Take a page from Square Enix - Rebuild

@personalc0ffee said in Take a page from Square Enix - Rebuild:

Not even a similar situation nor similar games.

Right - May not be same genre, or vision, however, bad reviews are bad reviews. Its ok you choose to defend SoT in its present state; it has some things very right.

@personalc0ffee said in Take a page from Square Enix - Rebuild:

@eliza-raine Reviews aren't bad, they are mediocre. SoT is not a bad game.

So mediocre that 40% of this forum is upset with its present state of affairs.

@augunslingin said in Take a page from Square Enix - Rebuild:

@Eliza-Raine I understand your point. The game isn’t bad but does lack content. However, the ship will sink without a lot more to come soon. In the video game world, the window of opportunity is short.

I agree, it has its fun value - but that value for a lot has now manifested into something else.

@personalc0ffee said in Take a page from Square Enix - Rebuild:

@augunslingin No, the majority are silent and are enjoying the game for what it is currently. Pretty sure we all agree we want more content.

I highly suggest you change your tone.

DLC hasn't even been mentioned and it is my understanding that the content drop in 3 months, is not a DLC.

Keep political affiliation off of this forum and out of this conversation, it has no place here.

Your like a one upper. You only want to hear your 'tone' and not allow others to voice theirs. Grab a mirror and keep practicing boss. And while I admire your optimism for a 3 month window, you could be sailing the seas alone. Nothing political about my comments. Just a point of view.

@personalc0ffee said in Take a page from Square Enix - Rebuild:

Not even a similar situation nor similar games.

I agree with the OP, It is very similar, and hopefully we can have a similar outcome in that the game rebuilds and flourishes.

@PersonalC0ffee
No code is being violated here. There is no 'tone'

@eliza-raine said in Take a page from Square Enix - Rebuild:

I look at Rare Ltd home page - and read what they value (link) - not sure a lot of the community feels that LOVE.

The only thing big companies like this value is our money. Tis the only reason they exist, to make money. and their advertising departments will do whatever they can (literally) to deceive you into giving them your money. if companies put half the advertising resources into the quality control of their product this wouldn't be happening(as much).

@personalc0ffee Wait, what? Hold on, 60 hours to put into it before reviewing it? Are you mad? The game doesn't have enough content to do 60 hours worth unless you basically submit yourself to tedious grinds, lackluster pvp or silly antics with your friends. The fact you said 60 hours is needed to make a judgement about the game, with the entirety that the game offers outside of what you CAN do not what the game offers you to do is asinine at best.

@personalc0ffee said in Take a page from Square Enix - Rebuild:

@augunslingin No, the majority are silent and are enjoying the game for what it is currently. Pretty sure we all agree we want more content.

If the majority are silent, how do you know they are all enjoying the game? You don't, and making that sort of assertion to justify your position is bad form at best.

Based on the reviews I've read, consumers are fairly mixed, with professional reviewer having a slightly more positive take. Almost universally though, the rating given by those not giving glowing praise is bolstered by the graphics & sea design. Removing that element from the equation would significantly lower the aggregate score.

People can enjoy SoT; I'm certain many do. But to say that the majority are enjoying it or that the general consensus is that it is a good game is disingenuous.

What backlash? They made something completely different and delivered exactly what they promised. There are a few legitimate concerns, but overall the game is awesome the way it is. I wouldn't call the whiners who are mad because it isn't more like every other game in the AAA pile backlash.

@eliza-raine I think you’re overestimating this “backlash” . The reason rare is getting “backlash” is because they were ballsy enough to release a niche game to a mainstream audience .

They made a casual game and wrapped it In hardcore elements (pvp everywhere , [mod removed] , etc etc), which unfortunately appealed to a massive audience ... Half of this audience is not meant for this type of game , and should most likely go back to their typical cods , assassin creeds , and far cry type games- as those are “safe” multiplayer games in which they can be happy spending 60$ (plus season passes for “extra” content) for less than 60 hours of gameplay until they get bored and have to buy the next title in the series .

Be grateful for games like these. Obviously we won’t let rare get away with releasing the game with the bugs and Imbalances and lack of content .. we will keep d*****g them until we get the content they have on their roadmap , but that doesn’t mean we have to cry wolf and jump on the “trending” bandwagon and attack a perfectly good game.

A rebuild for square enix must have been a brutal choice. I began when it first came out, and yes, it was unrefined. Later, when they actually took a second look at it, and remade it, it has made some decent money off me for years now.

A step back to the drawing board for Rare might be 'harsh' as those who do enjoy its present state might go through withdraw not being able to play, but in the long run, gives them ample opportunity to refine it, rework some of the systems in place, and flesh it out more. As I posted previously, I could support a move like that from Rare with praise.

Completely disagree. This game is exactly what Rare said it would be at launch.

@eliza-raine said in Take a page from Square Enix - Rebuild:

FFXIV - was released way to early as well, with a total lack of content / server issues / clunky controls and faced similar backlash from its community. While its graphics and music were praised, that was about all that was a positive. Later, the development team was replaced and a few years later, came about FFXIV:ARR, which is now a decent success for Square Enix, and is strong community wise.

Rare it seems is facing similar backlash and while adding in more rushed content might be a temporary band-aid, the bad taste is left in a lot of the player base. Personally, I wouldn't see this as a defeat for Rare to concider this position, chalking this up as a learning curve, and taking a higher ground to fix a product that amuses some of the player base, the majority has spoken of what the issues are and are 'broken'.
I look at Rare Ltd home page - and read what they value (link) - not sure a lot of the community feels that LOVE.

End of the day, it is what it is.

Did you play FFXIV 1.0?

While Sea of Thieves could have a bit more content and stuff to do, the game isn't broken.

FFXIV 1.0 was broken, it was released in alpha state, had very little content and the game engine had some fundamental design problems that couldn't be fixed.

They fixed what they could and by the last patch I liked the game, still had problems but it was different than most MMOs.

FFXIV:ARR is just a WoW clone, a good clone but nothing like what FFXIV 1.0 was going to be.

I like what Sea of Thieves is and fully support the vision Rare has for the game.

If you don't, perhaps it's just time to admit that this isn't a game for you.

@personalc0ffee Given that were true (and neither my university psych courses nor the studies I can find at a moments notice point to it being so) it does not justify the assertion that the silent majority are all enjoying the game.

The more apt conclusion is that people with heavy investment in a subject (emotional or otherwise) are more likely to voice their opinion. This corresponds with the idea that forum users represent a minority of actual players. What we ought assume is that, with some deviation, the ratio of forum users holding positive/negative opinions is fairly representative of players in general.

@frosenborg
Yep, I played 1.0 - and yes it was broken in its own ways.
I agree, SoT needs to be fleshed out, and does not share the exact same issues to the 'T' as FFXIV, one could say their are indeed 'broken' mechanics within.

I am happy you support the game as it is, it works for you, perfect. I am no stranger to grinding, and I am plodding along just fine. That being said, one cannot ignore the echoing threads of dismay. I take it you would be upset if a rebuild were to happen as you see no flaws. My point of view is mine alone - and once again, I see nothing wrong with perhaps a step back to take 3 steps forward.

@personalc0ffee said in Take a page from Square Enix - Rebuild:

@augunslingin No, the majority are silent and are enjoying the game for what it is currently. Pretty sure we all agree we want more content.

I highly suggest you change your tone.

DLC hasn't even been mentioned and it is my understanding that the content drop in 3 months, is not a DLC.

Keep political affiliation off of this forum and out of this conversation, it has no place here.

Forums are never the majority of the players, most will just leave without ever looking at the forum.

But the forums are a great window into problems of the games in question. And SoT is in a very bad spot right now.

Started out playing it with 4-5 friends. We all stopped playing already.