All this complaining about Xbox vs PC players...

  • Tremmert1
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    @dishingyou209 said in All this complaining about Xbox vs PC players...:

    I love the git gud arguement however I see no ody being harmed by offering people the CHOICE to turn crossplay off or on

    I'm completely neutral on the subject, as I don't really care either way whether there was an option or not, but I'll just mention this:
    Such an option divides the community, on a technical standpoint it is the fact that matchmaking will have to be tweaked to the point where it'll have to search between players who have the option turned off or on, checking which system they're on, etc.
    You're stating it's a simple option. It is not that simple of an option, as hundreds line of code will have to be added in, making the game more unoptimized.
    It all adds up to longer loading times, higher bandwidth usage, bigger download sizes, more backend game updates, the fact that the server will constantly have to ping you and check if you have the option turned off or on whenever someone is about to join your session, not to mention the HUGE problem between people in the same party where one has the option turned off, whilst the other player has the option turned on, which completely makes the entire option useless in the end, etc.
    And you can say that "you play this solo". That doesn't matter. Other people don't play solo, they play with other people, and such problems WILL pop up.

    You need to think of the bigger picture. Nothing is ever that simple, and you need to think of everything from a technical standpoint when you're suggesting a feature for the game.

  • Thrall28

    @edemardil wrong u can buy the hacks online for xbox too. I remember playing call of duty on xbox, and people was flying around, aimbot,invisible,and other hacks. So its not just pc players

  • DishingYou209

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    A few hundred lines of code to implement that option would be much better than adding chairs to sit in or statues to beat with a stick... Imagine how many lines of code those worthless "events" added

  • DishingYou209

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    Nothing is splitting thr playerbase when people have the option to opt in or out of that split. There is nothing wrong with allowing people the freedom of choice.

  • Tremmert1
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    @dishingyou209
    Still doesn't take my other points off the board, not to mention the huge problem with crewmembers having contradictory matchmaking settings.

  • DishingYou209

    @personalc0ffee when you can choose to toggle crossplay on. It splits nobody... Only the people who choose to toggle out are split... What is so wrong with allowing people choice in this and why are PC players the only ones crying about not allowing that choice???

  • DishingYou209

    Sounds to me like PC players are afraid to play with other PC players....

    Gotta have that high end PC advantage over a console to feel good I suppose...

  • Tremmert1
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    @dishingyou209 said in All this complaining about Xbox vs PC players...:

    Sounds to me like PC players are afraid to play with other PC players....

    Gotta have that high end PC advantage over a console to feel good I suppose...

    Literally nobody is saying that, and you didn't even try to refute my technical standpoints.

    Btw, console player here as well.

  • DishingYou209

    @PersonalC0ffee
    Every other crossplay game is wise enough to allow a toggle. If Microsoft wants to lose money by not allowing 85% of the playerbase the option they are asking for. Well. Asta la vista sea of theives.. I again encourage everyone who wants optional crossplay to write one letter a day a support ticket even to rare and to Microsoft. Many others are doing it and the more they realize what they have to lose the better the chances of having the choice the community deserves!!!

    And If forced crossplay is the futute of gaming on a Microsoft platform.... My family will be switching to Sony services where we don't have to pay to be forced into these things...

  • DishingYou209

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    If Microsoft and rare don't care about the console players who yes are 85% of the playerbase. So be it... Again why I encourage everyone to write a support ticket a day to Microsoft and rare... Let your voice be heard

  • Tremmert1
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    @dishingyou209 said in All this complaining about Xbox vs PC players...:

    @personalc0ffee
    If Microsoft and rare don't care about the console players who yes are 85% of the playerbase. So be it... Again why I encourage everyone to write a support ticket a day to Microsoft and rare... Let your voice be heard

    I'm really wondering where you're getting your statistics from. I've been Googling around for SoT playerbase statistics now, even on page 2 of it, and can't find a single solid statistics of PC & console players. Only articles that state how much the game has sold on launch day, etc. The only sort of statistics I can find are Twitch ones which state player interest in SoT, but that doesn't account whether it's on PC or console.

    So either provide actual proof of the 85% of the playerbase with a reputable site, or we can all just call bs on your claims.

    Edit: More Googling and checking Reddit, multiple sources claim Rare never released playerbase statistics since launch day. So unless you state your proof, I can confidently say your "85% playerbase" in an attempt to get anyone on your side - which didn't seem to work out for you, as you are the only person trying to battle this losing fight.

  • Edemardil
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    @thrall28 said in All this complaining about Xbox vs PC players...:

    @edemardil wrong u can buy the hacks online for xbox too. I remember playing call of duty on xbox, and people was flying around, aimbot,invisible,and other hacks. So its not just pc players

    You must not be an Xbox player...

  • El Jay2010
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    Me and my friend plays on PC, and we both use controllers. I constantly get accused of cheating. People are just bad at shooting. People also just like making excuses for themselves.

    What really irritates me though, is that Galleons are too strong, and people are just jerks about it. I got on a Galleon today, and the whole crew is talking c**p constantly. I killed 4 of them, but I have nothing to sink the ship with. They eventually kill me and all while doing that continues to talk trash and calling me things such as the N word. Im not african american but that has to be the ugliest most racist word. People should be banned immediately for that langauge. I cant even find him on my recent players list or I would have reported him.

    But yeah, I think if anything, Galleons are too strong. Takes too many shots to sink them, and the way the mechanics work currently, it is so easy to knock people off sloops by shooting them with a cannon.

    I also think there should be ways to sink ships without bombs or cannons. As a two man crew, sometimes it is better to just sneak on to Galleons than to go head to head in an unfair battle. Right now its not even worth trying to do a raid, because at some point a galleon will show up and bully you out.

  • SavageTwinky
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    @wodyo said in All this complaining about Xbox vs PC players...:

    @savagetwinky said in All this complaining about Xbox vs PC players...:

    Nah, you saying the difference is controller vs kb/m, just match make based on that...

    I'm against Any division of the playerbase, no matter where the line is drawn. It's simply unnecessary.

    it might be necessary, it really depends on whether or not there is a measurable difference... and how much it effects players.

    There is no doubt that the vast majority of plays in this game can be pulled off by xbox players just as well as PC players... but there is some things I see xbox players having difficulty with. With out a keyboard and mouse, engaging in different ranges is harder. Its one of the reasons why I started gravitating to FPS arenas on console, players do not have the capability to snipe with pistols... like the attachments actually begin to matter.

  • Spunkus Skunkus
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    @aarghmaargho How's this for proof? In my (almost) five years of owning an Xbox one, I have encountered ZERO hackers; but in my first two hours of playing CS:GO, I encountered over half a team of hackers. On top of that, I have multiple friends (who own gaming PC's) constantly complaining about how every game they play has hackers in it (PUBG, Rust, Ect.)

    "Also you are capable to get cheats on Xbox as well, remember that it's just a pc with windows on it with different visuals."

    You could not be more wrong in this statement; contrary to the popular belief of twelve year olds who think that everyone that kills them is a hacker, it is actually impossible to hack an Xbox One. This is because each game has its own signed code so that everyone is playing on an equal playing field; if you attempt to use hacks such as aimbot and wall-hacks, the console sees that the code has not been signed therefore cannot be used and will simply not run. So AGAIN, I'd like to state that hacks do NOT belong on Xbox One and heavily imply that they also do not belong on PC. I'd also like to rehash my statement of forced crossplay as it definitely doesn't belong in any games.

    For comparison, if they introduced cross-play to Fortnite then that would cause outrage in the entire community as PC players would have a distinct advantage over all other players; that's why it doesn't belong in Fortnite, and it doesn't belong in Sea of Thieves.

    P.S. I don't know where you picked this up but I actually didn't say that all PC players were cheaters; I was saying that there ARE people on PC who can use hacks compared to the people on Xbox who are unable to.

  • PK R0CKIN
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    It's on thing to be sank by a bet
    ter crew. It's another to have a chasing crew, who shoots a player inot your ladder, who you cant kill with 4 shots.

  • Spunkus Skunkus
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    @wodyo I think it's quite hard to argue that there are cheaters in Madden because the game at times can seem so random and unfair, just look at the plethora of videos online which show you how annoyed people get when they lose the ball for no reason.
    Another reason why hacking doesn't exist on Xbox One is because every game has its own signed code and when that code is altered or new code is introduced, it won't let you play that game online. To make games an even playing field, Xbox ensures that everyone is running the exact same code, and if you're not, then the console will not allow you to play the game. If you don't understand all that mumbo jumbo then I'll also say that this is the reason why you can't play an older version of the same game online; if you want to play with other players, you're going to have to download the update.

    But yeah, I can't wait for mouse and keyboard support either because it would mean that almost all games would enable crossplay between PC players and those that have the same controls. And yes! that would mean that most arguments about crossplay would be chucked out the window, excluding hackers of course. However these are all if's and but's; until Microsoft decides to level the playing the field, then it's clear that the fairest approach to crossplay would be an option to turn it off.

    P.S. Do you have any details regarding Mouse and Keyboard support for Xbox one? As far as I knew, it had only been a suggestion and not an official statement.

  • DishingYou209

    Send a daily support ticket to Microsoft and rare until we get heard. Simple... No use arguing on forums with PC players who can't fathom the thought of crossplay being simply an OPTION....

  • CaisterKaos
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    @personalc0ffee said in All this complaining about Xbox vs PC players...:

    @dishingyou209 said in All this complaining about Xbox vs PC players...:

    @personalc0ffee when you can choose to toggle crossplay on. It splits nobody... Only the people who choose to toggle out are split... What is so wrong with allowing people choice in this and why are PC players the only ones crying about not allowing that choice???

    Alright, I"m going to be frank.

    If you allow people to opt out, you are SPLITTING the active player base.

    It is split between the following;

    Xbox and PC crossplayers (those that opt-in crossplay)
    PC Only (opt-out)
    Xbox Only (opt-out)

    The opt outs are no longer part of the crossplay pool or the opt ins, so they can never interact with, be on, or be joined by those who opt in. They have to have their own servers.

    This is 100% how this feature would work because it is the only way it can work.

    The idea of optional crossplay is just as bad, if not worse than PvP and PvE servers. You are allowing the opt outs, to split themselves from the active player base into their own smaller community.

    I see this NEVER happening. It's too much time, too much work, and too much money and hassle to make a small group of people happy.

    Forced crossplay is the future of gaming.

    Forced crossplay will be the death of crossplay.
    Players deserve an option!!

  • WestStormborn
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    @caisterkaos not everything needs to be an option. I think you’re salty about all the losses you’ve gotten by fighting against PC players. You can’t make the excuse that I’m a pc player that can’t fathom options since I only play on Xbox. This particular option will split the fan base. There is also not as many pc players compared to Xbox players. Crossplay won’t break any game, how it’s implemented will. Learning how to increase your own skill level in gaming is possible. I’d personally be okay if sensitivity can be increased more. Saying get gud is the same as telling depressed people to walk it off, it sounds mean but it’s a good option. And finally just play the game, you’re complaining about a very small thing and getting very worked up over the issue.

  • Spunkus Skunkus
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    @weststormborn Technically all non-crossplay games split their fanbase and everyone is fine with it, so I'm sure almost everyone would also be fine with Rare giving us an option to turn it on and off. And I really don't see the problem when people request that they not be matched against players that have an unfair advantage over them, it just isn't fun when you constantly encounter players that you can't beat because they can insta-switch between a pistol and sniper to hit you from fifty metres away. Crossplay is no doubt the future, but forcing crossplay on players is obviously going to cause controversy.

  • WestStormborn
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    @spunkus-skunkus I personally can also insta switch with the Xbox but this takes great timing and a lot of practice. So in my view the insta switch isn’t as much of an advantage if Xbox players try to master the technique as well. But all said and done, I can understand your perspective even if I don’t completely agree with your views.

  • Spunkus Skunkus
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    @weststormborn Well thank you for respecting my opinions even though you don't agree with them, but I must add that even though you can insta-switch weapons on a console after tonnes of practise, a PC player can do it from the get-go with little to no difficulty; much like the rest of my arguments I'm implying that although some Xbox players can function to the capacity of PC users, PC players will find it much easier to do so; this is why it's unfair and why an option to toggle crossplay is necessary, in my opinion.

  • WestStormborn
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    @spunkus-skunkus ok cool, I’m glad I got to hear your opinion and you hearing mine. I hope we cross paths again in the forums for more intellectual conversation. I think I’m going to say goodbye to this thread now, (hopefully forever XD).

  • Spunkus Skunkus
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    @weststormborn Likewise, peace out.

  • Riareth
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    @savagetwinky said in All this complaining about Xbox vs PC players...:

    maybe you really have to be sure though, I've got some insane shots of, long range m/kb has a real advantage... this is the only reason I'm ok with separating control schemes. I've sniped people jumping off their boat with a keg and sword dashed over and started killing the people repairing.

    I can't be sure that they were cheating or amazing snippers. But being hit while behind the mast on the sloop on rough seas from a considerable distance (almost couldn't see then on their sloop) made me think it was cheating. I'm sure if it wasn't, then Rare would have ignored my report.

  • CaisterKaos
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    @weststormborn
    I play on both PC & Xbox my friend, so i am not salty about dying, i can just see the advantages pc has over xbox.
    Every other crossplay game has it as an option, because all the others devs know that there can never be total parity between the 2 formats/controls.
    The advantages during CQC are not a very small thing & it has been a very hot topic since way before release.

    There is no argument as to why the option should not be available!
    The 'split the playerbase' excuse is just rubbish, again every other crossplay game has the option & they all did just fine! Many games have different modes & many options that 'split the playerbase' again, these all do just fine!
    The real reason is because all the pc players want to keep their advantages & keep the disadvantaged easy target xbox players on their servers!

    The people who want to play crossplay still can & those that don't want to play crossplay won't have to, what's so wrong with that?

    As for getting worked up over the issue, yes i am. It is an issue i feel very strongly about, as it is unfair on a majority of the playerbase & am sick & tired of all the pc naysayers & 'elitist' thinking they know best!

  • WestStormborn
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    @caisterkaos okay cool, I mostly want to stay out of this thread more often than not. But for my own sake, out of the games that make crossplay optional, how big are their fan bases? Which side of the crossplay is the majority (if any)? Were there any statistical side effects when this was done (if there was a change to crossplay, ie drop in market, loss of player base)? Did this game begin as optional crossplay or was it forced? Also I’m very sorry you get highly looked down upon on your experience. I don’t have all the answers or even believe I do, but I try to show my own perspective. I feel that the view you have exiles pc players even if it’s optional to go both ways. I understand options are options but I also understand that it’s more work for Rare with little high reward and more cut in the budget.

  • Scoilean
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    Crossplay needs to be optional, played with a "Legend" last night who went on about how "his friend" was using hacks in the game, itemspotting/aimbots and how easy it was for them to dominate a server. Make crossplay optional and all the players that like crossplay can choose to keep it turned on

  • Nefrit Od
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    Crossplay needs to be optional, played with a "Legend" last night who went on about how "his friend" was using hacks in the game, itemspotting/aimbots and how easy it was for them to dominate a server. Make crossplay optional and all the players that like crossplay can choose to keep it turned on

    Did you report him?

  • Arrmaro
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    Regarding your first reply towards me, you make it look like solo player minecraft is a competitive game. So I'm not going further respond to that one.

    @vexed-anemone said in All this complaining about Xbox vs PC players...:

    @aarghmaargho

    I installed SOT on a laptop and noticed the combat difference immediately. Despite having a c****y mouse and awful graphics.
    However, I was a competitive PC player for many years, so I am very used to the increased access to shortcuts and accuracy with a mouse. Crank it up and twitch those fingers!

    So you've had previous experience on the syste, which increased your skill already. As I said before, players with a KB+M do indeed have an advantage over a gamepad.

    Harmful posts? You mean like generalising all groups?
    Because when I see people calling others cheats I try to get them to think constructively about what may have occurred. More often than not, they are console players facing PC players and they can't understand why they are strikingly less competitive in PVP.

    I can, so I both help them work out ways to overcome the issue but I don't ignore the core of the problem, crossplay. Therefore, no matter what you say, crossplay is a problem, even if it isn't to you!

    Which is pretty much the same I've been doing, providing help and acknowledging that there is an issue. With KB+M vs gamepad, not with xbox vs pc though.

    I don't think the majority of players complain that a PC player is able to sneak onto their boat easier than a console one, but the informed majority who are affected might say, 'I was killed by a PC player and I was unable to keep an eye on the ship because the PC guys kept killing us too quickly, hence someone getting aboard and gunpowdering our ship.'

    Unforunatly that's not what's happening, and the majority of the people on these forums apperently aren't informed. See all the lies that are spread troughout the forms.

    Also on a sidenote, I've asked the same question on multiple topics already:
    What are the other issues on xbox vs PC that don't exist between different xbox versions.

    A total of ZERO people have yet to been able to answer this question, which quite shows the the problem isn't xbox vs pc but gamepad vs KB+M

  • Arrmaro
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    @spunkus-skunkus said in All this complaining about Xbox vs PC players...:

    @aarghmaargho How's this for proof? In my (almost) five years of owning an Xbox one, I have encountered ZERO hackers; but in my first two hours of playing CS:GO, I encountered over half a team of hackers. On top of that, I have multiple friends (who own gaming PC's) constantly complaining about how every game they play has hackers in it (PUBG, Rust, Ect.)

    Just because you haven't seen/identified any hackers doesn't mean that they don't exist.
    You're also comparing it to CS:GO the most hack infested game on PC. Same with PUBG and Rust, those games are known to have a lot of hackers due to bad anti-cheat programs and zero care from the developers towards the issue.

    "Also you are capable to get cheats on Xbox as well, remember that it's just a pc with windows on it with different visuals."

    You could not be more wrong in this statement; contrary to the popular belief of twelve year olds who think that everyone that kills them is a hacker, it is actually impossible to hack an Xbox One. This is because each game has its own signed code so that everyone is playing on an equal playing field; if you attempt to use hacks such as aimbot and wall-hacks, the console sees that the code has not been signed therefore cannot be used and will simply not run. So AGAIN, I'd like to state that hacks do NOT belong on Xbox One and heavily imply that they also do not belong on PC. I'd also like to rehash my statement of forced crossplay as it definitely doesn't belong in any games.

    Hacks don't belong anywhere no matter what platform you're on. They exist though, on both platforms. PC has the signed code as well, that's why companies are now capable of starting law suits against the hack creators. They found a way to identify and locate the source of the hacks.
    You saying that hacks don't exist on Xbox only shows your lack of knowledge on the subject, just google it and you'll see.

    For comparison, if they introduced cross-play to Fortnite then that would cause outrage in the entire community as PC players would have a distinct advantage over all other players; that's why it doesn't belong in Fortnite, and it doesn't belong in Sea of Thieves.

    Again the same to you, you can't compare Fortnite and SoT

    P.S. I don't know where you picked this up but I actually didn't say that all PC players were cheaters; I was saying that there ARE people on PC who can use hacks compared to the people on Xbox who are unable to.

  • Scoilean
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    @nefrit-od Didn't report him, not entirely sure how to report people and think it would be hard to catch him, they would both get on same server then his buddy would act as a scout for him, he benefitted from the cheating but didn't admit to using the hacks himself, could I still report him?

  • Arrmaro
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    @scoilean said in All this complaining about Xbox vs PC players...:

    @nefrit-od Didn't report him, not entirely sure how to report people and think it would be hard to catch him, they would both get on same server then his buddy would act as a scout for him, he benefitted from the cheating but didn't admit to using the hacks himself, could I still report him?

    You can report players using any of these methods, https://support.seaofthieves.com/hc/en-gb/articles/360000779227-How-to-report-a-player

    Not sure if you got a case though because it's all anecdotal evidence, though it can never harm to have somebody investigated if you suspect them of using cheats.

    In my eyes, both players should be banned if your story is true. One for cheating and the other for knowingly playing with a cheater.

  • anubiswk
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    Tem que colocar urgente a opção de desabilitar o crossplay se eu quisesse jogar com jogadores de PC compraria um.
    Ja comprei console justamente para não me deparar com esses tipos de jogadores que trapaceiam ou tem vantagem por usarem mouse e teclado.
    Direto encontramos players que não morrem, que atiram sem mirar e não erram o tiro, teletransporte em outras coisas absurdas.
    Se a rare não arrumar isso com certeza o jogo vai afundar como uma ancora no Xbox.

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