FIX ARENA BANS!!!!!!!!!!!

@itz-majman That's not at all the case. It happens maybe once a week or so but when I'm trying to grind some games out and end up getting banned for 30 minutes because of an arena disconnect then that isn't right. If you rejoin the session you got disconnected from then you shouldn't get penalized or warned for "leaving the game" for 30 mins. It's an easy fix. Player rejoins because of a disconnect, said player shouldn't get punished for it. Player clicks leave game, player gets warned. It's that simple.

@that-new-dude said in FIX ARENA BANS!!!!!!!!!!!:

@itz-majman That's not at all the case. It happens maybe once a week or so but when I'm trying to grind some games out and end up getting banned for 30 minutes because of an arena disconnect then that isn't right. If you rejoin the session you got disconnected from then you shouldn't get penalized or warned for "leaving the game" for 30 mins. It's an easy fix. Player rejoins because of a disconnect, said player shouldn't get punished for it. Player clicks leave game, player gets warned. It's that simple.

"Player purposefully pulls the power cord on their modem and then plugs it back in." How would they determine this vs an accidental disconnect?

Exactly...

It may not be great, but it is the only way to ensure people don't abuse the system. A necessary evil.

@comrade-molly said in FIX ARENA BANS!!!!!!!!!!!:

Arena bans already don't do anything other than lower the arena population. A 30 minute ban isn't going to stop someone from quitting during a spawncamp, if they're solo on a galleon getting farmed, or if their team is day-1 noobs who skipped the cinematic. They just quit and go back to adventure, lowering the player pool in arena.

this is exactly the reason leavers punishments exists

why shouldn't day one people play arena?

they bought this game they have every right to play and if your willing to deny them that by leaving glad you get punishment might aswell even increase it to an hour

this isn't competetive mode where you play all out serious its still sea of thieves adventure in a 15 min nutshell

i'm sorry you missed that important note

but everyone deserves to play the mode they want which is why there isn't a level cap to play arena or any requirements

everyone can play and everyone deserves their chances to play

and if your going to be a picky pants and just leave a game because the group doesn't suit your needs then too bad enjoy waiting another 30 mins or just go premade

and judging a day 1 player is a bad thing to do

i've sailed with a day one player he couldn't sail for "bad word" but man did he know gunplay

On top of that, Hazelnutbeards have become more and more common in arena, regardless of how good your personal connection is. Absolutely ridiculous to get a 30 minute ban when the game Hazelnuts you out of your 4-man premade.

its actually really hard to detect the difference of bad internet or an error in comparison to someone who pulls their internet plug

its actually damn near impossible to do almost to the point where i'd say its impossible

without a punishment arena just wouldn't work so well

take friday the 13th the game

it never had a leavers punishment

so the game is one killer and 8 teenos

so if 9 people wanted to play killer and only one got the pick

the other 8 would leave so nobody gets to play the killer

its fundamentally important to have a punishment for people who leave or they just wont quit doing it until they get what they want

it would work exactly the same in this sea of thieves

imagine if every ship in arena had 2 leavers on each ship and everyone of those leavers well leave

how fun of a game do you think it is for the people who are still left in the match?

Arena queues have just gotten longer and the population at any given time has gone down since the 30 minute bans were introduced. They need to go, they just don't work in the way that they were intended.

i think thats how it was intended to work

people would leave matches they didn't like

be it
1: people are bad
2: people didn't want to do it the way the leaver wanted
3: the leaver pretty much just wanted to troll

naturally adding a 30 min ban would ofcourse put a strain on the population as

1: leavers who do it for trolling can only do it once then have to wait another 30 mins and if any troll who actually just waits 30 mins to troll again seriously needs to rethink his life choices
2: people cannot nitpick unless he actually does pre-made
3: some leavers who do not have the ability to pre-make quits arena

this siphons out the bad part of the arena and gives the chances of joining legitimate people who plays for fun and not to be a sore tryhard who thinks of nothing but winning and forgetting hes actually playing a game

it works EXACTLY as intended

@comrade-molly said in FIX ARENA BANS!!!!!!!!!!!:

@jollyolsteamed said in FIX ARENA BANS!!!!!!!!!!!:

@comrade-molly said in FIX ARENA BANS!!!!!!!!!!!:

Arena bans already don't do anything other than lower the arena population. A 30 minute ban isn't going to stop someone from quitting during a spawncamp, if they're solo on a galleon getting farmed, or if their team is day-1 noobs who skipped the cinematic. They just quit and go back to adventure, lowering the player pool in arena.

this is exactly the reason leavers punishments exists

why shouldn't day one people play arena?

they bought this game they have every right to play and if your willing to deny them that by leaving glad you get punishment might aswell even increase it to an hour

this isn't competetive mode where you play all out serious its still sea of thieves adventure in a 15 min nutshell

i'm sorry you missed that important note

but everyone deserves to play the mode they want which is why there isn't a level cap to play arena or any requirements

everyone can play and everyone deserves their chances to play

and if your going to be a picky pants and just leave a game because the group doesn't suit your needs then too bad enjoy waiting another 30 mins or just go premade

and judging a day 1 player is a bad thing to do

i've sailed with a day one player he couldn't sail for "bad word" but man did he know gunplay

On top of that, Hazelnutbeards have become more and more common in arena, regardless of how good your personal connection is. Absolutely ridiculous to get a 30 minute ban when the game Hazelnuts you out of your 4-man premade.

its actually really hard to detect the difference of bad internet or an error in comparison to someone who pulls their internet plug

its actually damn near impossible to do almost to the point where i'd say its impossible

without a punishment arena just wouldn't work so well

take friday the 13th the game

it never had a leavers punishment

so the game is one killer and 8 teenos

so if 9 people wanted to play killer and only one got the pick

the other 8 would leave so nobody gets to play the killer

its fundamentally important to have a punishment for people who leave or they just wont quit doing it until they get what they want

it would work exactly the same in this sea of thieves

imagine if every ship in arena had 2 leavers on each ship and everyone of those leavers well leave

how fun of a game do you think it is for the people who are still left in the match?

Arena queues have just gotten longer and the population at any given time has gone down since the 30 minute bans were introduced. They need to go, they just don't work in the way that they were intended.

i think thats how it was intended to work

people would leave matches they didn't like

be it
1: people are bad
2: people didn't want to do it the way the leaver wanted
3: the leaver pretty much just wanted to troll

naturally adding a 30 min ban would ofcourse put a strain on the population as

1: leavers who do it for trolling can only do it once then have to wait another 30 mins and if any troll who actually just waits 30 mins to troll again seriously needs to rethink his life choices
2: people cannot nitpick unless he actually does pre-made
3: some leavers who do not have the ability to pre-make quits arena

this siphons out the bad part of the arena and gives the chances of joining legitimate people who plays for fun and not to be a sore tryhard who thinks of nothing but winning and forgetting hes actually playing a game

it works EXACTLY as intended

Ok well first of all, this post is horribly formatted so there's absolutely no way to respond to your post line by line, but i'll try and cover the actual topics not the tangents:

I never said that they don't belong there, nor did I say that I leave them if I'm open crew. If I happen to be doing open crew, truth be told I don't care who's on my crew, as long as they drive me within range of other boats to board them. I board and camp for PVP practice, and if my noobs want a win, I tell them to come farm top deck cannons. Camping a boat and farming cannons on them is simply put the absolute best strategy for winning in arena right now, outside of actual competetive play like in the NAL where you probably can't 1v4 or 2v4 camp, or even get away with farming for very long before another boat notices and comes over. In normal arena though? 90% of the time you'll get a win if you can even get 5 minutes of free farm.

first of all this is irrelevant your strategies has nothing to contribute to the discussion at hand i couldn't really care less

Arguably, I'm one a pretty desirable open crewmate for anyone who understands the game mode and wants to win. I've gotten Legendary Sea Dog and Triumphant Sea Dog on two different pirates, and I've helped many open crews get wins just doing what I do.

once again this gloating does not contribute to the discussion at hand and i have no idea how me knowing that you have gotten legendary sea dog and triumphant sea dog on two different pirates actually contributes to the discussion of a 30 min ban

Now, if you'll actually look at what I said, I said "day 1 noobs who skipped the cinematic". The kind who don't know how to or care to communicate, drop the anchor for no reason, and shoot cannons at the turn-in ship. There's a lot more of them in arena open crew than you seem to think there are, but the thing is, I usually don't even leave them. As long as they drive my respawn point (our boat) near enough to enemy boats for me to get a board if i happen to die or take a mermaid, I'm happy...but other people do leave them, take their ban, and just go back to Adventure.

no matter how much i look at what you said "day one noob" does not specify anchor droppers let alone people who don't communicate or cannon poppers

you are very unspecific and tbh if your going to make a point and try to prove said point please do so within one original post rather than leaving out important details and make it seem like its the respondant who is at fault when they respond to your unspecific point when really its just you being lazy not specifying what you mean

Before arena bans were a thing, these people would just open crew again, and sometimes they would even just wind up on the same boat and decide to stay rather than keep hopping. Even if they did get on another boat though, that was more people filtering through lobbies, meaning more games starting, and a better chance of those people finding eachother, winning a few games, and making friendships. This is literally how I made my first friends in Sea of Thieves, back when I was a sword using, solo slooping, non arena sweat.

yeah im very well aware of why people leave lobbies im not a dunce

however leaving people during a match is frustrating to the players who are ingame

if people are going to play arena and want to play it seriously and win they should open an lfg unless they are "day one noobs" as you now put it

if not they should know how to make an LFG and increase their chances for a good crew and not possibly ruin a match for someone who have been waiting and they should also know the risks of running open crew and not leave

all because they don't like the crew they end up with

Now? They leave the unresponsive crew, get a 30 minute ban, then go back to adventure for likely more than 30 minutes. Lowering the player pool, and lowering the chance they run into other new or medium-level players that they could make friends with and play arena with, and slowing down the rate of arena matches starting.

honestly as much as i'd love to believe that the whole issue is with "day one noobs" its really not

majority of leavers are picky eaters and thats just the way it is and with a 30 min ban people have to either deal with what they got till the end of those 15 mins or suck up a 30 min ban

i've been in games where people leave just because they don't like you
or because you happen to make one mistake

this is frustrating

The simple truth is that people are leaving arena games just as much as they used to. With the lower population, there's a higher chance you run into a sweaty crew, so now that most lobbies are extremely 1-sided and have 1 crew dominating everyone, there's a higher chance of getting spawncamped, which makes people leave, or getting sunk repeatedly and never having more than 0 points, which makes people leave. People were leaving because of these things before, and the 30 minute penalty doesn't stop them.

just because you may think that the 30 min ban doesn't stop them

gives other players a 30 min window of actually getting someone useful

also one sided lobbies won't change one bit theres always going to be that one crew doing worse than the rest doesn't matter if you have a 1 minute ban or a 1 month ban

The people who leave haven't been bothered by the 30 minute bans, but the community of eager noobs who want wins are, and so are the sweats that want lower lobby times because people leave our games anyway.

and how would removing the 30 min ban solve this? arena matchmaking was "badword" before the 30 min ban worse off than it is now and not because it took too long to get matches sure still long but not as long

the reason it was trash was because even if you got a match people would just leave so whatever arguement you had about "lowering queue times" won't really matter if people are just going to leave

the "eager noobs" would never get a match because the "sweaty" players are just going to leave to join other "sweaty" players this does not benefit ANYONE except the "sweaty" players so how is removing 30 min punishment going to make lobbies less one sided???

thing is now "sweaty" players can LFG and get a good group and those "eager noobs" have a higher chance of ending up with someone who doesn't want to get that 30 min ban and decides to play anyway

so honestly removing the 30 min ban would just make arena worse

in short people who want to maximize their chances of winning has a way to do this "LFG"

and people who do open crew to just play about or learn can do so without having to enter a 4 man galleon with 2-3 people leaving without punishment

IMO, the 30 minute ban is the last in a long list of things killing off arena population.

The first that did it for me was when arena came out, win trading. One ship covers for another while they dig and turn in. Next round they switch roles. I should not have to deal with two crews coordinating together in this manner when one ship is not even trying to win but stopping others from beating their teaming crew. Caused me to step out on Arena for nearly a year. Thankfully now this is almost non-existant.

Came back recently to see TDM being a thing in nearly every match. 2-3 ships sail off to a fort while the rest battle it out for a win. This turns people off when they are getting severely outmatched in naval and they just quit because there isn't any other ship to take the pressure off as they are off TDM'ing. To me it has been great for easy wins but have had multiple crews quit out most likely for this reason.

The spawn camping also, while not happening to myself, can be a huge reason why people quit out as that is not really how Arena was meant to be played.

Honestly they just need to create an island based mode for people to FFA fight it out with no crew. That would pull the TDM out and probably the spawn camping as well. People could just do their weapon kills there.

@comrade-molly said in FIX ARENA BANS!!!!!!!!!!!:

@jollyolsteamed said in FIX ARENA BANS!!!!!!!!!!!:

@comrade-molly said in FIX ARENA BANS!!!!!!!!!!!:

@jollyolsteamed said in FIX ARENA BANS!!!!!!!!!!!:

@comrade-molly said in FIX ARENA BANS!!!!!!!!!!!:

Arena bans already don't do anything other than lower the arena population. A 30 minute ban isn't going to stop someone from quitting during a spawncamp, if they're solo on a galleon getting farmed, or if their team is day-1 noobs who skipped the cinematic. They just quit and go back to adventure, lowering the player pool in arena.

this is exactly the reason leavers punishments exists

why shouldn't day one people play arena?

they bought this game they have every right to play and if your willing to deny them that by leaving glad you get punishment might aswell even increase it to an hour

this isn't competetive mode where you play all out serious its still sea of thieves adventure in a 15 min nutshell

i'm sorry you missed that important note

but everyone deserves to play the mode they want which is why there isn't a level cap to play arena or any requirements

everyone can play and everyone deserves their chances to play

and if your going to be a picky pants and just leave a game because the group doesn't suit your needs then too bad enjoy waiting another 30 mins or just go premade

and judging a day 1 player is a bad thing to do

i've sailed with a day one player he couldn't sail for "bad word" but man did he know gunplay

On top of that, Hazelnutbeards have become more and more common in arena, regardless of how good your personal connection is. Absolutely ridiculous to get a 30 minute ban when the game Hazelnuts you out of your 4-man premade.

its actually really hard to detect the difference of bad internet or an error in comparison to someone who pulls their internet plug

its actually damn near impossible to do almost to the point where i'd say its impossible

without a punishment arena just wouldn't work so well

take friday the 13th the game

it never had a leavers punishment

so the game is one killer and 8 teenos

so if 9 people wanted to play killer and only one got the pick

the other 8 would leave so nobody gets to play the killer

its fundamentally important to have a punishment for people who leave or they just wont quit doing it until they get what they want

it would work exactly the same in this sea of thieves

imagine if every ship in arena had 2 leavers on each ship and everyone of those leavers well leave

how fun of a game do you think it is for the people who are still left in the match?

Arena queues have just gotten longer and the population at any given time has gone down since the 30 minute bans were introduced. They need to go, they just don't work in the way that they were intended.

i think thats how it was intended to work

people would leave matches they didn't like

be it
1: people are bad
2: people didn't want to do it the way the leaver wanted
3: the leaver pretty much just wanted to troll

naturally adding a 30 min ban would ofcourse put a strain on the population as

1: leavers who do it for trolling can only do it once then have to wait another 30 mins and if any troll who actually just waits 30 mins to troll again seriously needs to rethink his life choices
2: people cannot nitpick unless he actually does pre-made
3: some leavers who do not have the ability to pre-make quits arena

this siphons out the bad part of the arena and gives the chances of joining legitimate people who plays for fun and not to be a sore tryhard who thinks of nothing but winning and forgetting hes actually playing a game

it works EXACTLY as intended

Ok well first of all, this post is horribly formatted so there's absolutely no way to respond to your post line by line, but i'll try and cover the actual topics not the tangents:

I never said that they don't belong there, nor did I say that I leave them if I'm open crew. If I happen to be doing open crew, truth be told I don't care who's on my crew, as long as they drive me within range of other boats to board them. I board and camp for PVP practice, and if my noobs want a win, I tell them to come farm top deck cannons. Camping a boat and farming cannons on them is simply put the absolute best strategy for winning in arena right now, outside of actual competetive play like in the NAL where you probably can't 1v4 or 2v4 camp, or even get away with farming for very long before another boat notices and comes over. In normal arena though? 90% of the time you'll get a win if you can even get 5 minutes of free farm.

first of all this is irrelevant your strategies has nothing to contribute to the discussion at hand i couldn't really care less

Arguably, I'm one a pretty desirable open crewmate for anyone who understands the game mode and wants to win. I've gotten Legendary Sea Dog and Triumphant Sea Dog on two different pirates, and I've helped many open crews get wins just doing what I do.

once again this gloating does not contribute to the discussion at hand and i have no idea how me knowing that you have gotten legendary sea dog and triumphant sea dog on two different pirates actually contributes to the discussion of a 30 min ban

Now, if you'll actually look at what I said, I said "day 1 noobs who skipped the cinematic". The kind who don't know how to or care to communicate, drop the anchor for no reason, and shoot cannons at the turn-in ship. There's a lot more of them in arena open crew than you seem to think there are, but the thing is, I usually don't even leave them. As long as they drive my respawn point (our boat) near enough to enemy boats for me to get a board if i happen to die or take a mermaid, I'm happy...but other people do leave them, take their ban, and just go back to Adventure.

no matter how much i look at what you said "day one noob" does not specify anchor droppers let alone people who don't communicate or cannon poppers

you are very unspecific and tbh if your going to make a point and try to prove said point please do so within one original post rather than leaving out important details and make it seem like its the respondant who is at fault when they respond to your unspecific point when really its just you being lazy not specifying what you mean

Before arena bans were a thing, these people would just open crew again, and sometimes they would even just wind up on the same boat and decide to stay rather than keep hopping. Even if they did get on another boat though, that was more people filtering through lobbies, meaning more games starting, and a better chance of those people finding eachother, winning a few games, and making friendships. This is literally how I made my first friends in Sea of Thieves, back when I was a sword using, solo slooping, non arena sweat.

yeah im very well aware of why people leave lobbies im not a dunce

however leaving people during a match is frustrating to the players who are ingame

if people are going to play arena and want to play it seriously and win they should open an lfg unless they are "day one noobs" as you now put it

if not they should know how to make an LFG and increase their chances for a good crew and not possibly ruin a match for someone who have been waiting and they should also know the risks of running open crew and not leave

all because they don't like the crew they end up with

Now? They leave the unresponsive crew, get a 30 minute ban, then go back to adventure for likely more than 30 minutes. Lowering the player pool, and lowering the chance they run into other new or medium-level players that they could make friends with and play arena with, and slowing down the rate of arena matches starting.

honestly as much as i'd love to believe that the whole issue is with "day one noobs" its really not

majority of leavers are picky eaters and thats just the way it is and with a 30 min ban people have to either deal with what they got till the end of those 15 mins or suck up a 30 min ban

i've been in games where people leave just because they don't like you
or because you happen to make one mistake

this is frustrating

The simple truth is that people are leaving arena games just as much as they used to. With the lower population, there's a higher chance you run into a sweaty crew, so now that most lobbies are extremely 1-sided and have 1 crew dominating everyone, there's a higher chance of getting spawncamped, which makes people leave, or getting sunk repeatedly and never having more than 0 points, which makes people leave. People were leaving because of these things before, and the 30 minute penalty doesn't stop them.

just because you may think that the 30 min ban doesn't stop them

gives other players a 30 min window of actually getting someone useful

also one sided lobbies won't change one bit theres always going to be that one crew doing worse than the rest doesn't matter if you have a 1 minute ban or a 1 month ban

The people who leave haven't been bothered by the 30 minute bans, but the community of eager noobs who want wins are, and so are the sweats that want lower lobby times because people leave our games anyway.

and how would removing the 30 min ban solve this? arena matchmaking was "badword" before the 30 min ban worse off than it is now and not because it took too long to get matches sure still long but not as long

the reason it was trash was because even if you got a match people would just leave so whatever arguement you had about "lowering queue times" won't really matter if people are just going to leave

the "eager noobs" would never get a match because the "sweaty" players are just going to leave to join other "sweaty" players this does not benefit ANYONE except the "sweaty" players so how is removing 30 min punishment going to make lobbies less one sided???

thing is now "sweaty" players can LFG and get a good group and those "eager noobs" have a higher chance of ending up with someone who doesn't want to get that 30 min ban and decides to play anyway

so honestly removing the 30 min ban would just make arena worse

in short people who want to maximize their chances of winning has a way to do this "LFG"

and people who do open crew to just play about or learn can do so without having to enter a 4 man galleon with 2-3 people leaving without punishment

Ok so you just ignored half of my argument because you didnt have a response, got mad that i mentioned my arena credentials (which strengthen my point, I have over 1000 arena games played, and I am literally an expert), and then you proceeded to not comprehend the rest of my post.

firstly
im not mad why would i be mad over something as trivial as uh no im not calling them "credentials" thats the last thing they are

they're nothing but pointless achievements couldn't care more or less about it never have and never will

i'll never understand the pointless chase of achievements never and i've said this before achievements mean literally nothing

i've said this not just in this post but in others aswell

secondly

no you saying "im an expert" is just bogus you are "NOT" an expert faaaaar from it

you may know how to play the game but that does not mean you know how it works

the ones who are the experts is rare they created it and perfect it

you didn't make the mode and you sure as hell ain't no expert thats just a fact

please stop going around calling yourself an expert just makes you look like a fool

Bruh the 30 minute ban is already doing nothing but killing arena, and I just explained all of the reasons why. You aren't showing achievements but I'm willing to bet you don't even have Captain of the Silvered Waters done.

why are you so interested in my achievements?

yes you explained the reasons why and i responded to the points that was relevant

you can either stay relevant to the discussion and stop being hypocritical by saying "you ignore half of my post" and then go right ahead and do the same

oor you can continue flopping your achievements around and call yourself an expert HONK HONK 🤡

so far you failed to respond to every single one of my points so whos the one whos really mad and got literally nothing to say

you tell me "expert"

anywho if you want to continue the discussion im all for it but im not going to sit here and play kindergarden with you not happening

@that-new-dude said in FIX ARENA BANS!!!!!!!!!!!:

People disconnect from arena and then get banned for 30 mins on multiple occasions. You guys need to figure a way to decipher a disconnect vs a leave on those bans. This is stupid. Someone that disconnects shouldn't get banned considering they didn't purposely leave. Someone that leaves yes. Decipher this....

I played open crew a couple of days ago, some afker just stood there, then after 5 min they got disconnected, but then they rejoined a couple of min later and afked the rest of the match. This makes me think just how bad is your internet that you can't get back in?