I only played this game because a friend of mine insisted so much that they bought me game pass for a month to try it with them, because I knew already that this game doesn't have an option to turn off PVP. Sea of Thieves has a reputation for being toxic as hell and unfun, which was entirely the case for us too as we played. I'm never going to buy this game, not unless PVP can be turned off. There's already NPC threats out there with the giant sea monsters and NPC ships - why is that not good enough for the devs? It's good enough for me and my friends. Not being able to turn PVP is an accessibility issue that locks out many disabled players who won't have the same reaction times as other real people. It causes unnecessary stress and anxiety. And the real people who attack others without mercy are often horribly racist, homophobic, transphobic, and otherwise nasty people. Real pirates throughout history were the disabled ones, the gay ones, the minorities, the ones who were cast out and forced into a lifestyle of rebelling and stealing to survive, so why are these kinds of people being shoved out of this game?
This game is killing itself by not allowing players to play with just friends or alone. PVP should be an option, not a forced condiiton.
@mongoose8256 said in This game is killing itself by not allowing players to play with just friends or alone. PVP should be an option, not a forced condiiton.:
PVP is an accessibility issue that locks out many disabled players
aye, pvp is an accessibility issue. coming from my perspective as a deaf player, the gap between hearing and not hearing is ridiculously huge. I find no fun in being one shot by [mod edit] that can hear my every movement and location whilst I can't, can't even board to have a fair fight because they camp the ladder like skilless losers.
If the issue is that the devs think people would get rich too fast cause it's too easy, then why not have the game loot rebalanced for the nonPVP mode? Or why not have the PVP loot and nonPVP loot separated to only apply to that specific mode? There's no good answer for continuing to force PVP on everyone
@bun-e-hopps And me and my friend had players swim up and board our ship without our knowing to throw bombs before fighting us - that seems to be a favorite method of PVPers. It really doesn't give deaf, partially blind, and even just new players figuring things out a chance
@mongoose8256 said in This game is killing itself by not allowing players to play with just friends or alone. PVP should be an option, not a forced condiiton.:
@bun-e-hopps And me and my friend had players swim up and board our ship without our knowing to throw bombs before fighting us - that seems to be a favorite method of PVPers. It really doesn't give deaf, partially blind, and even just new players figuring things out a chance
indeed, lost count the amount of times I am on my wheel and have another player stood right next to me and able to kill me with one shot before shouting toxic remarks at me because there is no in game method to know he is there outside of hearing him, fed up of it tbh.
I've been told that the reason for not having PVP is that the game was originally made without accessibility in mind, the same thing that is causing disabled players in Disney Dreamlight Valley to suffer and boycott, so coding it to have PVP be optional would be too much work. So why not do that work? The developers are the ones who shot themselves in the foot by not having this option from the get go, they should be putting in the work to fix their mistake.
@mongoose8256 There are good answers for keeping the PvPvE core design of the game, you just don't care because you're too focus on what you want and cannot see the bigger picture.
This subject has been beaten to death after years of new players trying the game to find out it wasn't designed for them. Instead of either playing one that is or changing their outlook, they rather see the game changed for them.
The devs have answered, respect their answer.
@grog-minto And as a disabled player, I have countered their answer. Their answer is not good enough. The bigger picture is that disabled gamers are continually thought of as an add-on feature to game when a game is finished instead of having accessibility built in from the start, causing this mess again and again.
@mongoose8256 You ask to be able to turn off players interaction, which is the concept at the core of the design. There isn't a good enough reason for that.
@grog-minto Discrimination of disabled and minority players is a good enough reason. The game not including us at the core of their design is their fault and their responsibility to fix.
@mongoose8256 the game is doing just fine and has been doing so for over 5 years no while all the vocal minority that doesn’t like the pvp aspect keeps making posts like this usually with false narratives like yours. There have been posts like these for 5 years saying that the game is dying because of this however its still alive and kicking. There isn’t a single game in the world that will be able to make everybody happy with everything it has and in case of sea of thieves if you dont like pvp… well then this just isnt the game for you.
I have over 5.5k hours in the game so i have pretty much seen it all, i play the game fully, meaning pve and pvp and while yes there are people that focus on pvp which are will spew slurs the most encounters i have had to report due to slurs and the like being spewn where people that got very salty about being attacked.
The game has been designed with pvp at its core the main loss condition is other players.
Anyway, the devs have been very clear about it, pvp is just as much here to stay as pve is and pve only servers will not happen at least not with any sort of progression enabled.
Discrimination of disabled and minority players is a good enough reason. The game not including us at the core of their design is their fault and their responsibility to fix.
And if you run into people that discriminate, shout racial slurs or whatever, they will get banned outright as long as proof is attached.
And there is also the option of you muting the other players both vocally and their text chat, meaning that any sort of discrimination would not even be heard
Everybody can play the game, some accessibility issue have arrisen over the years and they have been dealt with. However “the game having pvp” is not an accessibility issue it is one of the core game designs and there is no need for the devs to change that because its right on the marketing other players are here and they can be hostile and sink you. If you dont like that, move along alot of other different games in the world.
I am not going to complain about pubg being a battle royal and make claims left and right that they have to change that because i cant play battle royals for whatever reason. I just dont play the game.
Also you have played this game for a total of 18.5 hours since the 9th of may i think you need to have alot more experience in it before you start to be able to make blanket statements like the ones you made in your OP
@callmebackdraft That vocal minority is always going to be a minority because no one will listen to us disabled players, literally every PVP toggle request has comments turned off and a redirecting to a masterpost that also has comments turned off. They are actively silencing us, so many players have given up. This is not a sign of a thriving game. It's players exactly like you with 5k hours in the game that make it so hard for us. I have 18 hours in the game BECAUSE I refuse to buy it for the exact reason I've been stating this whole time. In disabled social circles this game is grumbled about and warned about for good reason. They dropped the ball not including accessibility from the beginning of the game's development
@mongoose8256 said in This game is killing itself by not allowing players to play with just friends or alone. PVP should be an option, not a forced condiiton.:
@grog-minto Discrimination of disabled and minority players is a good enough reason. The game not including us at the core of their design is their fault and their responsibility to fix.
In what way are you discriminated against by the game beside it not being designed for you to be on an even playing field with everyone else ? It isn't doable imo and only allowing such games to release would shrink the design space for games way too much. A game with PvP in it where a blind player, a deaf player, a player with only one hand and a player without disabilities are on an even playing field would be extremely difficult to make interesting for the wider audience.
@grog-minto By allowing us to play without PVP. It doesn't shrink the game, it adds to it. It would open the game to a MUCH wider audience including people with less time on their hands to play games, younger players, older players, inexperienced console players, more casual game players, new players - not just the ones experiencing discrimination.
@mongoose8256 said in This game is killing itself by not allowing players to play with just friends or alone. PVP should be an option, not a forced condiiton.:
@callmebackdraft That vocal minority is always going to be a minority because no one will listen to us disabled players.
is that so ? then why did they add colour blindness mode,?
why did they add high contrast mode on dig maps for people with low vision
why did they add reduce hold settings for people that have trouble holding down buttonsand so many more things: https://www.seaofthieves.com/accessibility
However some lines have to be drawn, some request dont have to be followed like trying to request the community to be split on one of the core design factors of the game.
literally every PVP toggle request has comments turned off and a redirecting to a masterpost that also has comments turned off.
this was done because the debate is over, they are not going to change it, it is of no use to keep bringing it up over and over again (its called beating a dead horse) it also has nothing to do with disabilities the vocal minority i am talking about is the vocal minority that want PvE only in general.
They are actively silencing us, so many players have given up.
you should look up what "vocal minority" means
This is not a sign of a thriving game. It's players exactly like you with 5k hours in the game that make it so hard for us.
no the sign of a thriving game is them still developing free content updates for it over 5 years down the line with no plans of stopping it, if it wasnt succesfull any sort of funding would be pulled by microsoft or the head honchos at RARE. and all the data shows this game is being played alot by alot of people, and me and players like me that put alot of time in are the problem ? who is trying to make it personal now ? yeah not me, YOU
I have 18 hours in the game BECAUSE I refuse to buy it for the exact reason I've been stating this whole time.
you have 18 hours in 5 days (you first played date on this account is the 9th of may) thats over 3, almost 4 hours per day on average.
In disabled social circles this game is grumbled about and warned about for good reason.
what sort of accesibility do you expect.... what you are asking for is not accesibility it is a change to the CORE idea of the game, this would mean that the developers are not allowed to implement their own vision into the game and ALL games should pander to everyone and there wouldnt be any PvP games, there wouldnt be any games that had scifi elements because it would go against religion etc etc.
like i said, you arte basicly asking for PubG to remove the battle royale aspect of their game by asking Rare to split the game up between PvE and PvP it is a PvEvP game at its core, it was on of their main design goals.
and you are trying to make false equivilancies to try and get your point accross, which is not really working all that well. there is enough disabled people playing this game that have been very happy with it ranging from blind people to people with anxiety for water.
but in it seems to me, that whatever your disability would be would have to be changed about the game, so if you where deathly affraid of the sea and oceans you would want all of that removed due to making the game accesible.
They dropped the ball not including accessibility from the beginning of the game's development
they dropped the ball by making their vision ? a vision in which player interaction in any way shape or form would form peoples experiences, be it getting attacked or forming that server wide alliance ?
Be a good sport. Sea of Thieves is a pirate game, and stealth, stealing and battles are all part of the fun. All pirates on the seas accept that, but be a good sportsman in both victory and loss.
source: https://www.seaofthieves.com/code-of-conduct
yes it is always an online game and there will always be some bad actors that use this to be racist, discriminatory or whatever over comms however they have made a hard stance on that any report against a person like that with proof will get the bad actor banned outright.
@mongoose8256 said in This game is killing itself by not allowing players to play with just friends or alone. PVP should be an option, not a forced condiiton.:
AGAIN reminder that I am not here for random people to argue with
Then don't reply. This is a forum, everyone else has exactly as much right to voice their opinion on the topic as you do. Someone disagreeing does not reduce the feedback you've given, and it really isn't up to you whether or not others have something to say as well.
@mongoose8256 reminder that you are on a PUBLIC forum designed to hold debates
Definition of “forum”:
a meeting or medium where ideas and views on a particular issue can be exchanged.
You can put it in as a accessibility request (they have means to do so in the link about accessibility i shared earlier)
However i do already know the answer
@eldritchbear I'm aware that this is a forum thank you. I don't wish to counter every bullet point of 5k hour tryhards who argue to continue exploiting easy kills. I want to hear from other disabled players ideally
@mongoose8256 said in This game is killing itself by not allowing players to play with just friends or alone. PVP should be an option, not a forced condiiton.:
@eldritchbear I'm aware that this is a forum thank you. I don't wish to counter every bullet point of 5k hour tryhards who argue to continue exploiting easy kills. I want to hear from other disabled players ideally
Wow make it personal why dont you, and try to make a strawman that i “exploit “easy kills” and that i like that.
I let most sailors live especially when i see they are new(er) to the game.
