Hide Nameplates From Enemies @Developers

... and yet somehow, players can still sneak and hide and be successful.

I'm not trying to be snarky, but is this really a problem?
The visual scope of players is fairly limited in this game, and with the use of emotes, sneaking past, and hiding from them, are pretty easy things to do. Otherwise, we'd rarely hear of people being jacked on their own vessel, or being kegged.

Just as a side note, there are lots of people clamoring for more ways to report cheaters. How would they do so, if they can't see the player name?

Rare should not cater to streamers. If they do, the rest of us deserve a mode to turn off streamers. We all deserve to play in peace. As well as have privacy as we commit our piracy.

@x-crowheart-x said in Hide Nameplates From Enemies @Developers:

Rare should not cater to streamers. If they do, the rest of us deserve a mode to turn off streamers. We all deserve to play in peace. As well as have privacy as we commit our piracy.

Streaming on Twitch is helping Sea of Thieves. I bought the game because I watch Summit1G play it, otherwise I would've not bought it. And several of my friends whom I told to get the game also, were hesitant as well until they also saw either Summit1G, Lirik I believe, or some other of those streamers play the game. From a business standpoint, every new game has a streamer mode in it, and every popular game out there currently has a streamer mode. It's a great strategy by the SoT team to imply it into the game.

@jack-flintlock said in Hide Nameplates From Enemies @Developers:

... and yet somehow, players can still sneak and hide and be successful.

I'm not trying to be snarky, but is this really a problem?
The visual scope of players is fairly limited in this game, and with the use of emotes, sneaking past, and hiding from them, are pretty easy things to do. Otherwise, we'd rarely hear of people being jacked on their own vessel, or being kegged.

Just as a side note, there are lots of people clamoring for more ways to report cheaters. How would they do so, if they can't see the player name?

I do not know about cheaters, and I haven't encountered any cheaters in the game (and by cheaters I assume you mean hackers).

I consider it really a problem in some instances. Yes, you can hide around the boat and use emotes to hide your name, but when you're attempting to board a crew, a lot of players are not trying to spot you necessarily, they are just looking for your nameplate. Even several of my friends say "oh I don't see any nameplates (therefore, there's no one around, they think)". The nameplates are extremely easy to spot, specially for players with a long name. Heck had I known this, I would've made a name with one letter so it's much harder to see.

It affects the part of game play where it's you against a crew of four, and you try to take them all out by yourself. If the nameplates were gone, they'd have to focus a bit more in trying to find you running around. So yes, my argument is that it could increase the skill cap for players who like to be "ninjas".

And just thought of what you said about cheaters for a bit, they could add something as simple as a kill feed. If you feel those players were cheating, then you could see their name after they've killed you, and report them, that simple.

@bugraersoyyy said in Hide Nameplates From Enemies @Developers:

@rodlimitless sea of ninjas again

That's the best kind of game play. Wait for guys to do those skull islands, the Athenas etc., then come and steal all of their loot. Last night we followed these guys for about 30 min till they finished a skull island, as soon as they finished loading, we trenched them between the rocks, sunk them, and took everything worth 21K gold, it was epic. That's real entertainment and fun right there. Now, I'd like to try just stealing everything without them noticing nor fighting. For that, the nameplate being gone would help :)

@rodlimitless

Streamers do not make or break any game. Developers may use them for free advertising and marketing, but they are not a special class of people. Developers should never have one set of rules and options for a tiny few and another for the rest of the community. Most importantly they should never be worshipped, which sadly many do these days.

If you like watching streamers, great. Playing is better. Many streamers promote all the wrongs things about the games they are playing. They are often the worse examples of how a game should be played. They do not care about good gaming etiquette, sportsmanship, and codes of conduct. Case in point about the streamer you mentioned.

By the way welcome to the forums and to the Sea of Thieves! Happy sailing!

@x-crowheart-x said in Hide Nameplates From Enemies @Developers:

@rodlimitless

Most importantly they should never be worshipped, which sadly many do these days.

That's an opinion.

If you like watching streamers, great. Playing is better. Many streamers promote all the wrongs things about the games they are playing. They are often the worse examples of how a game should be played. They do not care about good gaming etiquette, sportsmanship, and codes of conduct. Case in point about the streamer you mentioned.

That is also an opinion. Everyone has their own opinion on how the game should be played, and that's fine, but it is an opinion nevertheless; there is not an actual ideal way everyone should play.

By the way welcome to the forums and to the Sea of Thieves! Happy sailing!

I appreciate your welcoming :)

@swimplatypus7 said in Hide Nameplates From Enemies @Developers:

@jack-flintlock said in Hide Nameplates From Enemies @Developers:

... and yet somehow, players can still sneak and hide and be successful.

I'm not trying to be snarky, but is this really a problem?
The visual scope of players is fairly limited in this game, and with the use of emotes, sneaking past, and hiding from them, are pretty easy things to do. Otherwise, we'd rarely hear of people being jacked on their own vessel, or being kegged.

Just as a side note, there are lots of people clamoring for more ways to report cheaters. How would they do so, if they can't see the player name?

No so much a problem, but immersion in Sea of Thieves is important.

Being that players automatically know your name just by seeing you is rather ridiculous..

Ya see it's about consistency; we have no built in reticle, and many other things in game specifically intended to lend to immersion, yet BAM!!!!

YOUR NAME HERE

kinda kills immersion. I am ok with seeing the names of your own ship crew, but being able to see or have others see your name is kinda dumb.

Agreed.

@x-crowheart-x said in Hide Nameplates From Enemies @Developers:

Rare should not cater to streamers. If they do, the rest of us deserve a mode to turn off streamers. We all deserve to play in peace. As well as have privacy as we commit our piracy.

What... streamers attract players to a game, it is free publicity and just generally good for the community.

Providing tools that everyone can use that will help against stream snipers is a good idea.

If you want you will also be able to disable enemy name tags, even though that means you won't get the white text yelling shoot me!

It's been suggested before and I think Rare has even teased it once or twice.

It would be nice to have a crouch/ sneak button that hides the nametag but makes you move at half speed. In this way one can "sneak"on board a ship but people would have ample time to see this person. If you would also stow the weapons in this mode it would make the risk/ reward worth it and if you want to report them they would still show nametags when they run away/ fight/ or get hit.

@RodLimitless

Yes everyone can have an opinion. I shared mine which I based on knowledge, experience, and facts.

The person in question presents factual examples on their own by their own behavior, actions, and words.

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@Sshteeve

I understand the explanation for it. Like many say here in the forums time could be better spent elsewhere developing the game. The root cause is three fold. First is developers have abandoned the practice of players creating character names. Second a segment of the gaming culture has pushed the use and addiction of gamertags to the extreme. Third is an alarming, growing segment of society is finding it increasingly easier to be as bad as they want to be online.

Streamers put themselves out there and make the decision to live and play in a spotlight. There is a risk that goes along with that decision. Ultimate responsibility to protect oneself and loved ones starts with oneself. However, I agree and do not condone harassment of any kind. It is never acceptable and should never be tolerated.

The issue is not in Sea of Thieves. The issue is more with the XBOX and it’s app. They rely on one of the root causes the gamertag. There are options already available. Streamers can run a closed crew. They can hide their online status by appearing offline, and they can block individuals. The issue is not finding the streamer in game. There are no server lists. That is what streamer modes typically hide. If server hoping in Sea of Thieves was a reality, then the population of active players would be a serious issue.

Rare decided to do something for them. That is their decision. There is a lot of other more pressing issues and needs that should have the same attention instead.

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@CotU42

I never said streamers do not provide a form of free publicity. I mentioned the use of them for free advertising and promotion above. Of course there are also cases of paid sponsorship for their contributions.

I said the contributions and publicity can be good and bad. With regards to Sea of Thieves it has been both recently. Good in calling more pirates to the sea. Bad in the way they have been called by recent streamers.

@hynieth said in Hide Nameplates From Enemies @Developers:

It's been suggested before and I think Rare has even teased it once or twice.

It would be nice to have a crouch/ sneak button that hides the nametag but makes you move at half speed. In this way one can "sneak"on board a ship but people would have ample time to see this person. If you would also stow the weapons in this mode it would make the risk/ reward worth it and if you want to report them they would still show nametags when they run away/ fight/ or get hit.

This would be a very nice addition. Would really help the efforts of sneaky, thieving, backstabbing pirates. Should have had such an ability since launch.

@x-crowheart-x whether you like or dislike a public figure should not be a reason not to facilitate one of the major aspects in the game industry: namely streaming and video recording.

The big streamers they atend to represent the scene pretty well if you look at their full content in my opinion.

Yes, they also show the PvP or Sneaky trolly play as this is exciting and draws people to the stream. Some use trash talk based on their personality, but usually avoid any real offensive, sexist and racial slurs when smack talking.

The gaming world has always had it's fair share of bad mouthing. I personally believe that how you do it is also important if you decide to and streamers usually are aware of the style they choose to do and not everything they broadcast on stream can be heard by their opponents.

Not saying they never cross a line or that you have to like them. Do keep in mind they also make mistakes or get frustrated and say things they shouldn't. So, to really make a judgement you should consider viewing an unedited stream and not just highlights.

Not everyone enjoys the same comedians, but it doesn't mean that they should not be given a platform. I rather have that they play the game, as having streamers and youtubers helps the community.

Btw. I rarely watch twitch, have done it just out of curiosity. Based on all the super positive and negative comments I was expecting a less balanced approach of the game than what I saw and just more die hard, trash talking PvP and trolling. Instead I got also some teaching and positive approaches on top of the PvP and sneak plays. Therefore I was positively surprised and think both the positive and negative sides have blown their sides out of proportions.

@cotu42

I never said anything about liking or not liking someone on a personal level. My opinion was not based or influenced in such a way. I understand the viewpoint and argument you are trying to make. I respectfully disagree with it in regards to many streamers and streaming in general. Current subject floating around this game case in point.

Not going to get into an ethical, moral, political, or philosophical debate here. However, everyone does not deserve or should be granted a platform regardless of their beliefs and actions. What is right and wrong matters.

@x-crowheart-x I agree that right and wrong matters, however that is a subjective matter in and of itself.

The platforms on which they broadcast have their own terms and services, which also contain a number of behavioral factors that are in effect.

Some people feel that smack talk has no place at all and they are entitled to that belief. I even think they have a valid point, but for me as long as family, sexual orientation, race and gender are not part of it, no real moral lines are crossed in my opinion.

It is not my style, but there a lot of different types people with different personalities and perspectives.

In the end, having more people enjoy the seas and coming to sail them together can only be good for the game.

@rodlimitless People still manage to do it, i can see if they want to implement a streamer mode which give you and other plays a randomly generated gamer-tag such as

player= player????
?= random numbers
you= streamer????

@x-crowheart-x said in Hide Nameplates From Enemies @Developers:

@cotu42
What is right and wrong matters.

There is not right and wrong in the game though. Everyone plays however they want. That's very subjective anyway.

@goedecke-michel said in Hide Nameplates From Enemies @Developers:

but I need your name in case I have to report your cheating...

or being a toxic spawn camper, forcing you to scuttle, thriving on the misery of others....

@swimplatypus7 said in Hide Nameplates From Enemies @Developers:

@jack-flintlock said in Hide Nameplates From Enemies @Developers:

... and yet somehow, players can still sneak and hide and be successful.

I'm not trying to be snarky, but is this really a problem?
The visual scope of players is fairly limited in this game, and with the use of emotes, sneaking past, and hiding from them, are pretty easy things to do. Otherwise, we'd rarely hear of people being jacked on their own vessel, or being kegged.

Just as a side note, there are lots of people clamoring for more ways to report cheaters. How would they do so, if they can't see the player name?

No so much a problem, but immersion in Sea of Thieves is important.

Being that players automatically know your name just by seeing you is rather ridiculous..

Ya see it's about consistency; we have no built in reticle, and many other things in game specifically intended to lend to immersion, yet BAM!!!!

YOUR NAME HERE

kinda kills immersion. I am ok with seeing the names of your own ship crew, but being able to see or have others see your name is kinda dumb.

PUBG, CD Black ops is for you then. I try those games and maybe it age but I hardly ever see the people who kill me.
I play world of tanks, and gladly for me there's a tag with the tank tier, type and gamertag. Very useful information.

I hope the streamer mode will not be abused by trolls. It would seem to be counter-intuitive to offer an anti-troll mechanism to a few streamers, to then see it be either used to troll players, or offer a competitive advantage by not being seen

@sprungnickel427 said in Hide Nameplates From Enemies @Developers:

I hope the streamer mode will not be abused by trolls. It would seem to be counter-intuitive to offer an anti-troll mechanism to a few streamers, to then see it be either used to troll players, or offer a competitive advantage by not being seen

Streamer mode reduces the information they broadcast through the sharing of their screen, as in it hides or replaces the personal information of people not in your crew. It is a one sided information block and as it does not have any effect on your screen just their own it doesn't add a way to troll you. You will most likely see their name and can go fanboy on them if you want.

Usually this will be a bit of a disadvantage for the streamers, but less than it is now, as they have to play without a HUD to achieve this and therefore are unable to see health bars or hit markers to achieve the same effect.

This update will just make it that you no longer have the white text above a players character when they are engaging with you and therefore reducing the information that can give away someones position, as well as not being able to call them out by name.

Which in turn will prevent the spam of friend requests and text messages those people get for being on the same server as a streamer and therefore be better for the people they randomly encounter.

@cotu42 said in Hide Nameplates From Enemies @Developers:

@sprungnickel427 said in Hide Nameplates From Enemies @Developers:

I hope the streamer mode will not be abused by trolls. It would seem to be counter-intuitive to offer an anti-troll mechanism to a few streamers, to then see it be either used to troll players, or offer a competitive advantage by not being seen

Streamer mode reduces the information they broadcast through the sharing of their screen, as in it hides or replaces the personal information of people not in your crew. It is a one sided information block and as it does not have any effect on your screen just their own it doesn't add a way to troll you. You will most likely see their name and can go fanboy on them if you want.

Usually this will be a bit of a disadvantage for the streamers, but less than it is now, as they have to play without a HUD to achieve this and therefore are unable to see health bars or hit markers to achieve the same effect.

This update will just make it that you no longer have the white text above a players character when they are engaging with you and therefore reducing the information that can give away someones position, as well as not being able to call them out by name.

Which in turn will prevent the spam of friend requests and text messages those people get for being on the same server as a streamer and therefore be better for the people they randomly encounter.

As long as when the other player has Streamer mode engaged, I can still see his/her tag. I'm blind as it is. so Let the disadvantage be on the streamer then.

I watched 2 streamers last night play with HUD off and the player of the boat they "Tucked" on stood inches away from them, hidden among chests, and these guys couldn't see them. No gamertag etc... I want to understand the mechanism of when you can or cannot see the tag.

@sprungnickel427 HUD changes are one sided, always have been. Just like colour blind mode adapts your color pallet not that for anyone else.

It could be if this change is not sufficient they will add more tools for Streamers, but this is what they will start with.

@rodlimitless said in Hide Nameplates From Enemies @Developers:

@x-crowheart-x said in Hide Nameplates From Enemies @Developers:

@cotu42
What is right and wrong matters.

There is not right and wrong in the game though. Everyone plays however they want. That's very subjective anyway.

There is a right and wrong in this game and all other games, especially when interacting with others. There are rules and codes of conducts. Just as there are in real life.

Believing right and wrong is subjective, does not matter, and individuals can do whatever they want is a major problem with most things wrong in online video games as it is in real life. In the worse cases it has led to horrific consequences and atrocities.

Since this discussion has reached its end I will not be responding any further. Thank you for the conversation. One last thing though, there are rules and a code for Sea of Thieves in game and in these forums. Such things do exist. They exist for the greatest reasons.

Again happy sailing in your further voyages on the Sea of Thieves.