Time-Limited/Exclusive Content is destroying my love for Sea of Thieves. Here are my thoughts.

Let me ask you.
About those time limited items. Would you want everyone to have them and be a lot of look alikes or be one of the lucky few to own one and be a "Legend" because you did something not many could.

I Much prefer the rare items that come and go. You miss it, OH WELL.
And with the whole ancient coins...you can find rare coin giving skeletons...and save yourself a few $$
or just ignore it as you did.

Seems to be a little problem with collectors. That is what makes things rare....they will in time come back. If everyone had it, they wouldnt be worth collecting.

@burnbacon said in Time-Limited/Exclusive Content is destroying my love for Sea of Thieves. Here are my thoughts.:

Let me ask you.
About those time limited items. Would you want everyone to have them and be a lot of look alikes or be one of the lucky few to own one and be a "Legend" because you did something not many could.

I Much prefer the rare items that come and go. You miss it, OH WELL.
And with the whole ancient coins...you can find rare coin giving skeletons...and save yourself a few $$
or just ignore it as you did.

Seems to be a little problem with collectors. That is what makes things rare....they will in time come back. If everyone had it, they wouldnt be worth collecting.

I wasn't saying that the content shouldn't allow for individuality. Just LEAVE IT IN THE GAME! Maybe, oh, I don't know, MAKE it HARDER TO GET instead of axing it altogether! That would be the perfect solution!
If you prefer it this way, then that's your preference, but for people who cannot afford Triple A games but every once in a blue moon, or have busy schedules, it is very disheartening to see that I missed something simply because I didn't play one month... or even ONE DAY???
Nobody ignored anything... more people making assumptions instead of presenting logical arguments and simply asking a question. I've played for over half a year and killed three Ancient Skeletons. Which dropped the lowest level stash each time. Please think next time you post.
Something can be rare and difficult to acquire and not be locked behind a time-wall or a pay wall. Raise the prerequisites. If you missed out the month it came out, just make it harder to get. Removing it isn't the answer. Moving on.

@mr-dragon-raaar

I do. This is a public forum for these kinds of debates. How am I acting entitled? Take offense?

You seem to be mad that I am making a stand for players everywhere by raising awareness on the issue...

Does everyone on this forum get this butt-hurt when new players request that they want to see old content brought back? It seems to be a recurring theme in this thread...

Just an FYI, though, (not that it matters in the slightest) I have completed every single time-limited event that has occurred and gotten every reward that was possible since the start of my time on the Sea of Thieves. I can accomplish these silly money-grubbing goals. It's the concept that needs to die and never should have happened in the first place.

I don't deserve something I paid full price for because I didn't quite play every month of every day? So the developers want me to make Sea of Thieves my exclusive video game? How would I play Reach? Or Fortnite? (That game is PLAGUED by the same problems.) Yet, it would be okay if I spend $950 on eBay just so I could have Founder's content like you.

Oh man. It's mind-boggling! I'd love to meet the person who made this development decision!

Please, just stop.

@kingslayer-kurt

You obviously came here just to mess another person who feels cheated out of content that they rightfully be able to get.

How rightfully? See, I have most, if not all, of those cosmetics, but I spent the time and effort to get them. You want to talk about rightfully? The only people who are entitled to them are the people that actually put in the time and effort to get them. You see, this was our reward for sticking with the game when it was at its worst. You were late to the party, so you missed the giant rocky start this game had. Game had fraction of the content, bug riddled, quite frankly a shallow game. We stuck through it, those cosmetics were our rewards.

You didn't put in the effort to get them. You weren't there for the the events, tough luck. No participation, no reward. It is truly that simple.

@nabberwar Again, missing the point. Please read the thread. Just because I was not there the time they came out does not mean that I and every other player who purchased the game at it's retail price do not deserve them. Everyone deserves everything equally.

Everyone who buys the game should have access to the content they spent hard-earned money on. That was the standard for a long time and whoever started the trend was nothing but hungry for increased revenue.

@nabberwar said in Time-Limited/Exclusive Content is destroying my love for Sea of Thieves. Here are my thoughts.:

You didn't put in the effort to get them. You weren't there for the the events, tough luck. No participation, no reward. It is truly that simple.

If they were still in the game, I would gladly slog through the challenges to acquire them, even if they were 10x harder. BUT. THEY. ARE. NOT. And that's the problem.

In fact, if they do come back, I hope they would be harder to get. I would prefer it that way. Missed doing 160 gifts worth of voyages for the Festival of Giving update? Now you have to do 320. Easy fix.

That way, the people who played when it was first released still have their silly stories to tell. Maybe just make a note in the Shipwright Chest - "Acquired during X - when it first came out!" Or something along those lines. Think about it hard enough and you can figure it out.

That way when players are looking at your customization, they can see that you were indeed present for those events, and you can still flex... which you should be able to! JUST DON'T CUT THE CONTENT/MAKE ME HAVE TO SPEND MONEY ON A CONTROLLER THAT IS ULTRA RARE JUST TO GET IT!

@bugaboo-bill I appreciate your positive response. But I will not stop bringing the issue to light. Because if you love the game, you want to experience and see every part of it. That's why I am posting what I am posting. There is NOTHING wrong with wanting something somebody else has... ISN'T THIS A GAME ABOUT PIRACY, ANYWAY? Maybe I should just mod all the content in. HA.

@mr-dragon-raaar Logical arguments labeled as "whining." Moving on. Thank the seas other people are replying.

@xultanis-dragon said in Time-Limited/Exclusive Content is destroying my love for Sea of Thieves. Here are my thoughts.:

However I will chastise you about what you are saying about ancient coins. You have to realize that companies like Rare need a source of income. Eventually they will run out of money they gold from the sales of the game and then what happens to the servers? What happens to the developers? What happens to the future of the game?

A huge misconception is that any micro-transaction is bad. This is in part thanks to EA. However, while EA does it maliciously, other companies do it out of necessity.

Rare needs revenue to keep the servers up, they need revenue to pay their employees.

The difference between multiplayer and single player is that most development on single player games dies out after a few dlc's. Which means development has stopped and the company is working on the next game to generate profit.

Multiplayer however is a constant production issue. It will start to drain revenue so they need a way to generate money to continue paying for the overall livelyhood of the game.

So next time you start hating on the game for micro-transaction, think to yourself, "How is this game going to survive without it?"

They need to put something that people are WILLING to buy so that people buy it. If you want pets, then save up for pets.

You make a solid point, and make me rethink how I feel about the Pirate Emporium, which I have indeed purchased things from. I suppose you are correct in that statement, and it is very well thought out. Thank you.

While I still think that thought-out, planned, and developed downloadable content should reign supreme to micro-transactions, and that will never change, I can understand a game needing a steady stream of income to keep it afloat... but that begs the question... why wasn't the game designed with the love and content it has now in the first place? Why was it released so lackluster, and then later riddled with all this exclusive content to make up for it?

Why not shoot for the stars like other games have (and succeeded at) so that you don't need these horrible and sensitive incentives to keep people coming back? Sea of Thieves had more then enough potential to become such a game. I know little of game design so maybe I'm speaking out of turn. But the way this game drew me in, it never needed these time-limited events or super-rare stuff. Nowadays, it's extremely rare that video games enthrall me the way Sea of Thieves has. I haven't felt this way about a game in a long time and that's why I feel like these problems need to be remedied, to make the game what it deserves to be.

@archaell But the problem lies in the fact that it is altered content. I want the way it was originally designed. This just creates more problems.

@xultanis-dragon said in Time-Limited/Exclusive Content is destroying my love for Sea of Thieves. Here are my thoughts.:

@mr-dragon-raaar

No lie, I'm with him on this one. At least with the time limited stuff and the exclusive cosmetic stuff. Never liked those. Never liked daily's, Weekly's, 1 time events, etc, etc. From day one I never liked those, yet they are everywhere. They didn't used to be in this game as much either. To the point it was somewhat negligible. Not anymore.

I'm going to say this in hopes some players actually notice a few things.

How many cosmetics are actually OUT, that are not time limited?

I've just recently looked through the not so massive collection of cosmetics I have in a cosmetic game and its not that much. Take away every single time limited cosmetic since the Hungering Deep or cursed thrones (can't remember which one is first) and you basically have nothing for the basic player base. All stuff that players would be interested in earning, locked away.

The issue with time limited stuff is that its a malicious type of mechanic.

It is a cheap way to keep players interested in the game and actually plays against a known human psychological condition. Its a trigger to a basic human nature. I keep forgetting to look up what it is but they've done studies on it and video games are praying on it.

THANK YOU FOR SAYING WHAT NEEDS TO BE SAID! DEVELOPERS, OF SEA OF THIEVES, OR ANY GAME, TAKE NOTE OF WHAT HAS BEEN SAID ABOVE!

The amount of delusion and entitlement that comes through in OP's post's is astounding. Does anyone really believe they can have a rational conversation here with them at this point? All logic and reason are being thrown out the window by them. No amount of different correct explanations will get through here and make the person see the reason things are the way they are.

You can't make them understand one of the features of the cosmetic system is to make the new pirates wish they were here for events they missed and the veterans have something to symbolize that that were here, and to get everyone to not want to miss future events.

The OP haven't made a stand or raised any awareness to any issues, sadly. Just being stubborn and using false logic to fool themselves into entitlement thinking. Just a player that wasn't here or didn't complete something and wants to devalue the rewards for the people that were here and do have something they can't get now because participation trophies must have been a thing for them.

The envy system is working as intended, I say.

@gutterangel said in Time-Limited/Exclusive Content is destroying my love for Sea of Thieves. Here are my thoughts.:

You can't make them understand one of the features of the cosmetic system is to make the new pirates wish they were here for events they missed and the veterans have something to symbolize that that were here, and to get everyone to not want to miss future events.

While that symbolism is all well and good, if YOU think a system that preys on the psychological nature of the addictions people face when playing video games is good, then you will NEVER understand why I am saying what I am saying.

A game should have everything thing in it from the start, and if you want more content, the content should be released the right way. Not in form of stuff that is a envious reminder that you didn't start playing from A-Z. I won't bash the Emporium anymore because it's not the main problem, but it's still part of the problem.

You're telling me that one of the seven deadly sins is a good foundation for a game mechanic designed to bring players back? 10/10 times that just makes players feel bad about something they can't get. I paid $60 to get a game only to realize, no matter how much I adore it, there is going to be something I cannot get, simply because I wasn't aware of the game at the time.

Someone posted just above you that agrees with me, and sees the bigger picture. You can say whatever you want, and flame me however you want. Put any label on me however you want. It does not change the fact that Time-Limited Events and Exclusive Content is the bane of the video game industry and anyone who sinks their hard earned money into a game should be able to access that content, no matter when they find the time to play.

Period.

@bugaboo-bill said in Time-Limited/Exclusive Content is destroying my love for Sea of Thieves. Here are my thoughts.:

@kingslayer-kurt

@xultanis-dragon is right here, i also dislike dailies and such, but i won't let this spoil me the game, especially if i like or even love a game for what it is, how it plays, how it is designed (apart from cosmetics and these exclusive event cosmetics)
Until i was able to partake in every event and i could have buyed all exclusives ingame, yet i dont have overachiever sails and much more i just didn't buy when i could.
It's true, that it is annoying to some degree, but i very much like the horizontal progression design and love the gameloop and how you can immerse and do this or that in Sea of Thieves.
That is what count to me very much more and i know that i will miss some events this year because of vacation and festivals and my beloved piratess :-)

To make sure: I grant you to have all i have and wouldnt stop you to. get it if possible.

Good winds to you mate
~Bill

And you are right. While annoying, it will never stop me from playing. It is my LOVE of the game that spurs me on to post on this forum, not the opposite, as many of these people think.

@kingslayer-kurt did you do any research about the sea of thieves before purchasing? It is a Game as a Service. It is modeled to be an ever changing story. This means things will come and go as the world evolves.

@xultanis-dragon said in Time-Limited/Exclusive Content is destroying my love for Sea of Thieves. Here are my thoughts.:

@gutterangel said in Time-Limited/Exclusive Content is destroying my love for Sea of Thieves. Here are my thoughts.:
You have to realize that a lot of those cosmetics are never seen after being earned. Never.

The perfect example of the phenomenon you are all discussing is the child and a forgotten toy.

A child has a toy he doesn't play with or like even. Throws it to the side to play with a different toy. However, when he sees another child playing with the toy he threw away he gets angry. Now HE wants to play with that toy.

This is the general sense of the issue. I haven't seen the founder sails after 3 to 4 months of release of the game and we are almost at 2 years.

I have never seen the golden banana sails and after 1 week of the over achiever sails I never see those either. I have the overachiever but I never put them on. I have every single time limited cosmetic but never put them on. There are others that have done the same exact thing.

Players are arguing over a toy they don't want to play with but are getting angry when someone else asks to play with it.

Sorry man. This is one of the few parts where I disagree with you all. I do apologize but I have never agreed with this type of mechanic.

You sir are worthy of all my up-votes. Not because you agree with me, either, but because of your sound logic and reasoning. Take it with pride.

@captain-coel

Things coming and going is fine! I don't mind if something leaves, and long as it comes back! The way it was! Don't lock it away forever just because I didn't play!

What if I became ill and became hospitalized? What if I studied abroad? What if I just decided, hey, I don't want to play games this month and do other things? It can be harder to get, I don't mind that, and it would make me play even harder and more when I DID find more time to play, AND spend more money on stuff that deserves to be bought!

A game can be an ever changing story, that is totally acceptable. But you are not following the thread and understanding what I am trying to say. Maybe I should speak in pirate so everyone understands? Arrrgh.

What people need to realize at the end of the day is that this is a game, something that I purchased. Our hard-earned money deserves far better! Not everyone can buy out the Pirate Emporium every month or play Insider just as much as everyone else! I feel like I've bought a game that I will never be able to see half the content for. THAT is the problem. But I think I'm talking myself in circles, and I think everyone understands my point. I'm going to go do what I've wanted to do for the last three hours since I've been monitoring this post - PLAY SEA OF THIEVES!

@schwammlgott said in Time-Limited/Exclusive Content is destroying my love for Sea of Thieves. Here are my thoughts.:

@kingslayer-kurt is it really that hard to accept, that time limited stuff IS in fact time limited? Those things tell a story, I can tell you stories about the thrill and fun we had by hunting the Hungering One the first time...you cannot, because you weren't there, for whatever reasons...the introduction of new things like the megs or the skellie ships was a huge thing that time and that deserves exclusivity
Get over it!
Also you say, you paid full price...really? You paid 70 Euro/dollars/whatever? If yes, you got ripped off...

Wowza. You need to read the thread matey. We have already established the problem; you are repeating what others have said. The story thing NEVER HAPPENS. Look above your post. I NEVER SEE ANYTHING OTHER THAN WHAT IS CURRENTLY ROTATING IN THE STORE, unless I ask my friends who happen to have SOME stuff to put it on for me.

I feel like some players think that unique sails paints them as a target... maybe that's another problem that could be remedied if EVERYONE HAS ACCESS TO THEM?

I didn't pay full price, if everyone wants to know. I paid a dollar for the Xbox Live PC Game Pass Beta, tried it out, and instantly bought it at their game pass discount, around $40 or so. If my computer had a disc drive, I would have bought a physical copy for my computer... but I'm not sure if it ever got a physical CD release! Which is another testament to what the gaming industry has become.

@bugaboo-bill Thanks man. I totally agree with you dude. Again, these issues will never prevent me from loving the game, and I want people to realize that.

It is working. You don't like it but it's working. Nice analogy but I don't see how that applies here really.

I see a simple case of people want the things they can't have right now in their out of stock forms that others do have and are campaigning for it without understanding and accepting the reason involved in why they don't have it and someone else does. Even being aware that the items will show up in alternate colors. That's not good enough for some reason.

You won't see founder sails unless a founder wants to equip them, so what? You won't see the banana sails unless someone from the region that won them want's to equip them. No good reason exists for a non founder to have the founder sails. No good reason exists for someone to have the banana sails unless they had to code to redeem them.

How can someone logically expect to be able to earn something that says they did a thing at a time when everyone else did, a year after everyone else did and it's not possible for them to do now themselves?

The items are out of stock. They are vaulted in their current colors. You may see them in alternate colors at some point. I realize the feeling of envy and missing out on some cosmetics they don't have a right to blinds some people to logical thinking. I'll move on now.

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