Good God. Sometimes I just want to play the game...

@xatencio6729

I had one skull when the other player raided my ship while I was distracted with a wave of exploding skeles. It took ZERO skill for him to do what he did.

Zero skill? The guy was able to approach and board you completely unnoticed. That takes a bit of skill, OR face the fact that you completely dropped the ball here and didn't pay attention. If it took zero skill to accomplish, then it should have took zero skill to prevent. You can't have it both ways.

Sometimes I just want to play the game.

Has there been any comment about this from Rare? How many other games like this FORCE everyone into PVP?

And play the game he did.... You are playing a game that encourages people to steal from each other, why are you expecting anything but that? That is playing the game. This isn't a sailing simulator where you play by yourself with zero player interaction, that just isn't what this game is. Its a multiplayer game, other players comes with the territory.

Don't want to get stuff stolen, then don't play a game that sets out to do just that. You expect game-play antithetical to what this games sets out to accomplish.

@xatencio6729

But, as I stated above, I DID notice him out of the corner of my eye.

And what good did that serve you? You did nothing with that information. You noticed him far too late, how do you think he got to that island? If you are just noticing them now, you dropped the ball. Ships can be spotted islands away, you weren't paying attention to your surroundings. You should have noticed them long before they approached you with boarders.

Slow clap for that guy.

You are the only one to deserve slow clap here, you dropped the ball hard and by extension paid the price. You made amateur mistakes, how about accepting a bit of responsibility here?

What should have happened here, is you should have spotted his boat sailing to you. Then you should have been on your boat prepared for a conflict. It isn't hard to spot ships in this game, you have a spyglass, use it.

Either make it a PVE game with an OPTION of PVP. Or make MOST of the content PVP focused.

How about you don't get a PvP game and expect a full PvE experience. I got exactly what I paid for, maybe you should research a game before buying instead of whining on the forums to create a game into something it isn't?

Has there been any comment about this from Rare?

Yes. Countless times. It's not happening.

Here, for example, they say...

The key purpose of [newly proposed] Custom Servers is to allow creative players the opportunity to use our sandbox to create unique experiences for their communities. They are not intended to be used as a PvE server, hence the removal of ability to earn gold and rep.

Agreed it is a "Game"
soo why are you complaining over the things that happen within a game? Shouldnt matter, just play and enjoy the little moments. If you cant even do that......

@nabberwar said in Good God. Sometimes I just want to play the game...:

And play the game he did.... You are playing a game that encourages people to steal from each other, why are you expecting anything but that? That is playing the game. This isn't a sailing simulator where you play by yourself with zero player interaction, that just isn't what this game is. Its a multiplayer game, other players comes with the territory.

Don't want to get stuff stolen, then don't play a game that sets out to do just that. You expect game-play antithetical to what this games sets out to accomplish.

That's all fair enough, but I can't help but agree with him that a lot of the time, players are just toxic for the sake of it. On multiple occasions I've encountered galleons/brigantines whilst trying to just chill out and do some solo voyages to relax, who just want to grief/troll and ruin people's enjoyment of the game. It would be nice to have some form of ingame reporting as some folks will genuinely spew toxic nonsense over chat, the usual squeaky xbox 12 year olds trash talking about how your mother is in bed when they and their 3 buddies managed to take down your empty solo sloop whilst you were in a cave trying to deal with skelly captains.

It does seem to me that a lot of players lack any sense of sportsmanship and will sink an empty sloop out of nothing but spite and the desire to make someone else miserable. Personally it's why I appreciate Phuzzy so much, he doesn't just troll people, if he sees they're new to the game or don't have anything he wants he lets them about their merry way. Or even helps them out with some loot or advice.

I wouldn't even mind if people were just... sportsman like about it. A "nice try, gg" over chat or a "well played". But honestly, it's bloody rare that you see that, usually it's more likely that you get a "LOL, you suck f*g". You're absolutely right that stealing is the nature of the game, but it wouldn't kill Rare to be more rigorous about enforcing community standards.

Dismissive attitudes like yours, don't make the game better for anyone, and belittling the guy's opinion because "it's a pirate game, lol", isn't helpful. Maybe offer some advice, link him a youtube tutorial, or recommend ways he could get better. Follow Wheaton's law man.

If it took 0 skill from him to see you stop by the island, then it took -1 skill from you to park on this island without even noticing a player is nearby.

@ghostpaw The guy sank the ship with a single skull on it. He didn't do it for some epic loot haul, he didn't do it because he gained anything from it, he did it out of spite. I'd say that's pretty toxic, hardly in keeping with Article 6. But hey, maybe I'm just kinder than the majority of the community here.

EXACTLY, its called SEA OF THIEVES....bro.

You complain as some others about the gameplay that you can get sunk when you had badluck before.
Yesterday i was with 2 mates of mine on a brig, we've got 1 skellyship, meg, kraken AND a enemy ship AGAINST us and sunk brutally.

This is how the game is.....it's totally random (sandbox) and that's what makes this game fun because ANYTHING can happend.

@xatencio6729

I was scanning the horizon on my approach to the island. It was night and either foggy or a storm was approaching. I did not see any ship approaching.

Then check again in a few minutes? Nothing stops you from glancing multiple times.

Besides, even if I did see a ship on the horizon, what then? Assume he's coming my way and just stop playing the game and wait on the island to see what he does? That's not fun at all.

Defending yourself is playing the game. Digging treasure and all that is only half the game. Your refusal to engage in the other half is the problem here.

That's not fun at all.

Its hella fun, I love defending myself. Digging treasure uncontested is dull, without threats, like players, I would have dropped this game long ago.

And not paying attention to my surroundings? Dude, I'm one guy.

So? What stops you from the occasion 360 degree scan? I've sailed solo many times, I don't run into this problem because I take the time and effort not to develop horse blinders. Being aware of what is around you is a high necessity in this game. Time to learn it.

I've got three skeletons running at me, a keg skeleton running at me, and a gun skeleton lining up a shot.

Which takes roughly 10-20 seconds to dispatch. What do you do with the rest of the time? Boomer Skeletons announce their presence, you can here when they spawn. When you hear it gain distance and pop them on spawn, its actually quite easy and makes the encounter even easier due to them killing all the skeletons around them. Gun skeletons are stupid, just put another skeleton imbetween you and they will block the shot. Also don't sword dash if you don't fully know the target. Dash in this game isn't that great, 2 swipes does the exact damage. If you are going to dash on skeletons, then just wait til they all spawn.

The arrogance and conceit of some of these responses is astounding. How about a little empathy for fellow gamers?

I've made the same pitfalls you have at some point, but rather then come to to forums and complain, I took the time to learn from my mistakes. I'm showing empathy by actually explaining what went wrong and even going extra steps to give you tips. I'm not just sitting here calling you bad without at least explaining stuff.

I have maybe a 2-hour window every night to get something accomplished in this otherwise terrific game.

Do you think you are the only one who has responsibilities? 1/2 the forum can say the same thing, the difference here is we don't use it as an excuse to only learn half the game. I too have full time employment (Essential Worker) with familial responsibilities that limit my game time. This may come as a surprise but Adult gamers aren't a rare thing nowadays.

Adding a PVE only option wouldn't lessen the game for you in any way, shape, or form.

Don't buy a PvP game and expect a PvE experience, plain and simple. Game was exactly as advertised. You went to buy apples expecting oranges. You shouldn't be surprised that with the apples you got. Complaining to the grocer just seems silly at that point. Had the thought occurred that maybe you aren't the target demographic?

@gelidus91

On multiple occasions I've encountered galleons/brigantines whilst trying to just chill out and do some solo voyages to relax, who just want to grief/troll and ruin people's enjoyment of the game.

Where in the game description has it stated that this game offers a relaxing non-confrontational experience? You have expectations that don't fit with this game. If you expect to sail uncontested, you are going to be disappointed.

It would be nice to have some form of ingame reporting as some folks will genuinely spew toxic nonsense over chat, the usual squeaky xbox 12 year olds trash

Complaining about being toxic while mocking someone for things they can't control seems rather toxic doesn't it? Certainly, I wouldn't be against a proper report system, but I find it ironic your going to sit here and act like you are above the toxic mentality.

when they and their 3 buddies managed to take down your empty solo sloop whilst you were in a cave trying to deal with skelly captains.

Maybe watch the skyline or buddy up? Plenty of remedies at your disposal to deal with this problem.

It does seem to me that a lot of players lack any sense of sportsmanship and will sink an empty sloop out of nothing but spite and the desire to make someone else miserable.

Not every sinking is out of spite. Player presence, whether you like it or not, remains a threat. In a game that allows stealing, why would players take a risk? You could argue your friendly, but here is the thing, players lie. Why should I risk my loot and safety by allowing an unknown ship be around me while I have activities on that island. Could they sink you for the fun of it? Maybe, but again this issue isn't black and white.

Dismissive attitudes like yours, don't make the game better for anyone, and belittling the guy's opinion because "it's a pirate game, lol", isn't helpful. Maybe offer some advice, link him a youtube tutorial, or recommend ways he could get better. Follow Wheaton's law man.

Almost every single post I have made has provided some sort of tip to remedy their situation, excluding the first one. From the simple, "Watch your surroundings," to more in-depth explanations like I am doing right here. You are aware that everyone here started exactly where he is, right? If I can learn to thrive in this environment, it isn't a stretch to think others can't as well. I've made the same pitfalls as well, but rather then complain to Rare to take away the Pirates from the Pirate game, I simple learned how to play the game.

@ghostpaw Your sarcastic comments might hold more water if your argument weren't so full of holes. You really think that sinking the ship was more efficient than just checking it over? It's a freaking sloop, not exactly many places to hide loot, I don't care how creative you are. Especially if there is an amount that is actually worth your time to take.

Fair enough if he had something important to do on the island, but I very much doubt that's the case. Given my own experience it seems far more likely that it was just someone who happened to be sailing by, behaving like a d**k.

Did he make any attempt to communicate? No.
Did he see that the guy had nothing and was most likely new to the game and leave him to it? No.

Point is, it's not sporting. It's not fun unless you enjoy ruining people's day, you're not gaining anything. So why do it?

@bugaboo-bill

they majority has zero understanding about this!
sadly.

Bill, not a single toxic thing happened in his story. Not a word was spoken, and the guy sunk a ship and stole loot. This is probably one of the least toxic things that pirate could have done. This is just a game, if stuff like this is toxic for you, then it might be in your interest to develop thicker skin. I get that this sounds blunt and maybe rude, but this type of behavior seen from that player is just so not toxic its silly you are arguing against it.

Let me remind you about the Code of Conduct you like to preach so often.

"Be a good sport. Sea of Thieves is a pirate game, and stealth, stealing and battles are all part of the fun. All pirates on the seas accept that, but be a good sportsman in both victory and loss.

i had the same situation, i could have killed, sink the ship, but i decided to be a thief not a murderer or break wheatons law (new to me, thanks for that, good thing i say).

And the guy in question decided to be a Pirate instead of a Thief. Just another day in Sea of Thieves. Op wasn't bullied here, he was robbed by a Pirate in a Pirate game.

@gelidus91

Did he make any attempt to communicate? No.

Is he required to communicate? No, one doesn't need permission to Pirate, its kind of what they do.

Did he see that the guy had nothing and was most likely new to the game and leave him to it? No.

Except, he had something and by extension, wasn't robbed of nothing. That is kind of the point here, if you have loot, it can be stolen. Pirates do Pirate things. I get people get annoyed by saying its Sea of Thieves not Sea of Friends, but no one is under obligation to make niceties with strangers.

@nabberwar Fair enough, the squeaky 12 year old comment was uncalled for, if unfortunately accurate. My point was it's not usually a mature adult behaving like this on chat, though you do get them.

As I said previously, fair enough if they are trying to do something important on the island, but rarely have I found this to be the case. More often than not it's someone who just happened to be sailing by and stumbled across someone, I've done it more than once, I'm just not one to pillage and sink an empty ship if they leave me alone. If they have something worth my time to take however...

Your most recent response to him, is far more constructive I grant you. When I penned the response however, that was not there. And your earlier "tips" were essentially just "you suck, be better".

Are people obliged to communicate? No. Does it make for a better community when they do? Generally, yes. The number of times I've had positive interactions in this game because I stopped to chat to someone, instead of just sinking them and taking their stuff, are far greater than the number I've had because someone started shooting as soon as seeing me.

Ultimately I have no objection to pirates doing pirate things, I just think there are more positive ways to go about it, that foster a better community. Hell, do the pirate things but just be nicer to each other in the process.

@gelidus91 said in Good God. Sometimes I just want to play the game...:

@ghostpaw Your sarcastic comments might hold more water if your argument weren't so full of holes. You really think that sinking the ship was more efficient than just checking it over?

Yup. Kegs are wonders for sinking ships. If there is at least one, I can sink a ship easily.

It's a freaking sloop, not exactly many places to hide loot, I don't care how creative you are.

Crows nest, inside each other, kegs, in a rowboat, behind the map table, beside cannons, there are a lot of spots.

Especially if there is an amount that is actually worth your time to take.

I've had loot hauls of up to 60 skulls and I found spots to hide them without problem.

Fair enough if he had something important to do on the island, but I very much doubt that's the case.

Why is that? A pirate can't stop at an island to admire the beauty of the game? Or are we supposed to only go to the islands that have the x's on them, or the skelly captains?

Given my own experience it seems far more likely that it was just someone who happened to be sailing by, behaving like a d**k.

Or just behaving like a pirate.

Did he make any attempt to communicate? No.

Does he have to?

Did he see that the guy had nothing and was most likely new to the game and leave him to it? No.

Point is, it's not sporting.

Yeah. It's pirating.

It's not fun unless you enjoy ruining people's day, you're not gaining anything. So why do it?

We aren't ruining people's days. They chose to partake in a game where the risk of getting attacked by a pirate is very imminent.