[ENG]/[ESP] Play Anywhere/Cross Play needs an On/Off Mode

Is it possible to plug in a mouse + keyboard into an Xbox and use that?

@porkin5
Got a link to those stats?
I believe you, I'm just curious. I'm suspecting a lot of players are ready to blame cross platform for their performance rather than accept they were bested.

@Sr-XxKamikazexX
I personally don't know why somebody would ever buy a console. But a mouse and keyboard is pretty cheap, so if people feel disatvantaged and that control sheme is available on console, why not use it?
Idk if it works tho.

Yes...mouse and keyboard are more intuitive...but you can put a mouse and keyboard on an xbox? You can also put a controller on a PC...as others wrote.

Its up to YOU to make it better for yourself, not others to do it for you.

Look at this video, the guy has a keyboard and mouse in fortnite on Xbox :

MOUSE ON CONSOLE (New Cheaper Adapter) XIM APEX Fortnite Battle Royale Xbox One X Gameplay

@porkin5
Thanks.
It does mention those stats only in the context of killing skellies tho.
I imagine a skeleton is quite different from a bunnyhopping, twitch reacting PC player.

@incontinentturd Have you read this? https://www.seaofthieves.com/news/top-feedback-points

I quote:

The number of people we are currently investigating who show suspicious behaviour make up an extremely small portion of our player base.

@captain-surgee said in [ENG]/[ESP] Play Anywhere/Cross Play needs an On/Off Mode:

@porkin5
Load of BS. Stats are not only old but are about killing skeletons, not PVP. The advantage is massive. Want me to record me playing on my gaming pc and thrn conssole? Will that proof satisfy you?

No, because the only thing that will "prove" is that you, personally, are more familiar with M+KB than you are with a controller. Just because something is true for you does not make it a fact that applies to everyone.

Were this a game like CS:GO or R6:S, where split-second pixel perfection matters, then yeah I would 100% agree that a mouse has a marked advantage over a thumbstick... But Sea of Thieves isn't anything like those games. Nor was it ever intended to be.

The only other thing I'll give you, is that the default settings for controller are garbage. Namely the camera sensitivity. I guarantee that if Rare turned the default up to about 70 or 80, then most of these "PC has an advantage" cries from console players would vanish.

Aside from that, No, there is NO ADVANTAGE to using M+KB in Sea of Thieves. Aiming speed is reduced on all the guns, not just the eye of reach. The arc on the cutlass is wide enough to hit things that aren't even on your screen. The hitboxes are larger than the majority of the player models.

Yes, cheaters DO have an advantage. That's why they're called cheaters. That advantage does not apply to the whole of the PC community simply because they have the option to cheat.
Not everything that you suspect is cheating is cheating. Some people understand the complex physics behind arcing a cannonball from a moving target to a moving target, and have the mental capacity to process that information on the fly. Just like some people have the mental capacity to calculate the odds of winning any given hand of poker, or to memorize information like credit card info at a glance. Just because someone can do something that you can't doesn't make them a cheater, and it doesn't make you incompetent.

Your attitude is downright toxic. Your argument is nothing but personal anecdotes, smug superiority, and condescending insults. It's hollow, weightless, and there is no value whatsoever in reading it. I highly suggest you take some time away from the forums (and social media in general) to focus on self-improvement.

Honestly, it's pointless arguing with the people that have made up their minds that pc has an enormous godlike advantage over the console playerbase. This game isn't counterstrike, or even overwatch. Hopefully Rare stays true to their crossplay vision, and even if they think about changing it I hope MS doesn't allow it.

@captain-surgee said in [ENG]/[ESP] Play Anywhere/Cross Play needs an On/Off Mode:

@porkin5 said in [ENG]/[ESP] Play Anywhere/Cross Play needs an On/Off Mode:

@captain-surgee said in [ENG]/[ESP] Play Anywhere/Cross Play needs an On/Off Mode:

@porkin5
Load of BS. Stats are not only old but are about killing skeletons, not PVP. The advantage is massive. Want me to record me playing on my gaming pc and thrn conssole? Will that proof satisfy you?

Stats are based upon those that played the alphas and betas. The age of the data is irrelevant as it's still very much valid when taking into account the tests weren't that long ago. Using skeletons also makes no difference as accuracy rates, average survival time and player performance is still taken into account.

The stats speak for themselves. The difference is negligible for anybody that knows how to play the game well. I've killed and been killed by both Xbox and PC players and I can never tell the difference.

Bad players are all too quick to blame the cross platform feature when in actuality they just need more practise.

Are you for real? Aiming at skeletons makes a HUGE difference. In a PVP situation, you have no time to stand there and aim carefully at your enemy for 5 seconds like vs skeletons. Players aren't standing still especially PC ones (bunny hopping all the time). If you believe console and PC have equal chances in combat (not only aiming but situational awareness and movement) you must be on some serious drugs. Did you even try it?I did. I have a gaming PC, Xbox One and Xbox One X and can prove it anytime. This is not a matter of opinions, these are FACTS. Are you even on a console Mr Porkin?

You're right on the comparison inaccuracy.

Firstly, some PC players are adding different types of customisation to their controls, for example on the fly mouse sensitivity changes. Many more people have bought the game than played the beta. This means more PVP focused players.

From my experiences as a solo player joining other galleons, there are many more operating as PVP crews than there were in the beta.

Imo, the beta stats are therefore not a representation of what is going on in the released game.

All that said, I would not favour separate servers. I think the game needs more players and trying to mitigate frustrations is a better option.
I believe SOT is PVE more than PVP, and so more content would encourage more PVE opportunities.
I think many will start to leave as new PVP games grab their attention. But PVP still makes the game really fun and interesting.

I genuinely believe that if you don't see the imbalance, you're playing on PC with mouse/keyboard. You haven't had to experience being so completely out matched as one person can kill 4 others with Counter Strike like ability.

The issue isn't centred around naval combat, it based on player to player movement and aiming. A PC player just has so much more freedom and versatility when it comes to close quarters combat that a player with a controller can't match. Rare needs to consider some form of rebalancing because it's making plenty of players (me included) wonder if it's worth playing.

Yes, I knew what I was buying into, I was on the betas, but it wasn't like this until the current volume of PC players turned up.

Megathread here https://www.seaofthieves.com/forum/topic/36482/mega-thread-play-anywhere-cross-play-and-balancing-part-2/2

PC - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwFk7KJsU54

XBOX - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8D0qc7OqrQo

Put player 'skill' aside. Just look... nothing else, JUST look at the interface input control differencees between controller and KBM.

I'm a PC gamer – have been forever, nobody can intelligently argue that controllers are as fast or responsive as a mouse - l**o

@racmop

I really don't want it but I can completely understand why it's a legitimate request.
For the good of the game, you may be right.

@sr-xxkamikazexx said in [ENG]/[ESP] Play Anywhere/Cross Play needs an On/Off Mode:

@nebenkuh it is. But then why i buy a console and not a PC?..Its very contradictory.

The same reason I own the valve controller on my PC. Some games feel better on a controller and some on Keyboard and mouse.

Taking that into consideration does that then mean PC gamers using a controller should be able to go on the same server as the Xbox users? Unless of course the Xbox user plugs in a keyboard and mouse and then they get forced to go on the keyboard and mouse server?

I don't personally understand the argument, especially after years of hearing consoles gamers claim that Pc's are far inferior and consoles are the best at everything.

Realistically rare would have tested this and it's highly unlikely there is that much of a difference. If it means that much to you just invest in a keyboard and mouse. And claiming that you should have just bought a pc if you wanted a keyboard and mouse then you might as well have when you got a console with a hard drive, an operating system, internet browsing and other non-console features.

All that aside however, i think Rare should let people adjust the controller sensitivity. Of course if you were on the PC and had a steam controller like me you could do that anyway but hey ho... PC m*********e eh?

@somezer0 said in [ENG]/[ESP] Play Anywhere/Cross Play needs an On/Off Mode:

That's bull s**t this is not some twitch based shooter, you have 5 bullets. 10 if you run 2 guns and no sword.

90% of this game is positioning and tactics. You are letting one thing color your entire experience negative.

Let's look at shooting while in the water. The extra speed to turn and move means PC players have a significant edge over console players.

Many PVP battles are won by who can stay alive when boarding and either gunpowder a boat or keep the attacking pressure up. PC players turning more quickly in the water can really dominate this element of the game and their accuracy is much improved. Especially as they can switch through their weapons/items much more quickly.

If 90% of the game is about positioning and tactics and being on a console means you're slower to get into the right position in order to enact the right tactic, then surely that's a huge problem?

@rainbowspace770 said in [ENG]/[ESP] Play Anywhere/Cross Play needs an On/Off Mode:

@sr-xxkamikazexx said in [ENG]/[ESP] Play Anywhere/Cross Play needs an On/Off Mode:

@nebenkuh it is. But then why i buy a console and not a PC?..Its very contradictory.

The same reason I own the valve controller on my PC. Some games feel better on a controller and some on Keyboard and mouse.

Taking that into consideration does that then mean PC gamers using a controller should be able to go on the same server as the Xbox users? Unless of course the Xbox user plugs in a keyboard and mouse and then they get forced to go on the keyboard and mouse server?

I don't personally understand the argument, especially after years of hearing consoles gamers claim that Pc's are far inferior and consoles are the best at everything.

Realistically rare would have tested this and it's highly unlikely there is that much of a difference. If it means that much to you just invest in a keyboard and mouse. And claiming that you should have just bought a pc if you wanted a keyboard and mouse then you might as well have when you got a console with a hard drive, an operating system, internet browsing and other non-console features.

All that aside however, i think Rare should let people adjust the controller sensitivity. Of course if you were on the PC and had a steam controller like me you could do that anyway but hey ho... PC m*********e eh?

If you want to join those sorts who offer polarized opinion without considering any facts then be my guest. Though imo it's not helpful.

As a PC player who has come to console I am not willing to ignore the reality that PVP combat used to be much easier and more fluid for me with a KB+M.
Plus to pick up your point about Rare, I'm not so sure they tested with great players or clans (which is what much of the PVP lends itself to), use software to, for example, change sensitivity on the fly or overlay accuracy mapping for cannons, or even do thorough PVP tests on the tiny but imperative details like being in water or switching weapons.....they didn't even test the spawn points properly!

Cool you have a Steam controller....the Steam Machine was actually the reason I stopped my system building habit.