New Ship: Frigate

@tundra-793 said in New Ship: Frigate:

I usually support most ideas for new, bigger ships, and a frigate would be an interesting addition.
Though I feel like a ship the size of a frigate with 4 masts (I assume that's what you mean by sails) would look, or feel kinda silly given the necessary length it'd have to be. A bigger ship i feel, should stick with 3 masts, just with more/bigger sails or a different type of rigging, so it still works the same.

The ship should and would be bigger, therefore it would make sense to have more sails. I don't think it'll look silly, simply make different sail sizes like the galleon currently has.

And no ship type should ever be locked behind any rank. One of the best parts of SoT, is that no matter what you sail in, or with who, everyone has access to the exact same tools.

You will have the same tools, just only legends will have a bigger ship so they can stick out from the rest of the pirates.

@galactic-geek said in New Ship: Frigate:

A 4 player crew who know what they're doing is enough to properly dominate a server - you don't need more than that, IMO, or a bigger ship to house them in.

Not true at all, lets not forget that alliances exist which can increase the size of your team significantly.

@trenix90

Therefore to man such a large ship, requires a crew full of pirate legends. This would also add some sense of progression to the game.

One of the cornerstone of this game, is everyone is equal. Having content locked behind a Pirates Legend, that is non-cosmetic and it can effect the game, goes against that cornerstone. This game also doesn't have progression for that reason. A PL has all the same equipment and tools at their disposal as a day one pirate. The only difference is skill and knowledge.

@nabberwar said in New Ship: Frigate:

@trenix90

Therefore to man such a large ship, requires a crew full of pirate legends. This would also add some sense of progression to the game.

One of the cornerstone of this game, is everyone is equal. Having content locked behind a Pirates Legend, that is non-cosmetic and it can effect the game, goes against that cornerstone. This game also doesn't have progression for that reason. A PL has all the same equipment and tools at their disposal as a day one pirate. The only difference is skill and knowledge.

Content is already blocked behind legend status, levels, and currency. For example, voyages, cosmetics, and even locations. Sorry, but progression in this game already exists. Also different ship types exist. Therefore the core concepts of the game would still remain.

@trenix90

Content is already blocked behind legend status, levels, and currency.

Mate you aren't reading what I'm saying this is the second time on this thread you are arguing things I haven't said.

Having content locked behind a Pirates Legend, that is non-cosmetic and it can effect the game, goes against that cornerstone.

The other ships aren't locked behind levels and every player no matter the level can choose that ship. Of course their is some cosmetics locked behind certain walls, but they play no role in effecting the game. A ship will sink at the same rate even if it has Legend cosmetics.

@trenix90 Yes, but these are all horizontal and give no competitive edge to any player over another.

Edit: and before I get the 4 v 1 response I'm expecting - the different crew sizes that currently exist are balanced in their own way already. I say this as a primarily solo player.

@nabberwar said in New Ship: Frigate:

@trenix90

Content is already blocked behind legend status, levels, and currency.

Mate you aren't reading what I'm saying this is the second time on this thread you are arguing things I haven't said.

Having content locked behind a Pirates Legend, that is non-cosmetic and it can effect the game, goes against that cornerstone.

The other ships aren't locked behind levels and every player no matter the level can choose that ship. Of course their is some cosmetics locked behind certain walls, but they play no role in effecting the game. A ship will sink at the same rate even if it has Legend cosmetics.

Maybe you're not reading, voyages are blocked behind levels and legend status and do effect the game and how it's played. Also cosmetics effect the game as well, like adding an iron sight to a pistol.

@tundra-793 said in New Ship: Frigate:

@trenix90 No player, regardless of rank, can unlock something that will provide them with an unfair advantage over other players. Everyone, upon spawning, has the same tools. Voyages don't affect other people's game.

Really? I find it unfair that someone who's a higher level, gets the advantage of having better voyages which provide more gold and quests than those who are a lower level. Also I like how you use more specific wording in attempt to prove your point. Like why use tool? Upon spawning, not everyone has the same ship and therefore automatically have disadvantages and advantages during a play session. And yes, voyages do effect people's game, someone gave me a free Athena quest which saved me more time while yielding more gold than I would using my own voyages. They do make a massive difference in gameplay.

Visual differences between weapons are just that, visual. One may have an iron sight on it, but they all fire the same, does the same damage and have the same damage drop off. Some players find visual differences more helpful than others, but some don't.

Visual differences do matter, especially in a shooter. It's actually why I use the pistol with a aim sight, because it provides me more precise aim than someone who has to aim with the tip of a barrel. If there were simply texture changes, then it wouldn't matter. However, that's not the case. Take for example, the visual difference of someone being small and big in a shooter, does it matter?

Yes, which is why some players intentionally pick girl characters in some games, because they're smaller, making them harder to notice and sometimes have a smaller hitbox. In fact, having glowing cosmetics in this game is a probably bad idea, because it reveals you easily at night.

There's nothing currently in game comparable to putting a brand new 5 player ship behind a rank wall, much less a rank wall that limits it to only the most experienced players.
Mate, you're just not going to find support for this part of your suggestion.

A bigger ship, requires more experienced players to manage it. Therefore it makes sense. Also the devs said they wanted legendary ships to be noticeable and something to fear. This is how you do it.

@xryanxkillerx said in New Ship: Frigate:

You've got to think about the balance of the game as a whole. Right now there really isn't a need for a ship larger than a galleon, let alone any content that requires 5 players on a single ship, its just pure overkill. Of course thats not to say no Man o' Wars/Frigates have ever sailed on the Sea of Thieves, in fact they have and are many shipwrecks of 3 decked ships in various places around the map.

Build alliances, a whole server can team together for crying out loud. That's fair?

I updated the suggestion, how about if legends can start a session, but non-legends can only join one. Also added some more information.

@roughleech03117 said in New Ship: Frigate:

@trenix90 a frigate is not a man o war aka ship of the line

Can we seriously stop playing the definition game on these forums?

@roughleech03117 said in New Ship: Frigate:

@trenix90 not a man o war

Man o war is another name for Man of war.

@trenix90 As the Lord Admiral (club leader) of the British Royal Navy, I support this!

@lord-steinsonne
It’d make guild events much easier to bring to a wider audience of our members. If we want 8 men, we have to manually barter for the vestiges. If we had this, we’d have a good fight. I WANT the server to fight us. Who cares if it’s unfair... we’ve likely withstood tougher odds.

Frigates would work nicely for Arena too.