PvE Mode NEEDS to Happen

@wyvrax im not even going to read this wall of text. The devs have said no, several times. if you do not like pvp please go play something else.

I am confused, in the story where you said you were harassed you seem to imply the fact you were being chased and camping an outpost is harassment, but you chasing him isn’t? Now I know you said he was typing stuff like “you suck” and whatever but honestly that seems to be more trash talking than harassment. Just saying this sounds like like another post making a big deal out of nothing and trying to use it as an excuse to opt out of the risk part of the game.

@wyvrax said in PvE Mode NEEDS to Happen:

but if you just spent an hour gathering loot there is no reason someone should be able to ruin all that work in just a few short minutes.

Ah, now we get to the root of the problem. OP is upset because he got yeeted.

• we began chasing him in an attempt of payback. For about an hour straight the player spammed "u suk"
• stay away from those players it is impossible when they constantly chase you

Need I point out the hypocrisy of these two statements?

Also - I would like you to elaborate on how removing PvP from the game will prevent someone from sailing past you and saying "You Suck" in chat?

@wyvrax

The community (on Xbox at least) has become a cesspool of toxicity, racism, discrimination, and harassment

Go play a game like Overwatch competitive, Rainbow 6 seige, CSGO, or Rust. Then come back after playing that game and tell me how toxic Sea of Thieves is compared to those games. People think that SOT is this absolutely vile and disgusting place of toxicity, it just shows that those people have never played online multiplayer games before, and they don't know just how bad it can be. Sea of Thieves is one of the least toxic games that have voice and text chat, yet people think it is the most toxic game ever, simply because they don't have anything to compare it to.

My thinking is that because Sea of Thieves is such an incredibly UNTOXIC game, because people have nothing to compare it to and they don't actually know just how bad games can be, they think SOT is this absolutely wretched game. People seem to think that being, "toxic" is not being 100% uplifting and positive. Go watch a couple videos and google, "COD Modern Warfare voicechat," And you will see just how bad toxicity can get and how good SOT is about keeping toxicity under control.

For about an hour straight the player spammed "u suk" in the chat to the point our screens were getting filled and after attempting to persuade him to stop harassment (as I am an Xbox ambassador) I was told the following: "u suk" multiple times, "youre dumb/stupid", and was called a "ret[@]rd"

I'm not condoning what he did, but you can't complain that someone is filling up your screen with text when you literally have an option to completely mute the person and never have to hear or see them chat again.

before he claimed I was harassing him.

I mean, you were. Like you said, you chased him for about an hour when he had no loot. I don't see it as a problem, you can chase whoever you like, but you can't pretend like there is no reason for him to say this when you literally chased him for about an hour when he had no loot. When he was fighting you, you actually had loot and he was trying to get it. If anything you are the one doing the harassing.

and this seems to happen to us every single time we play.

This is a lie, I don't know what you do in your games, but the majority of SOT games you are lucky to even find someone who wants to fight you. Most of the time you will be able to do whatever you want without anyone trying to steal your loot, and because they aren't near enough to steal your loot, they definitely aren't going to be close enough for you to hear what they're saying / typing.

there needs to be something done about the players who consistently harass other players.

Exactly, you need to be banned because you chased someone for around an hour when they had no loot. Sarcasm.

but if you just spent an hour gathering loot there is no reason someone should be able to ruin all that work in just a few short minutes.

This is how SOT works, it is a PvPvE game and it is meant to be a game where you can be a pirate and steal other player's loot. Like you said:

I agree that PvP is fun to partake in and sometimes
Where I do not completely disagree with piracy being part of a pirate game,

So why are you complaining that piracy is happening in a pirate game? People are always upset that in a PVP game, which has PVP in it, which is advertised as having PVP, a game that has always had PVP since the beginning of it's existence, a game that YOU bought knowing full well it had PVP, has PVP.

I would recommend the easiest way to solve this toxic problem would be to allow players to host their own lobbies where they can control who/when someone joins. My friends and I absolutely love this game and play it every day but now we are also being harassed every time we play and for those who would say to just stay away from those players it is impossible when they constantly chase you to the point you have to leave the lobby to escape it. If you have a similar story to share I would like to see it as well in hopes someone from Rare will read them and bring the topic up front.

Here's the juicy bit. Adding a PvE only server. In the forums there is always at least 1 post a day asking for PvE only servers, even though this game is BUILT upon the aspect of PvPvE. It's been requested so much that I made a copy paste for these exact posts. Hopefully you ready it fully, if you are truly wanting to have fun in the game and want to know WHY things are the way they are, read it. If you just want to complain then skip it and move along.

Your idea has been posted many times of adding a PVE only server / a server for only friends / a server with only friendly people and no PvP. This is why this idea will never be implemented, and why it will never work:

Let's say you want to stack the FOTD 10 times, that will take you around 8 hours to do if you're quick. Would you rather go into a server where:

(1) You could be tucked on
(2) You could have your loot be stolen
(3) You waste 8 hours of work because a pirate boarded your ship
(4) You're always under constant threat that you could die

OR, would you rather be in a server where you are safe from all of those problems, and don't have to worry about some pirate stealing your loot?

90% of players will take the second option, because there is no reason to put yourself in a situation where bad things could happen when you could alternatively be completely safe from other players.

The problem with this is because 90% of players who do PVE missions will go to this private server, who's left on the normal servers? People who want to steal loot, but there's no loot to be stolen because everyone is off in fairyland completely safe from any problems that would arise. So all the PvPers leave the game, not to even mention that the most popular streamers have built their career by stealing loot. Pace22 would immediately leave the game because there's nothing left to steal, and many more streamers would leave, as well as most of their viewers, which means that SOT no longer has an internet presence. Now that all the news has gotten out that Sea of Thieves has a SEVERE drop in their playerbase, all of these articles will come out online saying things like,

"Sea of thieves is a bad game," and "Sea of Thieves doesn't care about it's playerbase."

So now that there is all of this stigma around SOT there will be no new players because there are only bad reviews. So people who want to buy Sea of Thieves won't, because there are all of these videos and articles saying that it's a bad game. So Sea of Thieves will no longer be getting an influx of new players, which also means that Rare won't make any money from people buying the game.

What do you do once you've reached 75/75/75/20? By that point you'll have all of the cosmetics, and with the emissary system you can easily get the highest level in a 2-3 months. People will get bored because they're not working towards anything, they already have everything in the game and the highest level in the game, what now? Most players who are max level would normally turn to stealing loot so they don't get bored, but because of PVE only servers that's not a thing anymore. Eventually all of those people will leave because there's no point for them to play anymore, so the only people who play SOT are a few hundred people who didn't get max level and only play Sea of Thieves for 2 hours a week.

Most people who play adventure mode don't play it because they want PvP and ship vs ship battles, if they wanted that they would go to arena. People play adventure because they like stealing loot, so you can't just get rid of the loot.

That's why adding PVE only servers are bad, the PvPers will leave, all of the streamers will leave, people will get bored, the internet starts hating on SOT, and then you have a dead game. Not to even mention the fact that the developers themselves have said many times that they want this game to be one where people of all ideologies can play together. The PVPers, PVEers and the RPers can all be in the same server together, and they will do everything they can to keep that in the game:

Developers: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_yrN70591Q&feature=youtu.be&t=3578

There is no reason to pander to the couple thousand people who want PVE only servers, when you have hundreds of thousands of players who have bought and actively play the game because of the PVP factor. It doesn't make sense to change the game for a few, when the vast majority don't want that.

People are always upset that in a PVP game, which has PVP in it, which is advertised as having PVP, a game that has always had PVP since the beginning of it's existence, a game that YOU bought knowing full well it had PVP, has PVP.

People who think PVP doesn't belong in Sea of Thieves and complain that PVP is, "toxic," are the same type of people to play Minecraft and complain there are no guns.

If you've made it this far into the post then you're at least willing to hear reasons as to why things are the way they are, and because of that I'm going to give you some solutions to help in your voyages. Let's move past the whole idea of, "I want a PVE server," and accept that it will never happen, so that we can find solutions to make your time on Sea of Thieves better.

The first thing you can do would be to play with other people, I don't know your experience in the game but having more people is always better as you can keep 1 person in your crows nest as a lookout for incoming ships. Using the official Sea of Thieves discord, you can easily find likeminded people who are more than willing to play with you. The discord has over 160,000 players, and there are constantly requests to join people's crews, or people asking for players to join their crew. Discord link: https://discord.gg/seaofthieves

Now that you have some people to play with, ALWAYS keep someone as a watchguard, if you have 4 people on your crew, you can easily send one of you to stand watch in the crows nest and have the rest of you do the voyage. Another thing to keep in mind, there may be tuckers on your boat, people who park their boat behind a rock or an island, then take the 3 minute swim over to your boat. So always make sure that whenever you leave the island you were just at, have at least 1 person check around your ship for tuckers. I'm not going to bore you with every single tuck spot in the game, but in general equip a sword and slash the ship. The cannons, masts, wheel, sides of the ship, barrels, etc. Anywhere where someone could hide some of their body inside something, sword that area. If you hit them, they will stand up and there will be a sound effect letting you know that you hit something.

Whenever you load into a game, check the emissary tables next to the respective trading companies. If you see a tiny ship on the emissary table it means that someone is on your server doing that emissary, so if you see 4 people doing quests you may want to consider leaving that server as there are many people active. Always check the reaper's bones quest table, if there is a tiny ship on the emissary table or a reaper's marked ship on the map, leave the game as that ship has a high chance of trying to attack you and steal your loot. Try to minimize the risks before you even start your voyages.

Those are some of the tips I can give you, hopefully these will help you in your voyages to come. I understand that it can be annoying when pirates come over and take all of your loot, but the sooner you can accept that it's a part of the game, the sooner you can improve and become better at avoiding those situations. Who knows, you might become a PvPer yourself.

At the end of the day whether you want to add PvE servers or not, the developers themselves have said multiple times that they don't want to separate players into different servers. They want this game to be one where players of all groups, PvPers, PvErs, and RPers can all be in the same server together. The only thing that can change the developers vision for the game is if the community comes together and says that they want something different. That isn't happening, and they still have a very strong community in favor of PvPvE, so there's no point in trying to do something that could backfire into something very deadly.

The only way that SOT will add a PvE only server, is if a majority of the community says that they want PVE only servers, until that happens, a PVE only server will never be added. When you are the owner of a video game, you have to do what the majority of people want or you risk killing your game, and right now the majority of people do not want PvE only servers, so they aren't going to add them.

This game was MADE and is a game for PvPvErs, not for PvErs or people who just want to do missions and voyages without any threat whatsoever, the sooner you accept that this game was BUILT for PvPvE, then sooner you will be able to have fun in the game.

@Deckhands @Quartermasters @Rare-Community-Managers

@wyvrax toxicity doesn't call for a pve mode

i can promise you 100% that a pve mode won't save you from trash talk

people will find another reason to tell you that you suck

the developers have said they don't want a pve mode and its not going to happen

most likely because its not the model they want for their game

i can also tell you that you are not an "xbox ambassador"

my friends don't agree with this idea and they are on xbox

@wyvrax

@wyvrax

Being toxic has nothing to do with engaging in PvP or PvE. Rare is clear on the matter PvE servers aren't coming and this is a duplicate of so many topics...

People are rude and those that believe PVE is the solution are mistaken. A PvE mode will attract trolls, give people immunity in a world where treasure is in a shared world, explosives are a thing and all that. The xbox community also used PC players as toxic PvP trolls to exclude us from their opt out as one of the reasons. I have no idea how those servers are, but opt out ... people before claimed that it was the solution, doubt it is.

The most offensive language I have endured in this game is by those that I approach that are doing PvE... I don't engage in foul language and even tend go be a solo that is attacking them.

Being toxic is on the player, not the activity that they are doing. Mute is the only way to ensure you never get insulted.

If someone is camping golden sands just go to one of the other six outposts.

@Wyvrax So you said you don't completely disagree with piracy being in a pirate game which means there is a part of you that does disagree with piracy being in a pirate game. That speaks volumes in itself.

You have the choice to turn off other crews chat as @Galactic-Geek had said and/or quick chasing them. They were trash talking not being toxic, racist, descriminating or harassing. As an Xbox Ambassador you should know the difference.

I have had people just trash talking or salty and threatened to report me. They are more than welcome because I know I've done nothing wrong. If your friend felt the need to file a report about the person false reporting that's fine. I have no problem with that yet in reality they probably didn't do it.

If you have spent an hour collecting loot and someone steals it then let me use the classic response of, this is a pirate game called Sea of Thieves. This is intended to be something that can happen and has been stated by the devs.

You love the game and play it everyday yet you are new to the forums. This is your first post. You Xbox account for Sea of Thieves shows you have played 3 batches of times where you would sail a bit and take a long break. You only sailed a little over half a million meters. I'm worried you haven't played the game enough to learn the things needed as there is a laundry list of things to learn and practice. A lot of the feedback you are hearing from myself and others is because we have spent a very long time learning the game. Look up our profiles and see. I myself have sailed over 13 million meters and many others on here have sailed more. Keep practicing and you will see how well balanced the game is.

Rare has stated they have no intention to make PvP servers. They are working on custom servers though but those will have zero progression, currency or rewards.

Still not seeing how this is a legitimate reason for PvE servers to exist.

Gather evidence, file a report and support ticket.

That’s 1 player out of thousands of PVP players. If he’s acting toxic, just report and mute him.

@kaijoi And to add to the Rainbow 6 Siege, the new upate M.U.T.E Protocol had a glitch that caused the player to become invisible/invincible. So the toxicity levels have probably gone overboard.

This is what the executive producer says about PVE servers:

Joe Neate: "The whole core premise of SOT is that it’s a shared world. To get to Pirate Legend, there will be danger and there will be other players, the risk and the reward is all part of it …that’s what SOT has always been, it’s a shared world adventure game, there is a purpose to that…it’s all about a shared world and we have no intention to deviate from that."

We don't want to split players, we don't want to split player types, the whole identity of sea of thieves is a shared world and the different kind of motivations within it.

I love these quotes. Things literally can't get any clearer than that can they?

• Player interactions are working as intended and the way they are by design.
• There is no intentions of changing and unbalancing them.

Create as many new threads or new accounts to ask the same thing over and over again, it won't change these facts.

@venomous-sloth7
Although I’m with you in this topic
I love piracy I’m not rude about it like the players you are describing but I feel if there was a pve mode we would lose most of the players that play sea of thieves although it would be cool I personally think it would be nice to have a single player mode with different tall tales and factions and for playing it you would gain rewards in the online pvp adventure
So in my regards I don’t want there to be pve but I dream of a day we would have something similar to it

Im confused as to why you think a PvE mode would stop verbal harassment, it wont. There are nasty people in PvE modes aswell. Unless the real reason you want PvE servers is so you do not have the threat of losing loot.

@wyvrax you can mute game chat if you dont want to deal with toxic players like that.

@wyvrax How to deal with toxic players: Don't play their game.
Don't respond to anything they're saying at all.
If they say things that can be reported, do it.
If they keep giving you a hard time and you don't want to waste any time and effort in dealing with them anymore, change the server.

Also PvE servers do exist, they're called alliance servers. No one cares here whether these servers are against tHe sPiRit oF tHe GamE or not.

@ultimate-powa said in PvE Mode NEEDS to Happen:

But players who get sunk in PvP MUST be moved to another server, lest the we wish to subject ourselves to never ending PvP.

No. If I lose my loot to someone, then I want to have the chance to get it back. You'd be adding salt to the wound by moving them to a different server after they get sunk.

This is something players have called for way back in Alpha.

And won't be added.

Basically, if you don't want to get yeeted from the server, don't get sunk in PvP.

So because some players aren't as good as other players, they should get yeeted to many different servers? No.

@supersnipper60 If you want the loot you had on your ship, don't sink. Honestly the potential to lose your loot permanently may help make people actually care about their ship. The longer I have played the more I think it would be less salty and encourage a better meta if sinking meant the loss of all of your loot.

A crew option to "Vote to Server Merge" could be something though I think. This could be a way for a crew to just admit defeat outright, but still requires the crew to agree to it.

There might be some hinky things on the back end to figure out with that, but it feels like it could be a thing possibly. Could require the Ship to be anchored somewhere even.

@captain-fob4141 said in PvE Mode NEEDS to Happen:

@supersnipper60 If you want the loot you had on your ship, don't sink. Honestly the potential to lose your loot permanently may help make people actually care about their ship. The longer I have played the more I think it would be less salty and encourage a better meta if sinking meant the loss of all of your loot.

It hasn't happened to me (yet), but I meant other players. Newer ones completing their first voyage, then getting jumped by other players. Or experienced players getting emissary flags to grade 5 only to lose them to ships that have more players or more skill. I believe that everyone has an equal chance of getting their treasure back. If I lose the loot I had on my boat, then I want to have the chance to get it back. If it were implemented, then there is going to be a lot more than salt on the forums. I agree with @RedEyeSith with the "Vote to Server Merge." However, I think that it can only be used after being in the server for a set amount of time as to not have players abusing it. If players have treasure and they server merge, then the treasure drops in the first server they were in so they don't server merge to keep their treasure.

@captain-fob4141 said in PvE Mode NEEDS to Happen:

@supersnipper60 If you want the loot you had on your ship, don't sink. Honestly the potential to lose your loot permanently may help make people actually care about their ship. The longer I have played the more I think it would be less salty and encourage a better meta if sinking meant the loss of all of your loot.

Because server merges are already so stable right now. I couldn't wait for merges to happen even more often because brand new players keep getting thrown in new servers left and right.

I agree though, want to keep your loot? Don't sink.

Don't want to lose an attrition war to stubborn attackers? Go get some more supplies and keep fighting, champ.

@galactic-geek said in PvE Mode NEEDS to Happen:

@redeyesith said in PvE Mode NEEDS to Happen:

A crew option to "Vote to Server Merge" could be something though I think. This could be a way for a crew to just admit defeat outright, but still requires the crew to agree to it.

There might be some hinky things on the back end to figure out with that, but it feels like it could be a thing possibly. Could require the Ship to be anchored somewhere even.

"Oh no! We're being attacked! Quick! Vote! Vote!"

[Ship disappears before attackers' very eyes]

No. Just no.

Or that is easily solved by requiring the ship to be anchored and to not have had a member of the crew or ship take damage in X amount of time. This would add a block to prevent mid battle submission.

Anyways, just saying the idea could have some merit, even of there are things that need to be assessed on it to ensure it is balanced and would work as intended and not as an exploit. But simply just saying "no" isn't a suburb answer by my own account. You identified a potential problem, which means if we want to implement such an idea we would need to identify a solution - not just toss the idea.

And I must ask, what is so different about this Vote system and the crew going "heck with this" and logging off the server? Everyone already has the ability to do exactly as you say. Unless you think I was trying to propose a way to keep your treasure in such a merge, but I think at this point you should know me well enough to know I won't propose such an idea. This would be treated as a Scuttle, but your ship would be on a new server rather than the same one still.

So, unless you also want to remove the ability to log out when we want or scuttle when we want, I really don't see how this is so different beyond getting the loser of the battle to a new server away from the crew that whooped them if they have no interest in revenge. And as an option, those who do want to keep going absolutely can.

So I feel like this is just giving people another options, but your outright no feels like you just don't want people to have the option and would rather them eat more of their play time by leaving game, loading menu, and reloading a server instead of just skipping a couple steps and loading the next server.

Granted, if you have other potential pitfalls I'd love to hear them, cause I still don't see this as an outright bad option to present and think the potential pitfalls can either be addressed.

@redeyesith

You mean quit the game, recreate the crew and hop servers?

Am I missing something or does that already exist ooh you mean you want to keep your loot, supplies and voyage as well.

Don't be a sore loser, if you want to earn your loot... avoid the other crew and sell or simply battle it out and the victor gets the spoils.

This is a game people, losing is part of playing a game. I don't why you would want to have a vote to victory option.

@cotu42 said in PvE Mode NEEDS to Happen:

@redeyesith

You mean quit the game, recreate the crew and hop servers?

Am I missing something or does that already exist ooh you mean you want to keep your loot, supplies and voyage as well.

Don't be a sore loser, if you want to earn your loot... avoid the other crew and sell or simply battle it out and the victor gets the spoils.

This is a game people, losing is part of playing a game.

Yea, not even remotely. And I've already addressed this. Please read above.

Unless your argument is that people should be forced to ear more of their play time up on loading screens - then sure, if that is your position then fine. I disagree, and would rather any players of this game spend more time in the actual game than nothing to menus cause they are accepting a loss and would rather be placed somewhere else without a forgone conclusion they are on a server with someone who can assured wreck them.

As you say, crews can already do this, so it sounds like people just really hate the idea of them being able to do it without having to hit multiple menus and load screens.

@rowge-gaming

What to host their own servers in a shared world environment? Custom servers are coming, no awards can be earned in them... Toxic behavior is not approved, but if you want to be God and control the world to decide who can and cannot be on it you cannot expect to be awarded. This is a shared open world. People will attack you, steal from you and you have the tools to deal with it. If you lose your treasure, then you lost in a game... not a big deal.

People need to take responsibility for their own behavior, Rare cannot make a game where you interact with others and make people not be rude. If he paid attention he would have seen the thieves and could have responded. If he was fed up with being chased he could have turned around and killed him. If he was done listening to that person he could have muted him and send a report about their behavior. The game has all the tools to deal with the situation, but players still need to use them. He is an ambassador and doesn't know how a reporting system works? Rare cannot be accountable for the behavior of people, they can punish them after the fact if you report them and that is all they can do. Welcome to the world of online gaming, where most people are decent yet we have some that are just rude.

The point is the PvP isn't what is toxic, it is the person. Go attack people, be civil, silent and a good sport... those PVE pirates aren't all nice people either.

@redeyesith

Yet you keep your voyage? No man, it is abusable if that is the case. Start fresh but from a different game... If you want to just make server hopping easier it will speed up the PvP crews actually. Who exactly do you think would use the tools provided more often?

If you want to start fresh those 2 mins in the menu screen aren't that big of a deal. Be my guest to swap servers, but server hopping shouldn't be made easier... the game shouldn't make that the go to move.

@cotu42
Could’ve scuttled my man easy fix