@jonah-falcon said in Pvp vs pve (private servers):
Here we are. "Git gud".
Man, truth hurts right? Someone telling you that maybe you should put more effort into something instead of asking for a participation trophy must hurt your feelings, except I don't care about your feelings. I don't even care about my feelings. Facts are facts. "Git Gud" put some semblance of effort into the game and learn how to play properly.
How old are you?
How old are you?
Dude, I've been doing PvP since 1995.
Lol, have you now? Really since 1995? Man, you must be sooooooo good. Man if only there were other people who were playing video games since the start of gaming....wait....there have been. I'm also probably more knowledgeable and have more experience in a competitive scene then you have lol.
Don't tell me how to play games, or that I'm "doing it wrong".
I like when players are told to get better at the game they immediately go with "Don't tell me I'm doing it wrong!! My mom told me I'm special!!"
Dude I don't care who told you what, or what you tell yourself. Again, I don't care about feelings, I care about facts. Just because players say they want to play chess and then demand the rules be changed because they can't win is a personal problem.
We all play the same game under the same rules. We want the rules to stay, you want the rules to change. You are demanding everyone else play the way you want because you aren't good enough.
I really should ignore you, because you're the sort of kid who will complain about the "pleebs" enjoying their clubhouse. Sort of a "No Gurlz Allowed." [UPDATE: I love how the shortcut for "plebian" is a banned word. I'm guessing why. (chuckle)]
Go for it, ignore me. Why do I care? lol. You are probably the type that says "Don't bother replying because I won't reply" then when I say something you come right back demanding that the thread be locked. lol.
Here's a hint for you:
If your attitude is "well, if you don't like it, don't play", guess what?
People won't play.
Good, then other players who like the game will play. You seem to believe that the game is hard down the middle, players who PvE and players who PvP. That isn't how you play the game. The game is PvPvE. The game is in a constant state of both at the same time and all times. There are players who do both and are happy with doing both. There are some who PvE and then use PvP to protect themselves. There are PvP players who constantly end up being attacked by PvE encounters.
If there are players who don't like the game then they shouldn't play. We will get the community we want and we can build on top of that. Every game that has tried to cater to the casual player has never been critically acclaimed.
They said the same thing with Dead Soul games. "Its too hard this game will fail" and then it becomes a incredible franchise. Funny thing is that it didn't start with Dead Souls, it started with Ninja Gaiden on the original Xbox. The game was super hard and it was a breath of fresh air for all the players who wanted a game to challenge them. Again same thing was said "its too hard, its going to fail".
It didn't fail. Dead Souls didn't fail and now lots of publishers are using that type level of play in their games. Hell even breath of the wild was joked as being Zelda dead souls addition.
Microsoft will look at the dwindling server and wonder why the heck they should pay for a server that isn't attracting players.
Dwindling doesn't mean bad. Trying to keep a huge influx is what is bad. You will always have higher number players in the beginning. What you shouldn't do is try to cater to everyone to keep the numbers at the highest point. What you should do is focus on the players who are staying. Rare had a dream and wanted to cater to a demographic. They did and its working. Its still working.
Then you'll wonder why such an awesome game is being shuttered.
No game last forever, if it shudders it shudders. I've never seen a game die because of PvP. Sorry just hasn't happened. I've seen the opposite though.
I've seen 'em come.
I've seen 'em go.
Good, thats how its suppose to be, again a game can't be for everyone and you shouldn't try to make it for everyone. You are going to fail if you plan that way.
And by the way, gatekeeping isn't a good look.
Neither is begging for a participation trophy.
UPDATE: And yes, PvP only MMOs and games are very niche.
No they aren't.
Do me a favor: compare World of Warcraft's subs with ... uh... wait... are there any subscription PvP MMOs left? Or are they all free to play now? Anyway, yes, niche.
EvE Online had subscriptions when WoW went free to play :). Also if WoW was so awesome, why did it go free to play? Maybe because they were losing players interest right? Not good enough for players to pay for a subscription anymore? Lol
Because little hint: people play the games they want to play and with people they want to play with. And they don't want random strangers ruining their fun.
Awwww again someone got their feelings hurt. You bought the game willingly. The game was marketed in hopes that players would understand that the game was constantly in a state of PvPvE. That they would have to protect the loot they gathered from players who would try to steal them.
The ones who complain about being attacked always talk "I had 4/5/8 hours of loot and was attacked out of nowhere. I hate this game blah blah blah blah"
Really? Hours of play completely uncontested and then they talk as if their family was attacked personally. No broksi. Defend the loot, get better at the game.
As I mentioned before, the best PvP only MMO was Dark Age of Camelot (born from Darkness Falls). That's because even though it was PvP only, it allowed players to know when they were going to jump in the dark waters of PvP, and let them do it when they wanted to.
In your opinion. DAoC wasn't as popular as EvE Online. No where near as popular and it died shortly after. DAoC came out when all the other games that came out trying to copy EverQuest.
Sorry, your opinions aren't facts.
EvE Online - 7,375,380 estimated players - 350k daily
DAoC - 194,675 estimated players - 4k daily
Hmmm......man, truth hurts right? Also EvE is again the MOST unforgiving game and it hasn't changed those rules. Guess you don't know gamers are much as you think you do huh??
And again, if you have experienced players making the game unplayable for new players, that wrecks the game.
We were all new at one point. We all had to learn the game. We all went through it. The sad thing is that the OG players had a rougher time then players do now but they players now cry like their dogs are being murdered and their parents kidnapped.
The game is so incredibly passive that its sad really. Its stupid. Get better at the game.
If you care about it, you'll be upset there are no new players joining in.
Still one of the most played games on xbox and it has been for 2 years. You ever think that maybe the community doesn't want PvE and PvP to be split? 2 years of whining and crying and players are still playing the game.
If you don't, then you're ecstatic you have a game all to yourself and likeminded players, and that's when a game gets shuttered.
Again you lost that argument when I pointed out EvE Online. Congrats, get better at the game.