TDMers Ruin This Game

  • JazZach
    Rogue

    I know I know. You've played this game for 5k hours and you've heard this a million times...

    Well here, let me say it again for the rest of us non-sweats. PvP SUCKS in this game when it could be AWESOME. I don't care what the meta is at high level. I don't care what the counters are. I'm TIIIRRRRREEEEDDDD of searching for PvP only to get repeated board attempts and no Naval. It's actually gotten to the point where most players willing to PvP at all WILL ONLY TDM and we need to discourage this, hell, make it outright infeasible at anything but EXTREMELY high skill levels. But here, lemme explain what I mean.

    Today I log on to play this game. My goal? Play hourglass until I win 2 in a row, get reaper V, and then hunt emissaries. I take a couple quick losses to players with their curses before I get a match at my level. If this game wasn't such a chore to play there would be more players and the matchmaking would be better but fine. Gotta learn somehow.

    Finally I get an opponent who seemingly has a life. Except.... He refuses to naval me at all. He will only try to board and will not take a Naval fight. He turns out for a parallel every time I come in for a spiral. It's literally 15 minutes of this before I finally land a couple of lucky chains and win. Well, that sucked but at least I won. Dive again. Different guy, still at my skill level, SAME THING. Will not naval, only tries to board, turns out for parallels, wont take a spiral. Why am I playing this game if I never get to actually have a Naval battle and why is he playing this game and not COD? But cool, another 15 minutes of utter garbage gameplay and I finally land a couple chains and sink the guy. I got my reaper 5 now lets hunt some emissaries. I find a guy. He looks like he's willing to fight! I land a couple shots, he turns out, fine THE CHASE IS ON, at least I got a minute of naval combat finally. I chase him for a sec to see if he turns back in once he repairs. He instead beaches his boat and proceeds to do nothing but try to board me yet again. I could've won but I just alt-f4'd right there. I do not play a boat game, to play a FPS game. I acknowledge that this game has an FPS element, and I am willing to play it SOME, but when it is the only way anyone will fight what's the point?

    We'll see how I feel tomorrow but this is probably another uninstall for me. I've tried this game many times over the years and every time it's a similar experience. After a couple of days I always realize that I am getting very little of what I enjoy from this game. Please nerf boarding. Please make hourglass not suck. Please give people some reason to fight me with their boat. KTHXBAI prolly.

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  • Nyx NG8330
    Rogue

    Id assume your playing solo, apparently the solo hourglass meta is board-kill-sail them out of bounds- spawn kill till they sink....

  • Capt Greldik
    Master

    @jazzach

    Assuming you’re solo, traps are quite effective against someone who isn’t trying to shoot you with cannons. Players who solely try to board typically have base supplies so they won’t be tossing many blunder bombs on on their way up. You could keep each side trapped the entire match and improve your chances of killing the boarder as they’re mostly immobilized for a few seconds.

    Playing anything other than solo will also reduce the players who try to board and nothing else, but you’ll still of course get boarded, perhaps just as frequently.

    To be fair, nobody guaranteed you naval battles. A TDMer could just as rightfully so complain about those who only naval.

    I’m better at naval so i favor that, but over time I’ve improved with my weapons and am more willing to board, and am way better at defending against boarders.

  • JazZach
    Rogue

    @nyx-ng8330 Can confirm, it's all anyone tries to do. Even if they're bad. It completely defeats the purpose of even having a boat. We should just spawn in a TDM arena and fight it out that way at this point.

  • JazZach
    Rogue

    @capt-greldik It's not about countering it. I won those two matches afterall. It's that it's all I ever get to play against. I literally never get a good naval fight. Folks just want to board repeatedly. Maybe starting hourglass players with a set amount of supplies that's higher than the default amount would help. I do not know. I am not a game designer. What I do know is PvP in this game sucks if you are interested in naval.

  • Capt Greldik
    Master

    @jazzach said in TDMers Ruin This Game:

    @capt-greldik It's not about countering it. I won those two matches afterall. It's that it's all I ever get to play against. I literally never get a good naval fight. Folks just want to board repeatedly. Maybe starting hourglass players with a set amount of supplies that's higher than the default amount would help. I do not know. I am not a game designer. What I do know is PvP in this game sucks if you are interested in naval.

    I play solo hg a few times a week. Probably about half of my matches are those seeking to board only, so I am getting some good naval fights. Try finding someone to duo with, you’ll still get boarders but you’ll also almost guaranteed get naval. I have great naval a fights with duo. The official discord lfg always has pirates from different regions seeking crew mates. It can be a dice roll and admittedly I haven’t done it much, but at least you can feel your teammate out a bit in discord prior to committing.

  • JazZach
    Rogue

    @capt-greldik It would be great to find a partner near my skill level but that is extremely hard (I've tried). Anyone bad like me, is 9x/10 just looking for someone to chat with while we lose. They're not looking to learn. They're not going to be communicating effectively. And they're probably not going to put in many reps before I'm searching for another partner. I could find someone way above my skill level but in my experience they either A: wouldn't dare play with a scrub like me B: will play with me because they're SO good that they just immediately board the opponent and I learn nothing or C: are a completely unbearable person because they play SoT 5+hrs a day.

    Plus, I do not wanna spend half my time searching for teammates. I want to log in, get some good reps in where I actually learn something, and then go on about my day.

    Blah, this game's definitely getting uninstalled sorry for even posting I just needed to rant I guess. I want to play this game but it is just too poorly designed. Hope yall have found some fun in SoT. I definitely have not so I'ma go find another game to play. o/

  • MisereNZ
    Captain
    Insider

    Have you tried safer seas?

  • BurnBacon
    Vanguard
    Insider

    Harpoons and Grapple are your friend sometimes.
    Traps are a must and try getting your hands on a Cannon of Rage, face forward and fire :P

  • Capt Greldik
    Master

    @jazzach said in TDMers Ruin This Game:

    @capt-greldik It would be great to find a partner near my skill level but that is extremely hard (I've tried). Anyone bad like me, is 9x/10 just looking for someone to chat with while we lose. They're not looking to learn. They're not going to be communicating effectively. And they're probably not going to put in many reps before I'm searching for another partner. I could find someone way above my skill level but in my experience they either A: wouldn't dare play with a scrub like me B: will play with me because they're SO good that they just immediately board the opponent and I learn nothing or C: are a completely unbearable person because they play SoT 5+hrs a day.

    Plus, I do not wanna spend half my time searching for teammates. I want to log in, get some good reps in where I actually learn something, and then go on about my day.

    Blah, this game's definitely getting uninstalled sorry for even posting I just needed to rant I guess. I want to play this game but it is just too poorly designed. Hope yall have found some fun in SoT. I definitely have not so I'ma go find another game to play. o/

    Good luck out there.

  • Avatar8655
    Rogue

    @miserenz said in TDMers Ruin This Game:

    Have you tried safer seas?
    Have you tried reading the post? He's complaining about not having enath naval. Not about fighting in general.

  • HiradC
    Lord
    Insider

    It's a valid strategy, you're both trying to force the encounter to suit your own strength and playstyle. Whining that people who enjoy the game have no life will not get your point across.

  • Ghostfire1981
    Vanguard
    Insider

    If you are doing sloop against sloop (solos or not), its almost impossible to sink if the crew knows what its doing. One player can easily keep the sloop floating by just bucketing a couple of times and fix a hole and so on. If both crews know what they are doing, it will be a never ending battle. So to end the battle, boarding and killing the crew is the best (and perhaps the only thing to do) to sink a sloop. One could argue that you can kill the other crew with cannonballs, but a good bailer/fixer stays hidden from cannonballs at all time by staying under deck or buckets water from the stair downstairs. So battling in sloops, needs a boarding (or a very bad crew, who do not know how to keep it floating) for someone to sink.

    Same thing (kind of) goes with the brig, a good crew can keep the ship floating, but at one point there are too many holes for one crew member to keep it floating. The galleon again is the only ship that can "easily" be taken out with enough holes, as at some point everyone needs to bucket if there are lots of holes on middle deck and the lower hold is filled with water. The sloop again is the only ship that can be held above water with more or less all holes it can have.

    So a long answer, for why boarding is the "only" way to sink sloops.

  • PotatoSord
    Marauder
    Insider

    Kill them when they board but also keep your boats close, then lay into it. You will probably have to board as well to make sure they can't repair and bail. Even when you do naval, it's rare to have a match where you win with solely naval, you usually will have to board them to make sure they can't repair.

  • Thamb0
    Master
    Insider

    Saying TDMers ruin this game is crazy cope. Sure, you don't like the boarding strategy, but crashing out over how others play is crazy. People, myself included, sometimes just board in HG to fight and sail players out, because HG is extremely stale and it's fun to try new things. Rare gave us a harpoon gun, so we decide to use it. Blame them. We've already been doing the same naval battles for years in HG. Sure, I still enjoy naval, but sometimes it's just fun to mess around and get some fights in. And, I did over a dozen games yesterday in HG and only had one person try the board only method, so you're ranting with only anecdotal evidence.
    In reality, it's not that hard to fight players who just want to board.. You sail straight at them, blunder them off the ladder, snipe them, and then take out their mast while they're at the ferry...
    What we really need is more game modes or an extensive HG overhaul, but Rare will never because it would require too much work for them to go back and actually update something they released.
    I'd love to see multi-ship combat, like a LMS HG, and of course lots of people want a KoTH/TDM island mode. But those will probably never happen.

  • Rare Jumbie
    Commander
    Insider

    Traps and Blunderbombs are real friends here. Players who consistently try to board are probably also lower on supplies than you are and it's in your best interest to position your boat in a way that you can cannon theirs while they are off their ship. I am generally WAY happier when I see players trying to board me in solo hourglass because with the right positioning you can really hurt them. Keep yourself well fed as well as many of these players are suspiciously good at sniping from the water.

  • Boneheart1237
    Marauder
    Insider

    16 posts holy cungadero this got lit up like a Christmas tree 😭

  • Nohr Tenko
    Seafarer

    As someone who prefers boarding, I'm sorry, it's just more effective in most cases. I know it sucks for that to be the case in a game where one of the big features is the boats and naval combat, but there are only so many options (especially in solo sloops) where I can effectively naval-only someone.

    Chain-Shots are obviously the big naval winner, but I personally suck at landing those because I've been so conditioned to shoot the enemy cannon and you only get so many of those. You land cannon ball hits on someone and they run away to repair (it is the safest option after all) or even when you're both trading shots, sloops seems to be very easy to manage when it comes to keeping them afloat. Getting a lucky one-ball on a pirate themselves, while nice, isn't something I can consistently do either.

    Landing 2 or 3 shots and then boarding for spawnkills and anchors on people just seems to be the best way to go.

    The only real option I can think of is just making your boat unboardable for your opponent, traps, blunderbuss, blunder-bombs, but even then, there's no garuntee your opponent will get the message. I hope your SoT experience gets better!

  • JazZach
    Rogue

    @nohr-tenko Eh, I played a couple games today and just uninstalled. This isn't a boat game. It's a FPS with horrible hitreg, gameplay, and balance. Sorry for the rage. I just really wish this was actually a boat game but it quite simply isn't, at least until you're insanely good. There's no way to force a boat fight against someone who wants to just avoid naval and repeatedly board without insanely good cannons and with how little cannons I get to actually fire (because everyone is avoiding the boat fights), I'm not going to be able to develop that skill in any sort of reasonable time. I'd play this game every day if it was setup for more engaging combat out the gate but when the only way people will engage bypasses the naval entirely it ruins the fun for a newer player trying to learn. Either way thanks for the input and I hope y'all are having more fun on the seas than I did. o/

  • PotatoSord
    Marauder
    Insider

    @jazzach Unless they're landing boarding deck shots constantly, which is unlikely, just ladder guard better. Most TDM spammers don't use grapple so if you knock them off the ladder once they have to merm back, giving you time to attack their boat. Using traps at the top of the ladder is good too because then they can't jump so they can't leave the helm area.

  • JazZach
    Rogue

    Just to be clear (in case this gets any attention from someone who can do something about it). I've said multiple times it's not a problem of countering it. I can counter it in the sense that I can keep people from boarding me most of the time. The problem is the gameplay it creates is not fun and it's a LARGE majority of my fights. It leads to a situation where I am repeatedly keeping them off my boat but only get short passes on their boat because they immediately sail out to go for another board. It's a majority of the PvP. Very rarely do I get a situation where my opponent accepts a spiral and takes a naval fight. 9/10 times they never take the naval fight in the first place, constantly sail away, and will only attempt to board me. I can keep them from boarding, but it drags the fights out forever and the fight usually ends after 30 minutes of this garbage gameplay when I finally get a lucky pass and snap their mast at which point they usually only rep mast until they get the reset or sink. It's just not fun for me, and I would imagine many others feel the same way. Hopefully this changes one day and Naval combat is the primary way to PvP. Until then SoT will remain uninstalled.

  • ItzEggward
    Marauder
    Insider

    @jazzach if you can't sink the players with base curses who apparently "don't have lives" (curses have been out for over a year) but don't want to deal with the bad players who only want to parallel then you won't have any fun in solo hg. I'd suggest learning from your first losses and play to your strengths. As for tdmers just blunderbomb/ladder guard them and place ur boat infront of their unmanned vessel for easy chains.

  • ItzEggward
    Marauder
    Insider

    @jazzach I'm going to take ur word that truely the majority of your fights are tdmers, if so thats boring i agree. I suggest getting a free vpn to travel to other stamps with better fights. I have not experienced this many tdmers in any of the NA regions, but New York, Dallas and Virginia are probably the best. If you play on EU or OCE i can't really help but try it anyway to get off dead stamps with the same tdmers.

  • LegendOnion
    Rogue

    I agree every hourglass was cannons are s### board and kill thats how you win. We need something to block or at least cover the ladders while we attack so we can at least have a REAL navel battle like hourglass is supposed to be. Instead of "Oh hey I put OnE ball into thEM nOW i CaN bOaRD aNd GuARd tHE F###ING hOle and MaKe ThEm sInK" it really hard when they spawn camp AND force you to sink and then go on the yap about how much skill they have when they did nothing

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