Rare - Fix your game for the love of god

@burnbacon said in Rare - Fix your game for the love of god:

Think you need to explain more besides saying "Glitches"

What is these glitches and how are they?
Sailing- What is glitching for you?

FYI, Most of these glitches are caused by the connection between the Player and Server and not the game itself.

Some of the glitches are server related but not all of them, also a glitch between player and server was non-existent before they migrated to the azure servers. I don't remember ANY of these glitches when the game first came out and its only gotten worse.

The one glitch I remember from back then would have been the flying ship glitch. When a ship is sinking it suddenly launches into the air. Besides that I don't remember any issues with the game.

Sailing - Glitching through the boat, getting caught in invisible walls.

This isn't "lag" or "latency" with the servers. Some of these issues are the servers being garbage and not being able to calculate everything or just having problems in general other problems is coding and LOTS of coding. Some of it might seem like server problems when its actually coding.

If the servers are the problem then get better servers. If they can't get better servers then freaking tone down the game so that it will work on the servers.

Cyberpunk just got sued for the company releasing a game that was riddled with bugs for the console. There are more bugs in this game then any other game that I know.

SIDE NOTE Actually a lot of these glitches are issues with the game. Not server side. Hit Registration problems server side, but mostly everything else is the game.

For me game was really good, but something happened a couple of months ago and started lagging like crazy and because of lag all other glitches happened. Same problem have also all my friends.

Sea of thieves used to be game i always using as an example how servers are good but i cant say that anymore because its not.

I dont know if thats because of new content, more players in corona time but that needs to be fixed.

I can tolerate any bug and glitch because its "normal". You cant make the perfect game without bugs but for god sake please fix lag or upgrade the server or just give us a reason why its happening, maybe its on our end.

Yeap if the game its not going right for you make a break and come after few week, you will enjoy more.

Its hard to balance. They know everything whats happening but they cant focus only on one problem because the community is large.

If they focus on fixing glitches and lags some people will complain why there is no new content and game progression and if they focus on adding new content people will complain why they dont fix bugs. So its very hard to balance such a large game and player needs.

@stewcha-kun

They can pause content updates. Almost every game does updates every 3 months or 6 months to give it time to work out all the bugs and the content updates are HIGHER.

You don't need weekly updates. You don't need monthly updates. Updating weekly versus every 3 to 6 months is the same amount of content, except one is more polished than the other.

Also, I just got longbearded from the game after have taken out 2 other sloops that were in an alliance. Athena loot, flags, collectors chests full of loot. Not to mention the blackcloud wrecker I had. Not to mention the massive amounts of supplies and cursed cannon balls.

This is of course AFTER my crewmate left about an hour and half prior and the game locking my lobby. I couldn't invite anyone nor could anyone join.

After the longbeard?? It didn't let me rejoin my session either.

Do players actually have no idea how bad this game is mechanically?? Do they really want updates more than a working game??

Playing this game is like having someone scratch nails on the chalk board while doing updates, this is fun for players??

Yesterday we got merged out of a server that was doing a fotd after the game did everything its in power to mess with us. Spawning 2 skelly ships on us while we were fighting the brig. I got glitched while eating. My cannon shots shooting higher or lower than they are suppose to be. Hit registration. The movement glitch that freeze your character into place until you completely stop moving for a full second. The best part is we sink and I figure thats fine, game Rare'd us like 20 times, we can go back and do it better without having to deal with all of that now. MERGES US. There were 3 other ships on the server. WE KNOW WE SAW THEM. We weren't the only ones going for that FoTD.

First time we sank and we get merged.

Not being able to repair the sails when it gets chainshotted.

I don't care about updates, I want a polished game.

For the love of god Cyberpunk got sued over this, other companies have as well.

The beauty of people leaving because of no content, is that they come right back when the content is back and guess what, EVERYONE will have more fun if the game is FREAKING WORKING.

@ippoc said in Rare - Fix your game for the love of god:

Like some have already posted here, you can't please everyone. But sure this is not about pleasing, but about fixing their game.

This isn't about pleasing everyone. The game is broken. This is a broken game. Ever remember how big an update shrouded shores was?? It was a massive update with tons of content.

EVERYONE loved it. Large massive update that they waited to release. YAY it worked.

The content will be released. It the content WILL come out. How about focusing on fixing the game first.

I have not experienced many bugs at all and I feel there is this sense of entitlement on these forums where people seem to forget it is real people working on a project that they seem to care for deeply.

No one is forgetting that real people are working on this. Real people however are working on other things and not fixing bugs. They are releasing stuff in too high a frequency to EVER actually make quality checks to the game.

The reason why they keep sprinkling little updates here and there is for the players who grind though everything in a single day. Give them a super large update that should take a regular person a month or 2 to complete, they will complete it in a week and then complain there is nothing to do in the game. That is their problem.

There are so many game companies out there and most of them don't put in this time or effort.

All companies put in this time and effort. Other games do expansions or super large content updates.

Rare does something like the festival of fishing. You call that an update??

They could have taken everything they released in the past 6 months and did one large update while making sure the game WORKS. Guess what, we still get the update but we also get a polished game.

Yes, you mention that other games after a year or two fix bugs instead of new ones coming all the time. But you might be forgetting that this is an online, constantly evolving game. It seems more that you are not very familiar with game development or coding etc. (Not like I am some kind of savant on the subject)

No not after a year or 2 fix bugs. They fix the bugs in a week or 2, not YEAR.

Once the bug is realized they find it and fix it up with a hot fix or in the next possible patch update that they may release in a month.

Every bug in Sea of Thieves has been in sea of thieves for years of even months and then they give us NEW bugs that they never fix.

Dude I am familiar with coding and development. This is not an constantly evolving game. This game only evolves as much as they release and as quickly as they releases, aka. Not any faster or more than any other game with an online presence.

Is this your first online game??

But when they add something, change something. Then this is new lines of code. Most of the time it can be the smallest, dumbest thing that can ruin an entire thing. You could have 9292849 lines of code for this game. But if you just forget one little thing, like a / in the middle of walls and walls of text. All of the sudden the entire game breaks.

Dude this isn't all of a sudden. The game has HAD the same bugs for a long time now. They say they fix it but they never did. Its still part of the game.

The problem with releasing fast updates is that if you can't fix and polish the game before the next update, you have no way to narrow down where the bug or the problem is and you keep added more and more updates before fixing any of the issues then you are just compounding the problems.

They are making it HARDER to fix.

Rare is made up of multiple different areas of development most likely, so you don't ask the CEO, marketing director or designers to go and write the code and find the bugs. That is a certain area within the company that handles this.

This comment is completely pointless to the discussion and I have no idea why you even added it.

Why is this usually something that happens all to often, no matter what game you look at. People complain because they think that releasing one thing or doing one thing means the entire staff is just doing that alone.

No, what people look at is the company has made a decision to release more and more content. The developers can instead suggest "HEY GUYS WE WANT TO FIX THE GAME BECAUSE ITS GARBAGE!!!"

Except we don't get that. Except we haven't actually gotten ANY NEWS from Rare since even before covid.

The developers have taken a back seat to this game and haven't really answered any of the issues plauging this game.

You know what other companies do?? They have a presence in the forums and they release dev blogs to help answer questions.

You know what this game does?? NOTHING.

Rare employee's instead are just going around acting as moderators to the forums and there has been no actually discussion on the state of the game or the constant issues. Instead we get this

"Hey guys Joe Neate here with another dev update, so we are releasing more content and more stuff for the emporium. Our community is growing larger and larger. Now lets talk about the update" - They talk about the update and thats IT.

And about their name being used as an insult? Yes hello? This happens in any online game I am afraid. "Thanks Volvo!(Valve) You just ruined the game" or "Wauw Gaben(Gabe Newell from Valve) really? Gotta do me like that, so greedy!"
This is not a unique ting that just happens to Rare my friend.

Other companies are used their names as insults when it comes to money grubbing transactions. Queue in the "so greedy" comment.

Rare is the only one that is used as a statement of a poorly developed game. There is no other game I know of where the glitches are problems are left and right in the game as this one.

Nobody in their right mind at Rare would ever just on purpose ruin this game on purpose. Even if they wanted to, then Microsoft would stop them.
Stop trying to make the company look or sound evil. It is their game and they are doing a fine job, support them instead of throwing insults towards them.

The company does look and sounds evil. Like Devil incarnate. They are not doing a fine job and need to get their act together and freaking address the community and have a bigger presence.

They used to have a LARGE presence the first year of the game, then they went to monthly updates instead of weekly and it was all downhill from there.

This is poor management and unfortunately it reflects on the company, especially when the developers are quiet about all the issues going on.

Developers are part of Rare, Rare owns Sea of Theieves, Sea of Thieves is riddled with bugs and issues. Yeah they are all responsible.

Thank you :)

You are welcome.

@ippoc

Rants, oh yeah I'm definitely ranting. Accusations?? No. This game as it receives more and more updates becomes more and more broken. If they can't guarantee the quality of the game when releasing an update then they shouldn't do it.

They have also been quiet about the whole state of the game for over a year now. Covid aside they could still reach out and do some Q/A's. If they are having problems developing content because of the remote from home, I'd understand that, but there are no issues for them putting up a Q/A in the forums or even on a stream, or even just developer video where they answers some questions from the community.

Let us KNOW why things are the way they are. Why they made the decision to stick with making updates while ignoring the bugs.

"We are still continuing our efforts to fix hit registration and the rest of the bugs" - Does not seem like it. How can they say something like that when bugs literally come to stay in Sea of Thieves??

Other games the bugs and glitches get taken care of, this game, its like its part of the game's world building mechanic at this point.

The game was more polished in beta and release then it is now, how is that even possible?? I used to defend Rare "give them time, they are trying to figure stuff out and when they do, they fix it. Everything takes time." - This was when I believed it would take maybe 2 or maybe 3 months maximum to fix, NOT YEARS.

The chainshot sail glitch has been around for 4 months now?? Its been around since Emissary launch.........that was a year ago.

The food eating glitch has been around since around they time they first added weapon swap delay. Then they fixed it a little but it seems now its back.

If the issue is that there is TOO much on the server than freaking remove it.

We don't need roaming skelly ships, we have skelly ship raids. They can leave the spawning skelly ships if they want, but remove the roaming ones. We don't need massive amounts of loot in the water with barrels, do the barrels like before. Have them loaded in like a sunken ship, like how it used to be. We don't need roaming spawn barrels that will spawn in and out depending on ship location.

Whatever the issue is, they aren't sharing, whatever direction they are going they aren't sharing. Rare has basically been completely non-existent when they could have just been more available during covid lock down. They did neither of these things instead just kept releasing broken updates.

We don't need rowboats to stick around forever when not in use.

@xultanis-dragon

You guys legitimately just create more and more content while creating more and more bugs.

"You guys legitimately just create more and more cosmetics while creating more and more bugs."

FTFY because "content" is not really the correct word for what we have been receiving for the past half year or so.

And yes, joke aside, I agree that Rare have been way too silent for way too long. Lately I even wonder if they haven't abanadoned SoT for good.

@xultanis-dragon
Sounds a lot like the fate of Anthem and other games, doesn't it? This is how games die:

1. DEVS worry about Content over core game issues to keep players money coming in. (Not realizing that this is just the beginning of the end of the game.)

2. Don't listen to the gamers. Hence, the players get tired of the state of the game, and leave for a better one.

Every time.

@xultanis-dragon every game has bugs or glitches like call of duty black ops cold war that game is so buggy they still have bugs that have not been fixed since release and those bugs are super easy to fix yet super noticeable.

This absolutely hands down sums up the issues rare needs to address.

@burnbacon then why are these issues on a mass scale it's not just a handful of people on mcdonald's wifi. It's people with good pong to the server the servers are the issues and need to be fixed

And I see you post on alot of topics like this always saying something along the lines like you have no issues. The chances of you playing the game as a hardcore player is very low most casual users won't notice the issues because they spend almost no time using every mechanic in the game.

@galactic-geek said in Rare - Fix your game for the love of god:

@ste4lthles said in Rare - Fix your game for the love of god:

Absolutely agree, old sword was very balanced and needed skill, now its a complete mess

It was actually an exploitable mess.

When it comes to adjusting the sword, I do believe that they made numerous changes that weren't really all that necessary, but they largely fixed a lot of it and brought back the sword mechanics close to where they were without a lot of the cancelling exploits this time around, which IMO, has made it better overall.

Not really. I've been looking at old videos for the sword. Even though the wide spread knowledge of some of the sword animation cancel came much much later in the game, I think after their attempt to fix double gunning?? Which was about a year after release?? I could be wrong on the time frame and I feel like I am but point is that the wide spread use of it wasn't around in the early stance.

However, let me mention how sword really worked even WITH the exploits like making sure to aim slightly lower towards the ground to get hit regs on the environment so you don't "miss", even if that was TRUE, you could still block, and the sword combat was cleaner even WITH the cancels and the hit regs exploits.

Actually now that I think about it, the animation cancel wasn't an issue until they tried to buff sword with the speed buff allowing players to move and swing at the same time.

Yeah actually I remember, even before with how the sword worked the exploitation couldn't really be taken advantage of because of how the sword played. Swinging the sword gave the player a huge speed debuff, which might sound horrible but it worked really well because we didn't have hippity hoppity all over the place. Also the swords sword worked amazingly, so if you caught 3 people with a sword swing, they couldn't just turn around and sword tornado you, you could block from multiple angles if you were good enough or good at dodging to get through them.

Now the infinite sword lunge was a problem but that was easy enough to deal with once you realized how to beat it.

Trust me broski, if you haven't yet, try to find the videos from like 3 years ago on youtube. God brings back soooooo many memories.

Barrel 1.0, KEGS ON SHIPS, players ramming to board lol. Not to mention how responsive the combat was and how much better the sword was.

I made a list of the things that the game does not that it didn't do before and I believe more and more that Rare just kept adding things to the servers without optimizing everything which could be the main reason for a lot of these issues.

Sometimes adding more isn't always the answer and well Rare just kept throwing things into he game.

Skelly Captain on every island. Multiple row boats, items left on islands, items on players boats. Skelly ships, Devils Roar and Volcanoes, multiple barrel spawns for every ship on the server instead of just barrels that spawned like sunken ships.

But yeah, check and try to find those videos, when I watch them I remember what it felt like to play the game back in those days and honestly, I miss it a whole lot and had a LOT more fun back in those days then I do now. The more videos I watch the more I realize that I think I play this game in hopes that I will end up having as much fun as I used to. Well who knows, WATCH THE VIDS lol. Hope you see what I see and remember what I remember, but who knows.

@galactic-geek said in Rare - Fix your game for the love of god:

@xultanis-dragon said:

the animation cancel wasn't an issue until they tried to buff sword with the speed buff allowing players to move and swing at the same time.

Um, what? You've always been able to move while swinging the sword. I know this because even before the speed boost was given to the sword, I was beating everyone at the sword game with my running sword slash while everyone else was too busy getting stun-locked by their own inept charges (and that's still a valid strategy even today, though it's admittedly less effective).

You missed where I said that you had a speed debuff before, that was inline with that comment.

However, it still stands, you could move while swinging but it was no where near as fast as it was. I even remember the update when they did it, the movement was SO much faster compared to before.

Watch the video I linked, the characters are moving at full speed while swinging the sword, see how much slower it is compared to what it is now?? Dodging/Side stepping used a huge part of the combat because it gave you that boost of speed to get out of range. Players who swung like mad men lost to good players, now however you get a boat of sword tornados and its a mess.

The first speed buff was introduced the very first time they tried to fix double gunning. Again the stat of the games combat REVOLVES around them trying to balance around double gunning. They need to just make sword mandatory already. I understand players used double gun load outs but letting players have that option has crippled Rare's ability to even change the combat besides trying to nerf and buff around it.

Also, this thread was about the glitching and how horrible it is.

A month or longer ago, I had a teammate leave by turning off their xbox. I got kicked off server like 2 minutes after. I got back into session which was great. What screwed me was after an hour after my friend left, I asked if anyone else wanted to get on because I found an athena and GH allianced. No one could join. Game kept saying my session was full. My friend had already left an hour prior and even after 2 hours still nothing.

Best part was the server crashed after I finally sank both ships. BEST GAME EVER!!! - I think it was a server crash or at least on my end, I can't figure out what beard it was. The server kicked me and when I tried to get back it wouldn't let me rejoin sess.

There is just too much in the game. Game was so much more polished before.

SIDE NOTE Too clarify, the animation cancel where you redraw sword after the second swing so that you don't have that delay after the 3rd hit wasn't really a thing until they added the speed buff to swords because even before then it didn't really help since you could block and swing after blocking or even side stepping and you could do this because again, speed debuff while using sword.

@galactic-geek said in Rare - Fix your game for the love of god:

@xultanis-dragon I don't think I have ever seen a sword fight quite like that, even back in the day. They're largely just standing still and blocking - barely moving. Even back in the day, there was running, bunny-hopping, and charge-cancelling. This is not representative of what actually happens in most fights, then and now.

That said, I did love hearing the "ting" sound effect of the blocked sword - I honestly don't hear that enough anymore.

Oh yeah I agree the video really doesn't show case it very well but there really wasn't any bunny hopping with swords back in the day. Players did JUMP to try and hit over the block but you couldn't jump OVER the play and get behind them, you lost all your forward momentum when you swung the sword.

The video does show case what happens to players DURING a sword combat moment though. It wasn't about jumping around like monkeys, players pulled out their swords and had en-garde moments. That was what sword combat was all about. It was cleaner and players stayed on the ground most of the time.

In sword combat you got a SERIOUS speed debuff. All your forward momentum is removed, you can still move but it was more or less at half speed.

Numbers used are completely made up for example sake :

Regular running speed is 100. Sprint increases that to 125.

Current sword mechanics you keep the full speed at 100 even while sword swiping.

Original Sword mechanics your speed is drops to 50 while swinging the sword.

Not to mention all the forward moment is gone.

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So bunny hopping with the sword wasn't really a thing back in the day. You could do it but there wasn't enough speed or moment to even jump over a player. Players would jump in place to hit over blocks but not anywhere near what it is now.

With the speed debuff sword combat was more about finesse and strategy. The skill gap in swords was a lot higher back in the day. A good player with a sword could take out a team of 10 easily even if they tried to sword spam. Blocking, landing hits, spacing, side stepping.

Now however if players know how to track you or have a wide FOV you aren't getting away, even IF you are able to block a few hits, doesn't matter because you can't get out.

Swords used to be a beautiful match up of mind games and feints and talent. If you did it right you could kill everyone without getting hit. It was cleaner, maybe clunky at times because of the speed debuff, but it was smoother in a way because it forced players to have to SWORD combat, not bunny hop like crazy.

They need to make sword mandatory and just change player combat mechanics back to launch. They could rebalance the guns to give them their niches finally. Pistol could finally be the mid range weapon, blunder the close range, and sniper could be the long range. Right now its, sniper is the close, mid, long range. They could also fix sword to remove any exploits like the infinite sword lunge or whatever.

I mean they keep saying "Oh hit reg is an issue during high stress situations of combat" well how about slowing it down and adding some skill back into it??

Right now its a bunny hopping monkey feces flinging mess. Watch more videos broski, I think you are mixing up what you remember with the feeling. I think you felt like you had more control and the combat was "quicker" back in the day because you probably felt like a power house with the sword killing sword swipping noobs that never blocked, but the feeling is probably changing what you remember to make sense of it.