company here in SoT, as the mayority of active forum users are forever No guys. apparently

  • sSs Zan
    Ship Mate

    @typicalink500 said in Kick crew members:

    For the love of God, please give captains the option to kick their crew members. Today, an idiot joined my open crew, started to drop all my loot on the sea, consumed all supplies, killed me with blunderbombs and later sank my ship with the cannon rowboat after i had given up resisting. This is just one possibility, the other being toxic crew members or experienced PvP players who will start every fight they see. It's unbeliavable how there is no option to kick players off of your crew. Maybe there wasn't one because before captaincy all members were equal, but that has changed now. I understand it could be used for trolling, so ideally there should be a prompt asking "why are you kicking this player" before kicking and an option for kicked players to report the captain for trolling them with it. Talk about reporting, there should be more than just "bad name" reporting options in the settings menu, but that's something for another post

    It's called griefing...record the issue, the name of the player who's intentionally disrupting the game and submit it to Rare. They should then ban the player.

  • Foambreaker
    Sailor

    @scheneighnay said in Kick crew members:

    @foambreaker said in Kick crew members:

    • Sail a few hours
    • Collect tons of loot
    • Kick the crew
    • Invite friends
    • Sell loot

    -1

    /thread
    /topic

    Less likely of a situation than getting an open crew full of trolls that don't let you play to begin with

    Having had this happen to me in other games I would disagree. Being kicked at the "final boss" is commonplace.

    But you have found the root problem, there is no viable grouping mechanism.

    Kicking people is just trying to fix the symptom, not the cause and it brings with it the potential for abuse.

  • RiptideAtlantic
    Marauder
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    imo, the reason the captain should be able to have the kicking powers over other crewmates is not bc they spent 100k to get the ship, its bc they are the ones who have to pay the money to repair the ship if it breaks to griefing (like cannon rowboats or island cannons). even if you leave, you still have to pay to fix it next session.

  • Foambreaker
    Sailor

    @parrotlord6426 said in Kick crew members:

    @foambreaker sagte in Kick crew members:

    @parrotlord6426 How many people have to tell you it is a terrible idea?

    Mind elaborating why it is a bad idea? ...

    No, it's my opinion, don't like it, so what.

  • ParrotLord6426
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    @foambreaker Well, its a forum, forum means debate. Would certainly help your claim if you did ;)

  • Foambreaker
    Sailor

    @parrotlord6426 said in Kick crew members:

    @foambreaker Well, its a forum, forum means debate. Would certainly help your claim if you did ;)

    My opinion is mine, each customer gets one and no one has to justify theirs, especially not to some other customer.

    It's a bad idea.

  • ParrotLord6426
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    @foambreaker I dont mind your opinion. Its nothing more after all, sadly. i would have liked actual arguments for that standpoint.
    Thats what a forum is for btw., we are not customers here, but individuals speculating about what would be beneficial for the game. but nm, you do yours man

  • TypicalInk500
    Seafarer

    It's called griefing...record the issue, the name of the player who's intentionally disrupting the game and submit it to Rare. They should then ban the player.

    I did and they said they would investigate it, but we're not talking about punishing the griefer, we're talking about not giving them the option to grief in the first place

  • ParrotLord6426
    Master
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    @typicalink500 @sSs-Zan I wanna add to that: While the report feature is a thing that exists, it does not help in the situation itself. You can report (which is hardly convenient to do, but thats another topic), but that does still leave you with the frustration of having to surrender your session, with all the loot, to a troll.
    I guess what I want to say: The Report feature alone is not suited to handle the job.

  • TypicalInk500
    Seafarer

    Having had this happen to me in other games I would disagree. Being kicked at the "final boss" is commonplace.

    But you have found the root problem, there is no viable grouping mechanism.

    Kicking people is just trying to fix the symptom, not the cause and it brings with it the potential for abuse.

    Totally agree, but there's not really an easy way to fix the cause except to add very accurate "griefer detectors" which is probably something very hard to do (imagine you board an enemy ship with your friend, throw a bomb at them that accidentally hits him, and you get kicked)

    Update: i just thought of new ideas to fix the cause: don't allow players to eat food at max health, have an option for captains that doesn't allow specific crewmates to grab loot, disable team damage for bombs, do something that detects if players are wasting cannon ammo on purpose, and make a votekick pop-up that will appear if the game detects that a certain crewmate is damaging the ship on purpose. Obviously these aren't simple, but it's something.

  • Foambreaker
    Sailor

    @parrotlord6426 said in Kick crew members:

    @foambreaker I dont mind your opinion. Its nothing more after all, sadly. i would have liked actual arguments for that standpoint.
    Thats what a forum is for btw., we are not customers here, but individuals speculating about what would be beneficial for the game. but nm, you do yours man

    Forums are not exclusively for debate. In fact posting many times and refusing to let others have their opinion is rude IMHO.

  • Foambreaker
    Sailor

    @typicalink500 said in Kick crew members:

    It's called griefing...record the issue, the name of the player who's intentionally disrupting the game and submit it to Rare. They should then ban the player.

    I did and they said they would investigate it, but we're not talking about punishing the griefer, we're talking about not giving them the option to grief in the first place

    How would you know they were going to grief until they actually do it? Both reporting and kicking area form of punishment. The difference is with a report the person gets to defend themseleves to a 3rd, uninvolved party, with kick they may not even know why.

    Players judging players is a bad thing.

  • TypicalInk500
    Seafarer

    How would you know they were going to grief until they actually do it? Both reporting and kicking area form of punishment. The difference is with a report the person gets to defend themseleves to a 3rd, uninvolved party, with kick they may not even know why.

    Players judging players is a bad thing.

    If they grief for a couple seconds it's enough time to notice it, do [insert functional anti-grief suggestion] and recover from any damage... unless they blow up an athena keg on you but that's so fast that it will never be fixed anyway

  • RiptideAtlantic
    Marauder
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    @foambreaker said in Kick crew members:

    @parrotlord6426 said in Kick crew members:

    @foambreaker I dont mind your opinion. Its nothing more after all, sadly. i would have liked actual arguments for that standpoint.
    Thats what a forum is for btw., we are not customers here, but individuals speculating about what would be beneficial for the game. but nm, you do yours man

    Forums are not exclusively for debate. In fact posting many times and refusing to let others have their opinion is rude IMHO.

    we are letting you have your opinion. we are just curious as to why you think kicking is a bad idea. i respect that u got ur own opinion but if we want the game to improve we have to talk about why or why not it is bad, otherwise we just get stuck in a loop of one person saying yes and the other saying no.

  • PithyRumble
    Rogue
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    I play solo so I don't care.

    However. If we're playing together and I'm captain and a Shrouded Ghost shows up, you're getting kicked so I can add my kid.

    Blah blah blah "sPeCiFiC sItUaTiOnS"... but tell me you wouldn't be a teensy bit angry about it.

  • ParrotLord6426
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    @foambreaker sagte in Kick crew members:

    @parrotlord6426 How many people have to tell you it is a terrible idea?

    In fact posting many times and refusing to let others have their opinion is rude IMHO.

    In fact, devaluating other peoples opinions, just because you dont like it, is whats really rude.

    Additionally, did I devaluate/refuse to let you have YOUR opinion? No, quite the opposite: I even asked for you to elaborate, because I was hoping for some deeper thoughts than "just because".
    .

    @riptide3683 sagte in Kick crew members:

    We letting you have your opinion. we are just curious as to why you think kicking is a bad idea. i respect that u got ur own opinion but if we want the game to improve we have to talk about why or why not it is bad, otherwise we just get stuck in a loop of one person saying yes and the other saying no.

    Thats exactly my line of thought too.
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    @pithyrumble sagte in Kick crew members:

    I play solo so I don't care.

    However. If we're playing together and I'm captain and a Shrouded Ghost shows up, you're getting kicked so I can add my kid.

    Blah blah blah "sPeCiFiC sItUaTiOnS"... but tell me you wouldn't be a teensy bit angry about it.

    That is the one argument everyone has against the Kick feature, but a kick feature could very easily be implemented so this kind of abuse is not possible, like I stated alrdy multiple times

  • SkullBat1400376
    Castaway

    I keep having a crew member keep taking off with my captained ship.

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