Captain Authority Must Be Ruling

@saltypetre-i

It's part of the Pirate Code:

All Crewmates Are Equal
Let each crewmate be respected as equal and free to follow their own bearing, speak openly and vote in affairs of the voyage.

Also, this can be abused, for example a captain could kick a person out of his crew before turning in or defeating a Shrouded Ghost &c and let a friend join in their place.

This is why a grand majority of players avoid open crew, vehemently - too many clowns that want to ruin everyone's fun. Far more fun/easier to join/invite crew members from the SoT discord.

Close crew. Problem solved and only allow pirates you invite.

@saltypetre-i said in Captain Authority Must Be Ruling:

But that's not a solution for a problem.
To just do something else...

@saltypetre-i That’s probably the best advice you’ll get here. The trolls you’re talking about are likely 90% of the people in this forum 🤣

Solution to a problem is always the answer already given.

Stop spawn camping. You got the tool, scuttle
Stop trolls spawning in your open crew, close your crew and invite

It really is that simple.

This is exactly the reason I never do open crew.
Cheaters, trolls, "ungabunga must try steal event" morons who will keep fighting and dying for it, even though we could easily get twice the amount of loot in the meantime.
I am so done with pvp after grinding LSD and both curses, I just want to chill.

Captain's vote should count as 2, period. Until then, closed crew.

@lem0n-curry That is the risk you should be accepting by joining someone else's boat.

@adara-haze said in Captain Authority Must Be Ruling:

@lem0n-curry That is the risk you should be accepting by joining someone else's boat.

I doubt there would be many players who would, after getting kicked out after a few hours in a session, join an open crew Captained ship again.

Resulting in open crew having over some time less players joining than Arena or Hour glass.

Getting trolled isn't fun, but AFAIK that mostly happens at the start of a session, so you didn't waste that much time.

Report them, it won't help you in that session, but hopefully it will help other crews and your own in the future.

As your previous post indicates, it won't only be used for removing a pirate that is grieffing, but also when there is a difference in opinion on how to continue the session. I'm sure there will also be power hungry captains who kick people for putting a ball in the wrong barrel, taking too much time for a toilet break, not having a certain load-out, accidentally hurting the captain with a blunder bomb, burning a Trophy fish, having a pet running around or because they "wasted" a bone caller or good fruit on a PvE event or whatever they feel justified in doing.

@saltypetre-i said in Captain Authority Must Be Ruling:

It didn't happens 3 years ago, now it happens all the time.

Yeah it happened 3 yrs ago, pretty sure it happened before that too.

Can't say I'm a fan of open crew.

@guildar9194 said in Captain Authority Must Be Ruling:

I can't say my friends and I ever tried it, but I don't think you can friendly-fire your fellow crew members unless you use explosives.

At least once, every crew member I know has blown up that keg up the top of the main mast when someone else is up there. LOL

@saltypetre-i

Unfortunately your wishes have and will always fall upon deaf ears because what you're proposing goes against the core concept of the game; the founding principle upon which the entire premise springs from:

Personal freedom to play how you want.

No one gets to control what you do or how you do it. If you want to be a chaos troll or murder hobo, you have the right to do that. Everyone may HATE you for it, but that is irrelevant. Open crew, for better or worse (almost always worse), is the perfect representation of that. You want players who play the same way you do, that have the same values you do? You pick 'em from Discords or message boards that are designed for that explicit purpose.

You keep stubbornly insisting to play Open Crew, you open yourself up to the risks of doing so. Simple as that. It's not gonna change.

Basically, if you keep sticking your forks into the power outlet, everyone's gonna keep laughing at your audacity for writing angry letters to the electric company demanding that you stop getting shocked.

@saltypetre-i said in Captain Authority Must Be Ruling:

@smuntface

Right blowing up a keg, by accident is funny!

But there's something about doing it on purpose after grinding for 5 hours and going back to port,
and some new guy comes in, and thinks it's funny to sink the ship that way. This happened once in my case.

You could have closed the crew when someone left (or before that); risking the loot of 5 hours grinding is never a smart idea - whether it's getting attacked by another crew or getting griefed by someone who just joined your crew. I doubt a person who also invested several hours would do this.

But the coming in and killing members with fire bottles and putting the ship ablaze happens at least a few times a week.

I'm kind of disheartened to read some of the replies here. Like "just don't join open crew".
I can come back with that and say, "just fix the problem". And one proposal is giving the captain more rights.
If according to the pirate code all crew members are equal, then why we have a captain position??

If a captain abuses his power, obviously the crew can vote a new captain, and give a rating that sets a reputation for the captain.
That way we have good and bad pirates. I don't see how that is a wrong train of thought.

So, a captain kicks out a player - how are they supposed to vote for a new one as they are no longer part of the crew ?
If on a Brig the third person doesn't have enough votes to replace the captain; trying to get crew member #3 and #4 of a Galleon to vote for another captain will probably result in the captain removing at least one other before they can decide who'll be the next person in charge.

They also will lose the ability to turn in at the Sovereigns, as the ship is no longer the same and no longer captained; there is no feature to switch to another ship in the game. Besides, the new captain can remove the only person left and invite their friends instead or keep the loot just for themselves.

What if two friends (or two strangers who like trolling) are in an open crew with another as captain ? They can remove the captaincy of him and the forums will have posts about people not earning milestones for their ship they set sail on (if the former captain isn't removed by the new one) or they're getting trolled on their own ship.

Rating by players will be abused; just have a few friends vote for "good captain" so they can lure you in and remove you from the crew after a couple of hours. This will be far worse than have them at the start of your session throwing firebombs. If it's an alt-account, they just start a new account if they get several negative votes.

I suggested much the same thing, long before captaincy was a thing

It's all very well to quote Article 4 of the Pirate's Code, but neglect to mention Article 5:

Those who betray their crew and ship through griefing or trolling shall be sent to the brig.

That's fine on a brig or galleon with a full crew, but it does not work on a sloop. Indeed, the brig on a sloop was removed!

A captain should be able to:

• Brig anyone without a vote
• Choose voyages without a vote
• Have the respect of a crew such that when he calls for sails to be raised, it happens, and not have the crew fishing or playing music.
• Maroon a crew member on an island (without a mermaid to rejoin the ship)

When choosing to "Charter a Ship" and select OPEN CREW, there should further be options to:

• Join a already-loaded captained ship; understanding and accepting the power of the captain
• Join a ship which has no captain, where all crew members have equal power and voting rights

If you want to be the captain of a OPEN CREW, select "My Ships", and start from there.

@guildar9194

Article 4 does talk about the crew getting a vote. But Article 5 says "Those who betray their crew and ship through griefing or trolling shall be sent to the brig." and that was always impossible on a sloop, or any ship with only two crew-members. Why is Article 4 more important?

And why can't the code be updated to reflect captaincy? Article 4 could be changed to read:

Let each crewmate be respected as equal and free to follow their own bearing, and speak openly. Let each vote in affairs of the voyage, unless they have chosen to join a captained ship.

You say:

Hell, the role of Captain was usually voted on, limits on his power was set via vote, and the Captain would change.

Read my original post on that! (which was written before captaincy was a thing) It also discusses what marooning would mean. It would provide an alternative method of punishing griefers on a sloop where the brig no longer exists. They would still enjoy the spoils of the voyage as a brig'd crewmember does, but be able to run around and explore, which would be less boring.

In Settings we have a section called "Captain's Permissions".

In there, is a single option: "Allow Crew to Customise Your Ship": YES/NO

Why not add another? "Allow Crew to Vote on Voyages/Brigging". YES/NO

The default setting could be "YES" (as is the status quo) but if you join a crew of a ship whose captain has set that to "NO", you could be warned you are joining the crew of a ship whose captain's word is law. Or have another setting that says something like "Do not join ships with autocratic captains"|

Such a scheme would allow for all tastes.

@guildar9194

You say:

They could basically say "You are stuck on that island, and I won't turn anything in until you leave."
And since the player is marooned; He can't even turn in the loot himself. He's stuck on a stupid island, and his only choice is to DC and forfeit his share of the loot.

The same applies to players in the brig. The rest of the crew CAN say "You are stuck in the brig, and we won't turn anything in until you leave."

At least, if marooned on an island, you have the opportunity to explore, beg for help from passing ships, collect fruit and supplies, re-arm yourself (if there is an ammo crate), and choose to risk a swim to another island or outpost. (If you are marooned and die, I would assume you respawn on last land you were on)

Let's make it an OPTION! I would happily sail on a Open Crew with a captain, and accept their rule.