Xmas DLC

No.
Because...
Seriously...
it's pure chauvinism, in my point of view. Does the world for you consist only of Christian cultures on the northern hemisphere of the globe? Halloween is bad enough. So now Christmas, too? With snow? Ask in Australia how much snow there is at Christmas. Or ask in India what significance Christmas has there.

For Schiva's sake: No, No, No.

@themasterplan84 sagte in Xmas DLC:

@goedecke-michel

I doubt you'd go into a Japanese forum ...

As you try to compare this with an image of a Japanese forum... what exactly do you think is, or better, for whom, is this forum? Not japanese, I think, otherweise your picture is wrong. Therefore, no, it's no fun for one culture to think that others around the world have to accept it or find it funny.

And although I belong to a western culture, and Christmas tree, Santa Claus and C****t Child have European, if not Celtic-Germanic roots, the american-kitschy-itschy Xmas with reindeer and elves is so annoying to me that I would definitely switch off the game in time.

What exactly does Christmas have to do with pirates in the South Seas? Voodoo would still be thematically appropriate. But Christmas? Seriously? Seriously?

The Grinch.

On the other hand, if you look at the artbook, there were ideas of an icy world, as well as an Asian-looking world. It would be appropriate, for example, if the Icy World celebrated one festival, the Asian World another. Limited to their zones. Northwest in winter a kind of Christmas. Southeast to the New Year a dragon festival. Southwest something Voodoo-like to the Carnival.

But those areas are not here. So, still, my vote is: No, no, no.

@themasterplan84 For me, the following is completely okay: I buy a game which is about pirates. In the context of this background I will not be surprised if I also encounter cultural things that go along with it. Voodoo, for example. Sailor's yarn and superstition. Fits there.

But Christmas is as out of place here as Ramadam would be in a Union civil war scenario against Southerners. You only think that's OK because you know Christmas. But many others don't.

Halloween fits somehow because of the skeletons, the gosts, the ferryman. Christmas does not, in my eyes.

Translated with www.DeepL.com/Translator

@fiercefinny74 No. I am beyond sick and tired of christmas culture. No reindeer, snowmen, elves, candy canes, christmas trees, jingle bells, santa suits etc. I cannot describe with words how disgusted I am with most holiday culture. I feel that it’s merely an industry forced down everyone’s throats for the sake of profit. Not every video game needs to dance along to the dissonant sway of western holidays. Burp

@closinghare208 Nope.

@themasterplan84 said in Xmas DLC:

@goedecke-michel

It's a fun casual game made by a British dev with the main demographic being Western. It's not trying to be factually accurate pirate game where everything represents that time period.

It's not like the celebration would be permanent. I'd be down for them adding anything if it was fun

Exactly. It's not like the themes of Piracy and Pirates in the very design/lore of SoT aren't entirely based on Western Eurpean conceptions/mythology/history of what Pirates and Piracy looked and behaved like.

It's not really that far from a Disneyesque world to be honest.

A new island with a downhill snowboarding (plank) run!

@fiercefinny74 I actually talked about adding a cold Biome to the map in a different forum. I agree there should be some Holiday theme going on but something more universal. For people that.... like to be jerks about having specific holiday's being favored.

@Goedecke-Michel
Also, Halloween is almost universal. http://mentalfloss.com/article/506197/12-halloween-traditions-around-world It is a matter of perspective. For one thing, I actually don't like Halloween however, I did enjoy the Festival of the Damned they put into Sea of Thieves. Honestly, it's close but pretty far off from being Halloween related.

@commandwolfyt sagte in Xmas DLC:

@fiercefinny74 I actually talked about adding a cold Biome to the map in a different forum. I agree there should be some Holiday theme going on but something more universal. For people that.... like to be jerks about having specific holiday's being favored.

@Goedecke-Michel
Also, Halloween is almost universal. http://mentalfloss.com/article/506197/12-halloween-traditions-around-world

Wow. This is a point of view. Viewing from a point my not make you oversee the whole matter.

@goedecke-michel I am just trying to be diplomatic about the whole thing. If one holiday or specific holiday is favored it creates a whole set of issues, especially with the "PC" Culture. I don't want one of my favorite games to have to stop something because a couple people get butthurt over it.

@piratecraggy said in Xmas DLC:

@surveyorpete

I personally view it more as a "Winter Festival"
Yes, references are from Real Life, & can be from any belief/non-belief system.
It's not all about "Christmas" IMHO....... Winter Festivals..... of a description, have a grounding in all belief systems/ and non-belief systems.

Let's see what's happening in December ( listing from Wiki )...

Buddhism

Bodhi Day: 8 December – Day of Enlightenment, celebrating the day that the historical Buddha (Shakyamuni or Siddhartha Gautama) experienced enlightenment (also known as Bodhi).

Christianity
Advent: four Sundays preceding Christmas Day

Krampusnacht: 5 December – The Feast of St. Nicholas is celebrated in parts of Europe on 6 December. In Alpine countries, Saint Nicholas has a devilish companion named Krampus who punishes the bad children the night before.

Saint Nicholas' Day: 6 December
Feast of the Immaculate Conception Day: 8 December – The day of V****n Mary's Immaculate Conception is celebrated as a public holiday in many Catholic countries.

Saint Lucia's Day: 13 December – Church Feast Day. Saint Lucia comes as a young woman with lights and sweets.

Las Posadas: 16–24 December – procession to various family lodgings for celebration & prayer and to re-enact Mary & Joseph's journey to Bethlehem[4]
Longest Night: A modern Christian service to help those coping with loss, usually held on the eve of the Winter solstice.

Christmas Eve: 24 December – In many countries e.g. the German speaking countries, but also in Poland, Hungary and the Nordic countries, gift giving is on 24 December.

Christmas Day: 25 December and 7 January – celebrated by Christians and non-Christians alike.

Anastasia of Sirmium feast day: 25 December

Twelve Days of Christmas: 25 December–6 January

Saint Stephen's Day: 26 December – In Germany, Poland and the Czech Republic a holiday celebrated as Second Day of Christmas.

Saint John the Evangelist's Day: 27 December

Holy Innocents' Day: 28 December

Saint Sylvester's Day: 31 December

Hinduism
Pancha Ganapati: a modern five-day Hindu festival celebrated from December 21 through 25 in honor of Ganesha.

Historical
Malkh: 25 December

Mōdraniht: or Mothers' Night, the Saxon winter solstice festival.

Saturnalia: 17–23 December – An ancient Roman winter solstice festival in honor of the deity Saturn, held on the 17 December of the Julian calendar and expanded with festivities through to 23 December. Celebrated with sacrifice, a public banquet, followed by private gift-giving, continual partying, and a carnival.

Dies Natalis Solis Invicti (Day of the birth of the Unconquered Sun): 25 December – late Roman Empire

Humanism
HumanLight: 23 December – Humanist holiday originated by the New Jersey Humanist Network in celebration of "a Humanist's vision of a good future."

Judaism
Hanukkah: usually falls anywhere between late November and early January.

Paganism
Yule: Pagan winter festival that was celebrated by the historical Germanic people from late December to early January.

Yalda: 21 December – The turning point, Winter Solstice. As the longest night of the year and the beginning of the lengthening of days, Shabe Yaldā or Shabe Chelle is an Iranian festival celebrating the victory of light and goodness over darkness and evil. Shabe yalda means 'birthday eve.' According to Persian mythology, Mithra was born at dawn on 22 December to a V****n mother. He symbolizes light, truth, goodness, strength, and friendship. Herodotus reports that this was the most important holiday of the year for contemporary Persians. In modern times Persians celebrate Yalda by staying up late or all night, a practice known as Shab Chera meaning 'night gazing'. Fruits and nuts are eaten, especially pomegranates and watermelons, whose red color invokes the crimson hues of dawn and symbolize Mithra.

Koliada: Slavic winter festival celebrated on late December with parades and singers who visit houses and receive gifts.

Secular
Boxing Day: 26 December.

Human Rights Day: 10 December

Dongzhi Festival – a celebration of Winter

Hogmanay: night of 31 December–before dawn of 1 January – Scottish New Year's Eve celebration

Newtonmas: 25 December – As an alternative to celebrating the religious holiday Christmas, some atheists and skeptics have chosen to celebrate December 25 as Newtonmas, due to it being Isaac Newton's birthday on the old style date.

Kwanzaa: 26 December–1 January – Pan-African festival celebrated in the US
New Year's Eve: 31 December – last day of the Gregorian year

Soyal: 21 December – Zuni and Hopi

Solstice: On or about 21 December.

Zamenhof Day: 15 December – Birthday of Ludwig Zamenhof, inventor of Esperanto; holiday reunion for Esperantists
Watch Night: 31 December

Unitarian Universalism
Chalica: first week of December – A holiday created in 2005, celebrated by some Unitarian Universalists.

Movable Dates

The following festivals have no fixed date in the Gregorian calendar, and may be aligned with moon cycles or other calendars.

Chinese/Vietnamese/Korean/Mongolian/Tibetan/Japanese
Lunar New Year: late January–mid February – considered the end of winter in the traditional Lunar calendar

Persian

Sadeh: A mid-winter feast to honor fire and to "defeat the forces of darkness, frost and cold". Sadé or Sada is an ancient Iranian tradition celebrated 50 days before Nowruz. Sadeh in Persian means "hundred" and refers to one hundred days and nights left to the beginning of the new year celebrated at the first day of spring on March 21 each year. Sadeh is a midwinter festival that was celebrated with grandeur and magnificence in ancient Iran. It was a festivity to honor fire and to defeat the forces of darkness, frost, and cold.
Chahar Shanbeh Suri: Festival of Fire, Last Wednesday of the Iranian Calendar year. It marks the importance of the light over the darkness, and arrival of spring and revival of nature. Chahārshanbe–Sūri (Persian: چهارشنبه‌سوری), pronounced Chārshanbe–Sūri (Persian: چارشنبه‌سوری) is the ancient Iranian festival dating at least back to 1700 BCE of the early Zoroastrian era.[1] The festival of fire is a prelude to the ancient Norouz festival, which marks the arrival of spring and revival of nature. Chahrshanbeh Soori, is celebrated the last Tuesday night of the year.

Islam
Ramadan: During this holy time, the ninth month of the Islamic calendar year, Muslims do not eat, drink, or smoke from sunrise to sunset for an entire month. Instead, they spend their days in worship, praying in mosques. At the end of Ramadan, people celebrate with a festival known as Id-ul-Fitr.
Eid -Ul-Fitr Eid-Ul-Adha Hijri new Year Asyura Maulid Isra mi'raj Middle sya'ban (lay'at Al-Nisfu) Day of Arafa

Judaism
Hanukkah – Ḥănukkāh, usually spelled חנוכה, pronounced [χanuˈka] in Modern Hebrew; a transliteration also romanized as Chanukah or Chanukkah), also known as the Festival of Lights, Feast of Dedication, is an eight-day Jewish holiday commemorating the re-dedication of the Holy Temple (the Second Temple) in Jerusalem at the time of the Maccabean Revolt against the Seleucid Empire of the 2nd century BC. Hanukkah is observed for eight nights and days, starting on the 25th day of Kislev according to the Hebrew calendar, which may occur at any time from late November to late December in the Gregorian calendar

Hinduism
Diwali: mid-October–mid-November – known as the Festival of Lights, this Hindu holiday celebrates the victory of good over evil. The five-day festival is marked by ceremonies, fireworks and sweets.

Navratri: The great nine nights of the Goddess Durga, commemorating Her victory against the demon Mahishasura.

Slavic

Malanka caps off the festivities of the Christmas holidays
Maslenitsa in Slavic mythology, a celebration of the imminent end of the winter

Pastafarian
Holiday: Around the time of Christmas, Hanukkah and Kwanzaa (generally known as the Christmas and holiday season), Pastafarians celebrate a vaguely defined holiday named "Holiday". Holiday does not take place on a specific date so much as it is the Holiday season itself. There are no specific requirements for Holiday, and Pastafarians celebrate Holiday however they please. They also celebrate Pastover and Ramendan.

He has a point it's more like a winter festival.

@PirateCraggy
You are entirely correct multiple cultures celebrate the passing of the season doing different events. We all call it something different but it comes back to the same thing a Festival or Party celebrating the change in season or the passage of time. So if we end up calling it the Winter Festival or Snowball Carnival, or something else I would love to see a Winter themed item for the season. It doesn't necessarily have to be a religious-themed experience. (Avoiding PC butthurt culture) Just some sort of winter item would be nice. That is why in the forum. https://www.seaofthieves.com/forum/topic/75240/new-environmental-effect-danger-idea?page=1 I mentioned having a Winter Biome added for the Holiday Season and made mention of adding another ship type (Icebreaker) and other dangerous environmental conditions.

@commandwolfyt sagte in Xmas DLC:

I don't want one of my favorite games to have to stop something because a couple people get butthurt over it.
...
He has a point it's more like a winter festival.

Every one of your diplomatic sentences proves my thesis.

From your point of view, the rest of the world consists of just a couple of people. And your usual winter spectacle is of course neutral and therefore for the rest of the world, those few people, bearable and commodious. That's pretty much the "unconscious northern hemisphere chauvinism" (Richard Dawkins).

The fact that your idea doesn't even fit into a pirate game of the South Seas is not worth your own consideration.

Translated with www.DeepL.com/Translator

@piratecraggy This is the the so called "Krampus". The name derives from Middle High German Krampen 'Kralle' or Bavarian Krampn (something lifeless, dried up, withered or withered). In many regions the figure of the Krampus has mixed with the Perchtenbrauchtum (cf. Schiachperchten).

In the Bavarian Alpenvorland and in the Austrian Salzkammergut, Styria as well as in Salzburg, the Krampus is rather common under the name Kramperl. In Styria and Carinthia, besides Kramperl, the name Bartl is also used, a short form of Bartholomew. Due to the centuries-long Slovenian-German bilingualism of Carinthia and Styria, it can be assumed that the Slovenian term parkelj also derives from Bartl, especially as the change t → k or d → g (Kittel → kikelj, Kandl → kangla) also occurs in other loans to Slovenian. In the Salzkammergut also the designation Miglo occurs.[2] In the Tiroler area one speaks more frequently of Tuifl, Tuifltåg or Tuifltratzen, derived from the term devil. Also the term Ganggerl is used.

The Krampus custom was originally widespread throughout the Habsburg Empire and neighbouring areas and was then banned during the Inquisition, as no one was allowed to disguise themselves as devilish figures under the death penalty. However, this winter custom was continued in some hard-to-reach places.

In these areas there was the idea that the devil devoured the souls of sinners. Evil is particularly strong in the harsh winter season and therefore shows itself in this form, which was depicted accordingly. Knecht Ruprecht is a comparable figure in North German Protestant areas.

So what's the relevance of this to a pirate game? Elsewhere I was scolded for the idea of the "Klabautermann", which is legendary in the German sailor's yarn and faith.