Seriously, the combat system needs a big overhaul. It's basically no brain and PvP with this combat system is luck based. Also theres no collision between characters. It's stupid how in a fight people go through you and you go through them. Most fights are a mess of peole jumping around and loosing sight of the ennemy. It's not strategy or skill based. Never been so annoyed by PvP in a game. Ship combat is nice, but as soon as you fight with swords and guns it's a freak fest. It's not even satisfying killing someone. I don't feel like I outsmarted him or played better than the guy I killed. It's just that I had the luck to land more hits.
The Combat system is awful
@monsieur-lache
I dig it. I can see how it's frustrating at times but I think it fits the game well. I do think there could be some improvements made though as well. What kind of things would you like to see them do to fix it? Not trying to be a jerk, just asking.@personalc0ffee said in The Combat system is awfull:
Um, you can't go through other players.
Combat is arcadey and fun. It is not luck based.
Sounds like you're trying to fight a bunny hopper, watch his bouncing and stay back. Then when he jumps go where he's going to land and nail him.
You can go through friendlies. Which, in the heat of battle, can be confusing when your crew of 4 is fighting a crew of 4. But not confusing enough to consider it awful.
Ahoy there, we do have a couple of discussions with suggestions around this topic if you'd like to have a read and perhaps add yer ideas -
https://www.seaofthieves.com/forum/topic/58070/more-fluid-combat
The collision thing bothers me the most. I can live with the current system if that were tweaked. I have heard some interesting suggestions to changing combat but don't feel strongly enough to push for heavy changes. To be fair I'm more a sailor than a fighter and try to keep things naval if possible.
I think the current system has potential. I danced with a guy who was about my combat level but we actually took our time and blocked each other and dodge hopped around and didn't rush in to be inside each other.... cringe ...but it was a very exciting little sword fight. If they can adjust the few things within the system to make that more the norm I think it would be good.
@z3n05p4c3 Stop the bunnyhopping and blunderbuss spamming. It's so annoying. And on Xbox the sensitivy is so low it's hard to keep track of people. More options with the sword fight too. Really I play this game since beta and all the fights I had were a mess of jumping around, shooting and praying. Ship combat is fun though.
@monsieur-lache So not only can you not fight, but you can't spell or form coherent sentences? The PvP is easy...and i'm on Xbox.
@personalc0ffee Does blocking block some of the Blunderbuss damage? Most people just board, jump and spam Blunder. It's real question btw ^^
@warspyder Oh my god I'm a stupid guy, really you're right my spelling is so bad nobody understands what I say. W8 is it b3ter this wey? Do yu untersd beter? Sory im not inglish. Also i'm glad you're so good in PvP. Do you mind teaching me some? You'll be like my Jedi Master.
@katttruewalker Thanks for the links i'll check them out ! Go through the suggestions. Really hope something is done to improve the combat system.
@monsieur-lache said in The Combat system is awfull:
@personalc0ffee Does blocking block some of the Blunderbuss damage? Most people just board, jump and spam Blunder. It's real question btw ^^
No but you can juke them by jumping in x direction while blocking.
The combat needs some serious refinement. ...and the hit reg is blah.
@mrgrim67686 Yeah I'm aware that you can dodge. Not many people do it during a fight though. Usually it's bunnyhopping.
@monsieur-lache The thing about jumping is they comitted to a path and cannot shift. Anticipate the landing and light them up.
@monsieur-lache how I feel. I don't get why people think this game takes skill. It's just bad pvp lol
@personalc0ffee said in The Combat system is awful:
Um, you can't go through other players.
Combat is arcadey and fun. It is not luck based.
Sounds like you're trying to fight a bunny hopper, watch his bouncing and stay back. Then when he jumps go where he's going to land and nail him.
Ahh but you can go through other players, When you sword lunge. However I agree I love the way combat is in this game. Seems fresh, even if it isn't lol. I also love that they didn't add crosshairs.
@personalc0ffee said in The Combat system is awful:
I think combat is perfect, frankly. It doens't need all these complicated nuances.
They need to work on hit detection though, I'll agree with you there.
Dude, just stop. We get that you're a fan, but enough with the hyperbole. Yeah, it's PERFECT, except for this giant flaw here that I agree should be fixed.
And two attacks, a block, a dodge, and a shotgun to the face being "arcadey" is generous at best. Maybe if Bad Dudes is your pinnacle of arcade combat...
@personalc0ffee said in The Combat system is awful:
Maybe stop trying to over complicate things that already work just fine.
The only thing they have to fix is hit detection and latency.
Flaw number one in your argument is the assertion that any complication is OVER complication. You could easily add a REAL parry, for instance, and still have melee combat be simple.
And as far as programming goes, combat basically IS hit detection, so if you have any issue there, you have a giant issue.
@dutchconlin said in The Combat system is awful:
The ship vs ship naval combat has some real potential to shine. But they would have to make the ladders re-tractable before most players bothered polishing those skills. As the game stands, climbing the ladders and mashing the hit button while jumping around is pretty much where things stand. Juvenile.
Naval combat is massively dogged by being able to bail faster than a ship full of holes can sink. It renders cannonballs nearly pointless if the opposing crew is still alive, and that's a bit of an issue for age-of-sail ship combat. That needs to be fixed. Additional ordinance types would also be welcome. Personally, I think if you can load people into a cannon, you should be able to load in anything you can pick up.
@warspyder said in The Combat system is awful:
@monsieur-lache So not only can you not fight, but you can't spell or form coherent sentences? The PvP is easy...and i'm on Xbox.
Remarks like this are not constructive. Thanks for adding your disrespectful opinion though.
@mrgrim67686 said in The Combat system is awful:
Aye. Sail and mast damage need to be a thing, along with grapeshot to clear crew from abovedecks.
Shooting castaway chests at people would be fun.
MAYBE sail damage, but I think mast damage is fraught with peril. One reason SoT's naval combat can be good is that repair is quick and simple, so you have more time to spend on attacking/counter-attacking. You keep adding layers of repair, and you lose that.
On the subject of shooting chests, how cool would it be to be able to shoot a chest of sorrow?
On grapeshot, I think we can be more creative... what if you could load more than one of certain item types into a cannon? So let's say... 3 chickens. A dozen bananas?
I think there is skill involved in all aspects of combat. I find my self having an easier time now then I did 2 weeks ago in PvE and PvP especially with the sword. Using the sword is all about timing and rock paper scissors. Charge beats block, block beats 3 hit combo, dodge beats charge. If you see someone about to charge you hold block give them something to hit, Right before they attack sword side step left or right and they will miss and now they are dead, They can't move for 2 seconds and you can annihilate them. Duels are my new favorite thing in the game.
@captgraykid It is by no means disrespectful to call a spade a spade when said spade is complaining online, about a video game. To say PvP is luck based, no brained, and requires no strategy or skill is ridiculous. I am by no means a pro gamer, and I have no problem with the PvP in this game. I would say I best people 90% of them time when it comes to PvP in SoT. I called the OP out because some of what he said is not only inaccurate, but absurd. If you're going to whine on a forum, at least have a leg to stand on.
@warspyder a dit dans The Combat system is awful :
@captgraykid It is by no means disrespectful to call a spade a spade when said spade is complaining online, about a video game. To say PvP is luck based, no brained, and requires no strategy or skill is ridiculous. I am by no means a pro gamer, and I have no problem with the PvP in this game. I would say I best people 90% of them time when it comes to PvP in SoT. I called the OP out because some of what he said is not only inaccurate, but absurd. If you're going to whine on a forum, at least have a leg to stand on.
Oh great you're back ! I'm glad you're so good that you can best everyone. Really, great for you. But ground combat isn't flawless. And also, stop praising yourself nobody cares if you're good.
@wizensquire1113 a dit dans The Combat system is awful :
I usually fight with strategy, and i love when someone fights the same way and doesn't mash the swing button.
All my fights were against bunnyhoppers with blunderbuss. And often it's button mashing. I would love to fight with strategy once. At least something must be done against bunnyhopping.
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