Sea of Thieves is a Cross Platforming Masterpiece - Thank You Rare & Microsoft

  • @legandj
    That's why i own a pc as well!
    I don't want to force my advantage over console users unlike some selfish pc players!
    KB+M support on xbox isn't the answer, I don't want to & shouldn't have to change my control scheme on the system i choose to play on.
    Consoles & controllers have gone hand in hand (excuse the pun) for the last 30yrs & will probably continue to do so for the next 30.
    Yes people do want options, that's what we are campaigning for, the option!!

    You have commented & argued on every crossplay thread, are you really that worried about losing your advantage?? Would it be game over for you if you could only face other m*********e know it alls ;)

  • @coyote4711 It seems to be a bit unfair due to pc key and mouse having some pvp advantages, BUT this playing with others on different consoles is the major reward. I wouldn't get to play with my best friend without it. There is no denying that the player base is a huge advantage to crossplay. I personally avoid most pvp so it doesnt bother me much if some people can aim better or jump more efficiently haha

  • @nebenkuh That's exactly my point. No one choice should be at an advantage over the other. Ideally there should be no consequences but that's very hard to do - just like a racing game is better played with a wheel. Thats a different discussion anyway. I'd like to say more but don't have the time at the moment but thanks for your reply.

    Happy sailing!

  • @revanjstone
    No one is wanting crossplay removed m8, just a per user option to enable or disable it.
    If you want to play with your friends on a galleon, leave it enabled.
    If you want to play solo & be on a level playing field with your opponents, then disable crossplay.
    There would just be 3 different servers Xbox only, PC only or Full Crossplay.

  • @LogansDadToo
    As a PC player i never had an issue with 'fair' crossplay.

    Wich means, no 'aimbot' or 'aim-assist' for console players.
    I know this isn't really fair though. Mouse and keyboard are just better in fps-games, but giving console players any kind of aim-assist would be even more unfair, just the other way round.
    Just add mouse and keyboard support for the console. I can play with a xbox controller on pc, it should work the other way round too. I mean, if i do play contoller, laying on my sofa with my feet up, im gonna be less focused, and my aim is gonna suck. I'll be an easy kill. That's console playing for me (and for most console players too).
    If i sit on my desk in my gaming chair, focussed and with my mouse aim on point, xboxers gonna have a hard time if they fight me.

    This shouldn't depend on the platform, but on personal preference.
    You just want to chill on your sofa/ship? alright, you're likely to become a victim.
    You want to focus on the game, and be the legendary one-shot-one-kill monster, taking out a galleon solo? Sit up and focus!

  • @logansdadtoo If that can be done, I'm all for it

  • @logansdadtoo Things evolve. It's quite clear that's the way things are heading with MS pushing crossplay so hard. I mean it's already possible to get kb/m working on the console so they obviously aren't against it.

  • @revanjstone
    That is what all the discussions are about m8!
    hardly anyone wants crossplay removed, we just want to be able to toggle it on & off.
    It makes things fairer all round, but unfortunately our pc friends don't see it that way. (as they are the ones with the advantage!)

  • @logansdadtoo
    "It makes things fairer all round"
    So would MKB support for Xbox - without the need for segregated servers :)

  • @logansdadtoo said in Sea of Thieves is a Cross Platforming Masterpiece - Thank You Rare & Microsoft:

    @legandj
    That's why i own a pc as well!
    I don't want to force my advantage over console users unlike some selfish pc players!
    KB+M support on xbox isn't the answer, I don't want to & shouldn't have to change my control scheme on the system i choose to play on.
    Consoles & controllers have gone hand in hand (excuse the pun) for the last 30yrs & will probably continue to do so for the next 30.
    Yes people do want options, that's what we are campaigning for, the option!!

    You have commented & argued on every crossplay thread, are you really that worried about losing your advantage?? Would it be game over for you if you could only face other m*********e know it alls ;)

    I will keep arguing, as you will. If they put the game on steam I will happily play it there knowing that the plaerbase will always be large. Unfortunately im stuck with you guys and I'm not willing to risk having a dead game because you can't handle getting killed. Tell Rare to release it on Steam and I will happily have no interaction with you ever again, and you can have your safe space. Maybe you could start whining about elite controllers, XIM, 4Ktvs and xbox one X causing balance issues. Perhaps it would be best to split those into separate servers too.

    You seem to have got it into your head that I play this game solely to hunt console players, like some kind of mad headhunter. I play this game to mess around, usually just me and my gf and we don't even PvP much. I have Overwatch/Fortnite for competitive play. I don't care if I fight a pc or console player, just that I have someone to fight with, because without that the game is just a sailing simulator with no element of danger.

    ;)

  • @nebenkuh why should I be forced to buy and then use a Keyboard and Mouse when I play on my Xbox?

    Maybe PC users should be forced to buy and use a controller?

  • @nebenkuh
    Yes, but that is still having something forced on the console user though isn't it?
    Forcing pc players to use a controller would have the same desired effect, & controllers are already compatible with pc, so why not do that?

    Great minds think alike eh @triheadedmonkey!!

  • @legandj
    The player base / dead game argument is c**p & you know it!
    24 players per instance, so how will a small percentage (as i keep being told) of xbox players not in your matchmaking or in your server equate to a dead game. If it's usually just you & your gf & you don't pvp much, again, why do you care then?
    How many other crossplay games have died because of optional crossplay?? NONE!! They all do fine, if not better with crossplay as an option & most of the playerbase is happier as there is no unfair advantage offered to anyone unless they choose to play that way!

  • I second forcing controllers on PC players. Perhaps we need a new feedback topic for making the game controller-only :)

    Unless Rare is willing to give us optional cross-play, that is.

  • @shackelfourd said in Sea of Thieves is a Cross Platforming Masterpiece - Thank You Rare & Microsoft:


    RARE and Microsoft - THANK YOU!


    I can finally game with some of my friends and family that don’t play on PC!

    Sea of Thieves is the first real cross-platform game that has come out, that has truly bridged the gap between XBox and PC gamers. This has opened the door for all of our gaming circles, allowing for them to merge, and we absolutely couldn't be happier!

    Some players have expressed some frustration and discontent with cross-platforming; however, we are not among them. In fact our circle of 20 Plus friends and family that are now finally able to play together are absolutely stoked with what what RARE and Microsoft have done for us.

    It is such an awesome privilege and blessing to finally be able to play with friends and family regardless of what device we own or prefer to game on. We can't say enough to show our appreciation for taking the time to program the cross-platforming in and for making it all possible.

    You guys rock!

    The potential for our future as gamers, XBox and PC alike, is limitless! It's like the first real ceasefire between the console/pc war has been made, and a desperately desired treaty is about to finally be drafted. Hooray! Instead of arguing over which system is better, we can turn from enemies into gaming buddies!

    The only suggestion I have for the Devs, and/or Microsoft techs is to update the X-Box so that it can also be allowed to use a Keyboard and Mouse for Sea of Thieves. I can use an X-Box controller on my PC, thus it is only fair that the X-Box gamers should be able to use a mouse and keyboard too if they'd like.

    Either way - Thrilled at what you guys have created and we will continue to show our support as our circle of gaming friends continues to grow all because of you.

    Keep up the good work Rare!

    Shackelfourd - With Family and Friends
    "We'll see you on the Seas!"

    A privilege and blessing? Take it down a notch, dude.

  • @logansdadtoo The only mode I can play in gears 4 is social, the only mode with forced crossplay. Had they allowed opt out for that mode as they did with all other modes in the game, I would have an empty game. I don't think you understand, Steam is the XBL of the pc world. The MS store has an incredibly low player pool of PC gamers. Until this changes, crossplay needs to be forced.

  • @greaseman85
    Just makes you realise what a sad secluded life a lot of pc players must lead.
    He sounds like he's never played an online multiplayer game in his life before!
    Really makes me laugh!!

  • @greaseman85 said in Sea of Thieves is a Cross Platforming Masterpiece - Thank You Rare & Microsoft:

    I second forcing controllers on PC players. Perhaps we need a new feedback topic for making the game controller-only :)

    Unless Rare is willing to give us optional cross-play, that is.

    Honestly, that's fine with me. A controller only server option would be a perfectly reasonable compromise. I would at least know that I can always jump in and find a game.

  • @legandj
    And that would work fine for me also!
    Controller only servers would be a compromise for all, i'm glad we finally actually agreed on something ;)
    I'll be the 1st to admit, i am a grumpy, stubborn, argumentative so & so, but i will always fight for what i believe is right!!

    Well, i'll retract the last part of my reply after you decided to call me petty, prejudiced & sad.
    I have nothing else to say to you.
    Good day

  • @logansdadtoo Yep, lets champion for controller only servers then. Honestly, my only concern is having noone to play with. Controller only servers would be fine with me, in this and any other crossplay title. I used to be a console gamer in the 360 era, playing a lot of gears 1/2/3 and I miss those types of games. I would happily play with a controller in many games. I'm actually rockin the sea of thieves limited edition controller and I would welcome the opportunity to use it more. Sorry if I caused offence too, it's easy for things to get heated I guess.

    Saw your edit, I retracted that statement after I realised you were actually open to compromise, it was rude and I apologise.

    :)

  • @LogansDadToo

    I said before that you and I won't see eye to eye on this debate. You keep throwing around that PC players keep calling themselves the "m*********e" and that we treat you as "2nd rate citizens" but that is not at all true when it comes to this game. Sure you can find in everyday life people who use the term m*********e for PC, but on these forums, I have never addressed the issue of crossplay as a m*********e vs Console argument.

    You are always looking for a fight about crossplay and your argument always boils down to the same issue -

    when i'm solo i want to know i died because of a better skilled player, not because he has a mouse!

    As I have always said in our discussions that disabling crossplay should NEVER be an option. I have tried to give you the alternative options of providing Mouse and Keyboard support for those on Xbox that want it as well as improving controller sensitivity with a slider bar for the player's personal settings. I don't play on console (but I own one and pay for Xbox live gold), but controller fully customizable keybindings should also be available or at least allow the selection wheel to be customized by console players.

    These solutions would make the playing field more level for console players without sacrificing PC's playability in the game. (Others suggested downgrading PC graphics or POV or Sensitivity, which specifically hurts one to improve the other, which I am against.) Every solution that I provide you shoot down. Your only goal is to drive the already existent wedge between gamers deeper.

    If games never had a disable crossplay option what would you do? Would you never play video games again? Would you build yourself a PC?

    As a PC gamer I want things level so players can not complain about one being better than the other. In the past, I was excluded from playing games like Halo, Grand Theft Auto, and games now like Destiny 2 and Monster Hunter World because they come to PC Months (MHW is almost 1 year) later and many spoilers are out. All games should be crafted and created equally. PC games from here forward should be developed for consoles too. Open this gaming world up to all players, even the competitive ones. Rare has done beautifully at this and putting in an option to disable it disrupts what they have accomplished. It does need improvement, but why shackle what has been done to break down the barrier by putting the same wall back up.

    I think one of the biggest critics of cross play says something very interesting.

    when i'm solo i want to know i died because of a better skilled player, not because he has a mouse! - LogansDadToo

    I take this as that even this player does not know if someone is on mouse and keyboard. There is doubt in their mind that they will never get resolved because they honestly cannot tell if a player is on the PC or on the Console. They can only justify it that "someone has an advantage" and that skill plays no part in it.

    The thing is that Rare has done a great job that the everyday player can not tell if someone is mouse and keyboard unless they ask.

  • @legandj
    Ok, i'm for that!
    Apology accepted, i also apologise if i said anything out of line!

  • @logansdadtoo @triheadedmonkey
    What is it with Xbox players and "being forced" to do anything?
    If you have a choice, you are not forced.
    Giving MKB support to Xbox does not force anybody to do anything. It gives you the CHOICE to play with either device.
    You are not forced to play this game.
    You are not forced to use MKB if it comes to Xbox.

    Just stop with that forced [Mod edited] already.

  • What is with PC players and their inability to understand why consoles exist, and that we don't want them to be turned into PC-lite?

  • @nebenkuh are you going to buy me a keyboard and mouse for my Xbox?

  • @greaseman85
    They already are. Consoles are computers with a limited operating system. That's it.
    Why do you not want to have a CHOICE?

    @triheadedmonkey
    Why would I?

  • @nebenkuh then why would I have to buy one?

    Having a choice to use either device, implies I have both. I don't. So I don't have the choice.

  • @nightmare247365
    Go back through the crossplay discussion threads m8 & see how many times console users are put down by 'elitists' (or so they think!).
    It riles me up when pc players call console users peasants, casual gamers & many other derogatory terms, hence why i retaliate with the 'm*********e' jibe!

    Most console players don't want to use a kb+m, we want to use the controller that came with the console, just as console players have done for the last 30yrs!! So adding kb+m support doesn't solve the issue + it would also mean extra expense for the console player, so again forced into something!
    As just mentioned above, why don't all the pc players (there are less PC than there are xbox players) purchase controllers & use them. PC already have controller support, xbox doesn't have kb+m support.
    Would you be happy with purchasing a controller & being forced to use that if you want to play with xbox players?
    Controller only servers would do the same, nothing stopping all the pc players purchasing a controller to make it fair for the console users & it wouldn't split the playerbase by xbox/pc then would it.

    I can take an educated guess at who is using kb+m, it's not too hard to distinguish between them. As you seem to keep forgetting i own & play on my pc as well. This is how i can tell there is an advantage!

    @nightmare247365 said in Sea of Thieves is a Cross Platforming Masterpiece - Thank You Rare & Microsoft:

    I have tried to give you the alternative options of providing Mouse and Keyboard support for those on Xbox that want it as well as improving controller sensitivity with a slider bar for the player's personal settings. I don't play on console (but I own one and pay for Xbox live gold), but controller fully customizable keybindings should also be available or at least allow the selection wheel to be customized by console players.

    And here we have the usual response, buy a kb+m!!
    Yep, that really solves the issue!
    You can talk about me in 3rd person all you like, just seems odd to do so whilst you are actually replying to me!

    & finally, you put this 'I don't play on console' so how do you know whether or not there is an issue then?
    I know because i play on both!!

  • @triheadedmonkey
    You have the choice to buy one, like anybody else.
    You can't possibly be serious right now.

  • @shackelfourd This guy gets it. We beg for Cross Platform Play for decades and when we finally get it people spit in the face of Rare. Thank you Rare for being awesome.

  • @nebenkuh
    If i want to play this game i am FORCED to play with pc players who have an advantage.
    There, not too difficult to understand is it?

    So if crossplay doesn't become an option i either carry on being forced to play disadvantaged against pc players or if i want to play on level terms with a pc player then i will be forced to buy a kb+m.

    If you don't like it, don't reply!
    No one is FORCING you too ;)

  • @themalthezzar
    Most people wanted crossplay between consoles as that would make sense & be fair. PC wouldn't normally give consoles the time of day!
    MS wanted crossplay with PC as they make more $$$$$$, not console users!!

  • @nebenkuh so 'Pony up' or get rolled? doesn't seem like a choice that is in my favour either way, which is why I asked if you were paying on my behalf. Otherwise, I am either disadvantaged due to my device 'choice' or I am disadvantaged financially.

  • @LogansDadToo one of your posts has been deleted as it argumentative and combative.

    Please be reminded of the Pirate Code and the Forum Rules when interacting with the community on the Forums.

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