Crashing on AMD hardware related to in game storms.

@toniblazer said in Crashing on AMD hardware related to in game storms.:

I solved it, a user collected info from AMD integrated video users reported this same problem of excess particles that causes game to crash and also happened to other games, the amount of rain particles and the amount of pixels that each particle have ends up activating the AMD security system thinking it will start to heat up/damage the cpu even disabled AMD crash screen app.
So i tested the 3 layers of rains and I didn't crash for a long time with the right settings according to my cpu specs.

Config in game or find the config file:
Windows + R / %LOCALAPPDATA%
athena/saved/config/windowsclient/GameUserSettings.ini
or
packages\Microsoft.SeaofThieves_8wekyb3d8bbwe\LocalState\Athena\Saved\Config

DISABLE:
ParticleEmitterQuality=0
ParticleResolutionQuality=0
SmoothFPS: false

Still give you another crash on high details.

For PvP (min):
ModelDetail=2 (rare)
AnimationQuality=2
Set others to Cursed if you want to increase the model and animation, keep testing and 60 fps needed.

I hope this info helped you guys, if it keeps crashing, give me an answer and I'll be trying to solve this problem.
If you have someone more expert, please help us with advanced settings involving particles and textures.

Why not just uninstall the AMD Security System or tune its settings?

This is why I refuse to use AMD gpu's.

@toniblazer said in Crashing on AMD hardware related to in game storms.:

I found the responsible for the crash, its "precision boost overdrive" on bios and disabled it, now i can play on Mythical in all graphics except particles and model texture.

Follow these instructions:

1. Overclock in the bios that is involved iGPU:
   gpu boost set on manual
   precision boost overdrive set on disabled

2. Disable all amd app settings and boost that are bound to SoT.

3.AMD app crash warning:
msconfig / services / find the "AMD Crash Defender Service", disable and apply, restart your system.

4.Check that the processor temperature does not exceed 75°C.

5. Windows + R / %LOCALAPPDATA%
   athena/saved/config/windowsclient/GameUserSettings.ini
   or
   packages\Microsoft.SeaofThieves_8wekyb3d8bbwe\LocalState\Athena\Saved\Config
   and look for SmoothFPS and set it to false (no capital letter in the F).

If FPS drops alot or crash happens again, keep decrease these settings:

ModelTexture: CURSED
Particle Effect Quality: cursed
Partique Resolution: cursed

I'll explain why the "Model Texture" and "precision boost overdrive" is responsible for the crash.
This configuration causes each rain particle to be shaped for the best image quality, this is a bomb for virtual memory, and thus ends up forcing the AMD system to activate security to avoid damaging the cpu by "precision boost overdrive", it's weird how the particle optimization of this game was done.

Precision boost overdrive allows processor to run beyond defined vallues for PPT,VDD_CPU EDC, VDD_CPU TDC, VDD_SOC EDC, VDD_SOC TDC to the limits of the board, and allow it to boost high voltages for longer durations than default operation.

If there is another apu / gpu that is crashing, i will be trying to fix it.

I made a video playing in the storm entering the 3 layers of storm, All graphics on Mythical.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DiYpQVbcuk

My specs used for testing:
4600g Ryzen 5 Vega 7
3.7 - 4.2 Ghz
Ram 13.8 + vram 2 gb

Is all of that really necessary.

Surely you can just disable precision boost?

@toniblazer said in Crashing on AMD hardware related to in game storms.:

@personalc0ffee Good question.
"Precision boost overdrive" is the part of overclock, After disabling the crash screen desapeared, i left and joined storm 4 times for sure, never appeared again.
Overdrive allowed you to force the iGPU to work beyond the limit, this was why the crash screen appeared to avoid the damage can cause by massive rain particles with more "Model texture" details in game, disabling it will work normally but lower fps when entering places with very high particles (it shoud be), will not keep fps high and crash instantly like before, this is good for lifespan of your processor.
The most impontant to disable is "precision boost overdrive" and "AMD app crash warning", its the first problem to run the game, others like "AMD app settings", "File config and ingame config" can be tested by each user after disabling these settings, it will vary according to motherboard and GPU/APU, they can know if a problem happened by these simpler configurations.
Remembering that my method may not work for everyone, if it is still happening, they may be informing here, I can try help to solve this problem.

Basically if you disable the auto overclock, which should not be enabled by default what cruddy bios

and then also just use the graphics settings in game and tune it it a bit.

That way there is no fiddling with files.

Is that viable? It is already a big ask for someone who may not be familiar with computer to go into bios.

Basically just 1 and 5 and leave 2, 3, and 4 alone.

It would be nice if someone tested that because actually altering SoT files is against the ToS.

@toniblazer said in Crashing on AMD hardware related to in game storms.:

Forgive me, the method I showed I thought was safe, I didn't know that changing gameusersettings settings could have some violations, nobody warned me about it, and you warned me that now, why?
I don't have many pieces of hardware to know to give more answer, or several people to help me. I will be making more safer instructions, warning that they cannot change certain bios settings and game file.

Yah they don't take kindly to people messing about with the files, probably because online game.

I can't speak for certain if changing graphical options through the config files like that would net you trouble but better to err on the safe side of things. I'm sure a mod will eventually find this post and let you know.

You can change everything but Sea of Thieves specific files. That's what the ToS governs.

@personalc0ffee said in Crashing on AMD hardware related to in game storms.:

@toniblazer said in Crashing on AMD hardware related to in game storms.:

Forgive me, the method I showed I thought was safe, I didn't know that changing gameusersettings settings could have some violations, nobody warned me about it, and you warned me that now, why?
I don't have many pieces of hardware to know to give more answer, or several people to help me. I will be making more safer instructions, warning that they cannot change certain bios settings and game file.

Yah they don't take kindly to people messing about with the files, probably because online game.

I can't speak for certain if changing graphical options through the config files like that would net you trouble but better to err on the safe side of things. I'm sure a mod will eventually find this post and let you know.

You can change everything but Sea of Thieves specific files. That's what the ToS governs.

It is quite interesting that you managed to solve a problem that has been plaguing AMD users for quite a time. One of my own crew would have this issue in the past.

My guess is it is the bios settings for overclocking the igpu and just having your settings set too high. Of course if you're an igpu, you should probably be using 1080 cursed.

@mugiwara3026 said in Crashing on AMD hardware related to in game storms.:

@personalc0ffee no game ever ban anyone for altering graphics trough user files, also devs should be focus on solving problems not banning people doing their job for them lol, anyway thanks for the help @Toniblazer you manage to fix a problem i had since i bought the game (2 years now) and could never find a solution to, i wish you good fortune and hope good things come your way sir.

I am only stating what the terms and services governing the game says. You can't alter files belonging to the game, whether they ban for it or not is up to Rare.

So accessing the athena files is no longer necessary? It is just the performance boost doing it, isn't it?